Your trying to compare a 250K dragster to a Mustang with 20K in mods. People are all butt hurt that they spent 10X as much and the 50K mustang might be 75% as fast for 1/5 the cost.
This is a no brainer really, consoles run highly optimized code with little or no overhead, cause unlike Windows they won't have much to worry about other than running games optimally not to mention the specific games will actually better utilize the platform(PS4/Xbox) a couple of years down the road. This is analogous to one going from point A to B with a train on a dedicated track instead of taking the long(er) road on a veyron !
Yeah but that's not really the point, as of today(or when the consoles actually launch) the gaming experience on a console will be much better than most high end PC configs till the time there is virtually no room for code optimization left on the PS4/Xbox. The PC's can still brute force their way to higher resolutions & more visual effects but its literally "throw the kitchen sink at it" approach & highly inefficient !Yeah but the Veyron can be upgraded over time so that several years down the road it's actually a F16. In some ways time stands still in console-hardware-land (CPU, GPU, memory).
Call me when AMD will do something original. Or they will start putting CPU into GPU, like got interest in ARM when Nvidia said that ARM is the future?
Not so late. Consoles death may come sooner:
Unified memory.... from future nvidia products.... where have I heard that before?Like Logan, it's clear that Parker will be benefitting from being based on a recent NVIDIA dGPU. While we don't know a great deal about Maxwell since it doesn't launch for roughly another year, NVIDIA has told us that Maxwell will support unified virtual memory.
With Logan NVIDIA gains CUDA capabilities due to Kepler, but with Parker they are laying down the groundwork for full-on heterogeneous computing in a vein similar to what AMD and the ARM partners are doing with HSA.
So nvidia is going to gamble on heterogeneous computing as well, just like AMD is, and their trying to come up with a counter to HSA.NVIDIA has so far not talked about heterogeneous computing in great detail since they only provide GPUs and limited functionality SoCs, but with Denver giving them an in-house CPU to pair with their in-house GPUs, products like Parker will be giving them new options to explore. And perhaps more meaningfully, the means to counter HSA-enabled ARM SoCs from rival firms.
AMD was an early proponent of DDR DRAM technology. To enable DDR DRAM, AMD worked with SMART Modular and the DRAM industry to develop the first validation program for DDR memory.
The technology demonstration was done in conjunction with the leading memory manufacturers that plan to produce DDR memory this year,.....
x86-64 (also known as x64) is a 64-bit extension of IA-32, the 32-bit generation of the x86 instruction set. It supports vastly larger amounts of virtual memory and physical memory than is possible on IA-32, allowing programs to store larger amounts of data in memory. x86-64 also provides 64-bit general purpose registers and numerous other enhancements. The original specification was created by AMD, and has been implemented by AMD, Intel, VIA, and others.
I just hope it makes a quiet htpc/nas that happens to run console games.
Note that nvidia who are orginal thinkers, dont have a "ready" counter to HSA.
They've not mentioned anything to anyone.
You'd think if they had this brilliant counter move, they would have talked about it forever right?
Kinda Like AMD has been with its HSA.
Indeed.nVidia is talking a lot about it. They even talked about their Echelon project which is their architecture to get to the Exascale Supercomputers.
What I mean is...Indeed.
It's strange that people still claim not to have any information on nvidias future, nvidia has been quite straight forward and there has whitepapers and presentations on subject.
x2. all ps4 will ever be is a nice HTPC that can game.
pc has always been better, and will continue to be better. that does not go without saying. pc is alot more expensive.
if what you want is "maximum" eye candy - there is only one way - that is pc.
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hoping ps4 can delivery "high setting" gaming quality @ 1080p.
Yeah but that's not really the point, as of today(or when the consoles actually launch) the gaming experience on a console will be much better than most high end PC configs till the time there is virtually no room for code optimization left on the PS4/Xbox. The PC's can still brute force their way to higher resolutions & more visual effects but its literally "throw the kitchen sink at it" approach & highly inefficient !
Let's see if games(good ones) with eight threads make that Sandy Bridge crawl or not btw how does it run crysis 3, honest question ?Nope. At no point in it's life will a ps4 give better graphics than a high end PC. Even vs something like mine (2600k, 7950). Optimizing a turd will not make it a Lamborghini. It will just make for a prettier turd. It's low end hardware. AMD makes horrible CPUs and they threw in a low end graphics card for good measure. There is no fairy dust optimization that will make it better than todays higher end PCs.
Was this 2yrs back or something like 5, now compare it to the launch date for PS3 which should put things in perspective here !I bought a ps3 a few years ago as I was told it would look pretty close to the PC experience. I almost puked literally when I fired up sf4. Dull colors, jagged lines, low resolution, low framerates, etc.. Used it for a bluray player for a few months then sold it on Ebay. Garbage IMO.
Nope. At no point in it's life will a ps4 give better graphics than a high end PC. Even vs something like mine (2600k, 7950). Optimizing a turd will not make it a Lamborghini. It will just make for a prettier turd. It's low end hardware. AMD makes horrible CPUs and they threw in a low end graphics card for good measure. There is no fairy dust optimization that will make it better than todays higher end PCs.
I bought a ps3 a few years ago as I was told it would look pretty close to the PC experience. I almost puked literally when I fired up sf4. Dull colors, jagged lines, low resolution, low framerates, etc.. Used it for a bluray player for a few months then sold it on Ebay. Garbage IMO.
Undoubtedly console markets are larger segments than the PC market.
Yeah it seems alot of gamers don't trust AMD on this, I mean seriously WTH, but surely 1080p is viable on a console ! You may not get tressfx & all that extra hair but with decent optimization one should be able to get 1080p @ 60fps !woha...people still think that PS4 can't hande 1080p ?
why? the gpu can, the bandwidth allow...the cpu is irrelevant
....bang, we have 1080p @ 30 fps.... easily
the big question is... higher resolutions and higher fps
i really doubt that PS4 can handle 1600p @30 FPS... forget 4K, no gpu can run that, without stacked memory
1080p @ 60 fps... THIS is the question to be answered
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programming languages, developer tool suites, SDKs, Libraries, Simulators, Compilers, debuggers,publications,... ect (talking out my arse here, no first hand experiance)
BUT....
What have you really heard about Project Denver? other than marketing speak?
Vague promises of better performance/watt in the future from it?
There should be lots of software coded for it, and its gonna be out before nvidia's solution.
Not like how CUDA was out first, so it gained market share first.
Now you're just being greedy, not everyone has 3D or 120Hz TV & forget about 4K or even 1600p cause they'll probably kill the processor inside !1080p at 60hz is old news. At 1080 I want 120hz. If I'm stuck at 60hz give me 1600p or 4k.
Like I said ps4 is outdated junk the day of it's release.
PS4 Thief capped at 30fps, producer suggests - 60fps 'not a necessity'
The next-gen console versions of Thief will likely be capped at 30 frames per second, Eidos Montreal producer Stephane Roy has suggested, telling VideoGamer.com that he would "prefer to have better physics" in PS4 Thief than a smoother "60 frames per second frame rate".
"For a shooter it's a no-brainer. The higher the frame rate is, the better it is." Roy told us, when asked if his team would be striving to achieve a high frame rate on next-gen consoles.
"On my side, the type of game I'm going to work on... I don't want to put extra pressure on the team just because we can do it if it's not a necessity. If the players see nothing different, maybe I would prefer to have better physics and stuff like that and not this 60 frames per second frame rate."
Roy's comments reflect those made by id programmer John Carmack last year, who predicted that "a lot of next gen games will still target 30 fps".
Other PS4 games, including Guerrilla's first-person shooter Killzone: Shadow Fall, also appear to be targeting 30fps.
However, there is at least one developer who is pushing to achieve a higher frame rate on next-generation consoles than it managed on Xbox 360 and PS3.
Back in September, F1 producer Steve Hood told VideoGamer.com that his team would "absolutely" target a 60fps frame rate on next-gen consoles.
Besides potential differences in frame-rate, though, Roy told VideoGamer.com that the next-gen versions of Thief would look "really, really close" to the PC version.
Thief launches on PC, PlayStation 4 and "other next-generation consoles" next year.
That's an Intel marketing slide, hardly an unbiased analysis.
How are they classifying gaming PCs?
Then add bluray, decoder software, OS, wifi adapter, 7.1,Bluetooth, a wireless controller, and up the drive to 500 GB or so. Then have it arrived built in a tiny form factor that average joe can plug and play. One year of support and free diagnostics. It's gotta be relatively quiet and pull no more than 200 watts. Build it for 500$ and Ill order 2 tonight.