Right, but you are only considering GPU <--> VRAM. If you consider also GPU <--> RAM, then the overall bandwidth is superior on the PS4.
Yea... we should speculate about the GTX580 or HD5970!
On topic:
Consoles are for the masses - for average Joe. It needs average performance of tomorrow, which is not equal "better than SLI titan rig". Of course "PC" will be better than PS4.
PCs are flexible, there are ways to outpower a console, by trowing money at your computer. You can always build 3xTitan or 2xi7. But one sane person should ask himself: "For what cost?"
Overthetop consoles (360/ps3) failed. Developing const was so high that the lifespan of a console had to be so long... They came up with innovating GPU in 360 which was than imported to desktop market. Which ended badly for consoles due to higher (no?) power draw limitations in PC hardware.
yeah and they should be out not long after the PS4 launches. I think all the PS4 is going to do is match current pc games and settings if lucky. by the time they can squeeze all the potential out of the PS4, it will be so far behind that we will look back and laugh at this thread. again I think phones and tablets will catch up to the the PS4 cpu about half way through its cycle.These new 20nm AMD cards should obliterate ps4
yeah and they should be out not long after the PS4 launches. I think all the PS4 is going to do is match current pc games and settings if lucky. by the time they can squeeze all the potential out of the PS4, it will be so far behind that we will look back and laugh at this thread. again I think phones and tablets will catch up to the the PS4 cpu about half way through its cycle.
nothing they can do as no matter what they go with it will be static while the rest of the world makes progress. and as already mentioned they are actually starting off even farther behind then the last gen consoles. a console it what it is and its laughable to see some people thinking its some magical machine from the future that will blow computers away for years to come. like many people, I will only buy it for the exclusive games. I will also wait until they have slim version just like I did for the PS3 and 360.What could they have done differently though to prevent this? Maybe if they had a time machine and shot ten years into the future and brought tech back with them? You know whaqt they say about trying to future proof anything. :\
Hopefully it'll allow for real improvements in fidelity. Finally, DX11 games instead of Dx9 games that are patched up for PC. Hopefully no more performance killing features with little or no improvements to visuals or physics just so users can't "max out the game" on current hardware, so they'll buy something new.
I'm excited about there finally being a new generation of consoles. That will do more to advance gaming than anything on the PC can. Also pretty impressed by the level of performance from an APU.
Hopefully no more performance killing features with little or no improvements to visuals or physics just so users can't "max out the game" on current hardware, so they'll buy something new.
Let's get real. They need you to keep buying stuff every couple years. So no, none of that is going to change.
No. Definitively it is superior from a hardware point of view. As stated before Sony had an asynchronous compute vision for the next gen games and they found that such games could not be delivered using a traditional PC architecture due to its bottlenecks and limitations. Then they designed what they call supercharged PC architecture.
Right, but you are only considering GPU <--> VRAM. If you consider also GPU <--> RAM, then the overall bandwidth is superior on the PS4.
Like I said above, going from DDR3-1333 to DDR3-2133 makes almost no difference in gaming even though the actual transfer rate is 70% higher.
From what I've read, the CPU/GPU can directly share data, even bypassing the CPU cache. This is something a standard PC has no hope of competing with obviously. I'm sure there are other tricks the PS4's APU has up its sleeve that we don't know about as well.Shorten the distance traveled and make the means to get onto the road more efficient. FWIU, this is what the PS4 does.
I hate to support a certain poster, but:Like I said above, going from DDR3-1333 to DDR3-2133 makes almost no difference in gaming even though the actual transfer rate is 70% higher.
I hate to support a certain poster, but:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2106/6/
When the GPU is sharing that same DDR3, yes, it will make a difference. The CPU doesn't need more bandwidth, but the GPU can utilize it.
How often does this happen? The GPU using DDR3, I mean.
In the majority of PCs sold, and the vast majority of them at anywhere even close to console price levels. In gaming PCs? Rarely.How often does this happen? The GPU using DDR3, I mean.
I hate to support a certain poster, but:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2106/6/
When the GPU is sharing that same DDR3, yes, it will make a difference. The CPU doesn't need more bandwidth, but the GPU can utilize it.
They seem to be suggesting that there's a problem with the CPU having less bandwidth. The fact of the matter is that there isn't a problem unless you're encoding or using an APU. We're talking about gaming and discrete cards, so it doesn't matter.
nothing they can do as no matter what they go with it will be static while the rest of the world makes progress. and as already mentioned they are actually starting off even farther behind then the last gen consoles.
a console it what it is and its laughable to see some people thinking its some magical machine from the future that will blow computers away for years to come.
how the hell did it outperform them for years? it ran most games at 30 fps and sub 720 and even then did not always deliver smooth performance.When the PS3 was released it was behind PCs in GFLOP, but outperformed them for years.
See above.
When the PS3 was released it was behind PCs in GFLOP, but outperformed them for years.
Yet again, you simply retreat back to the Fortress of Parroted Points. I am talking specifically about how that article immediately latched onto a sensationalist point that CPU memory bandwidth is too low in modern gaming PCs, and that is simply not the fact. It simply flat out says that in the PS4, the CPU gets the faster stuff.
Since you like to talk about GPGPU a lot, here are some questions:
Even though the PS4 may be faster at accessing CPU-generated memory, is it actually faster at performing the computations?
Will the hUMA do much more than make GPGPU easier to code for? (i.e. avoiding trying to bounce between the CPU and GPU for different tasks.)
On current AMD and Intel APUs the CPU and GPU have separate memory blocks. So for the GPU to do some processing it requires the appropriate data to be copied from the CPU memory to the GPU memory, and back again once the processing is finished. This creates a severe bottleneck in performance and greatly increases complexity for programmers.
By unifying the two blocks of memory and allowing the CPU and GPU to directly access the same data the performance overhead of copying all the data is eliminated and programming complexity is greatly reduced.
Does the PS4 actually have hUMA?
The latter one is really based off the fact that no one has ever flat out stated that the PS4 uses AMD's newly-announced hUMA. I recall there being some Sony guy that stated that the PS4 would have unified memory, but that's about it. It would make sense for the PS4 to have hUMA, and I would probably bet that it does, but are we really 100% solid?
Like I said above, going from DDR3-1333 to DDR3-2133 makes almost no difference in gaming even though the actual transfer rate is 70% higher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR3
Keep in mind that most modern PCs use dual channel DDR, which means the numbers are doubled as those are per channel.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3/6
I haven't noticed AMD promoting performance gains with their marketing, what I've been seeing has been more ease of coding stuff. Perhaps I'm just not looking hard enough, but the only place I'm aware of where big performance gains are possible has been in the forums.