How the US Foreign Policy is Spreading WMDs

[Infohawk]

Take Iraq and take North Korea. North Korea is the bigger threat to the US and to its neighbors. Iraq, after a decade of sanctions, was powerless. Who did the US attack? Iraq. Why didn't the US attack North Korea. Because they might have sent a nuke somewhere. We never started wars with the Soviet Union or China. Why? They had WMDs.

If you are a rational non-nuke country who is being targetted by the US, say Iran, what is your only way to ensure your survival? What is your only way to protect yourself from a hyper-aggressive US? Develop WMDs. This is part of the reason that Iran is attempting to get WMDs right now and why North Korea isn't backing down.

The lesson you learn from US foreign policy is that if you are weak you will be mercilessly attacked by the US (see long list of weak countries meddled with or straight up attacked by the US) even if it is wrong. If you have nukes, you run less risk of being attacked. Hence, US foreign policy is promoting the spread of WMDs.

 

[conjur]

Deterrents work. Makes one wonder if Bush really thought Iraq had WMDs. Why invade a country with the risk of WMDs being used against our troops or that country's neighbors?

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: conjur
Deterrents work. Makes one wonder if Bush really thought Iraq had WMDs. Why invade a country with the risk of WMDs being used against our troops or that country's neighbors?

Bush, along with the UN and every other western intel agency firmly believed Saddam still had WMD. Unless of course you have anything that shows they publicly stated otherwise. Maybe he invaded because he felt Saddam was a legitimate threat to the US, hhhmmmm, why would he think that....

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: conjur
Deterrents work. Makes one wonder if Bush really thought Iraq had WMDs. Why invade a country with the risk of WMDs being used against our troops or that country's neighbors?

Bush, along with the UN and every other western intel agency firmly believed Saddam still had WMD. Unless of course you have anything that shows they publicly stated otherwise. Maybe he invaded because he felt Saddam was a legitimate threat to the US, hhhmmmm, why would he think that....

Wow...the Kool-Aid is strong in this one! The only people that firmly believed Saddam had WMDs were the Bush administration and the PNAC neocons in the OSP. Even then, though, I'm sure Feith knew the truth but just managed to scrub the doubts from the reports before submitting them to the administration.

 

[ElFenix]

we wouldn't invade NK even if they didn't have WMDs.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: conjur
Deterrents work. Makes one wonder if Bush really thought Iraq had WMDs. Why invade a country with the risk of WMDs being used against our troops or that country's neighbors?

Bush, along with the UN and every other western intel agency firmly believed Saddam still had WMD. Unless of course you have anything that shows they publicly stated otherwise. Maybe he invaded because he felt Saddam was a legitimate threat to the US, hhhmmmm, why would he think that....

Wow...the Kool-Aid is strong in this one! The only people that firmly believed Saddam had WMDs were the Bush administration and the PNAC neocons in the OSP. Even then, though, I'm sure Feith knew the truth but just managed to scrub the doubts from the reports before submitting them to the administration.

Fine, give me ONE link that shows ANY western intel agency or Govt. officialy stated they believed Saddam had fully complied and no longer had ANY WMD capabilities.....

 

[Alistar7]

That should be easy, after all "The only people that firmly believed Saddam had WMDs were the Bush administration and the PNAC neocons in the OSP."

just state the country and I'll check myself.....

 

[Czar]

Alistar7,
alot of people belived he had wmds, but very few considered it a fact that he had them. Wishful thinking does not make it true.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: conjur
Deterrents work. Makes one wonder if Bush really thought Iraq had WMDs. Why invade a country with the risk of WMDs being used against our troops or that country's neighbors?

Bush, along with the UN and every other western intel agency firmly believed Saddam still had WMD. Unless of course you have anything that shows they publicly stated otherwise. Maybe he invaded because he felt Saddam was a legitimate threat to the US, hhhmmmm, why would he think that....

Wow...the Kool-Aid is strong in this one! The only people that firmly believed Saddam had WMDs were the Bush administration and the PNAC neocons in the OSP. Even then, though, I'm sure Feith knew the truth but just managed to scrub the doubts from the reports before submitting them to the administration.

Fine, give me ONE link that shows ANY western intel agency or Govt. officialy stated they believed Saddam had fully complied and no longer had ANY WMD capabilities.....

Sorry, doesn't work like that. *You* made the claim. *You* need to provide the proof that "Bush, along with the UN and every other western intel agency firmly believed Saddam still had WMD."

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: conjur
Deterrents work. Makes one wonder if Bush really thought Iraq had WMDs. Why invade a country with the risk of WMDs being used against our troops or that country's neighbors?

Bush, along with the UN and every other western intel agency firmly believed Saddam still had WMD. Unless of course you have anything that shows they publicly stated otherwise. Maybe he invaded because he felt Saddam was a legitimate threat to the US, hhhmmmm, why would he think that....

Wow...the Kool-Aid is strong in this one! The only people that firmly believed Saddam had WMDs were the Bush administration and the PNAC neocons in the OSP. Even then, though, I'm sure Feith knew the truth but just managed to scrub the doubts from the reports before submitting them to the administration.

Fine, give me ONE link that shows ANY western intel agency or Govt. officialy stated they believed Saddam had fully complied and no longer had ANY WMD capabilities.....

Sorry, doesn't work like that. *You* made the claim. *You* need to provide the proof that "Bush, along with the UN and every other western intel agency firmly believed Saddam still had WMD."

Sorry, you made the claim that Bush was the ONLY one who thought that, I asked for ANYONE of the others, who you claim to be EVERYONE. Funny you cant even come up with ONE.

 

[Alistar7]

Lets see the UN apparently thought he still had not fully complied, since the sanctions were still in effect.

 

[conjur]

Ah, Alistar7 is back to his old tricks. Did you train CsG in the art of diversion? I do remember your old tactics of browbeating people with repeated questions when it was you that needed to provide answers.

Go on avoiding proving your claims. I'm done with you.


*plonk*

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Czar
Alistar7,
alot of people belived he had wmds, but very few considered it a fact that he had them. Wishful thinking does not make it true.

Never said it did, I only pointed out Conjur was horribly wrong when he stated "The only people that firmly believed Saddam had WMDs were the Bush administration and the PNAC neocons in the OSP."

Thank you for agreeing Czar.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: conjur
Ah, Alistar7 is back to his old tricks. Did you train CsG in the art of diversion? I do remember your old tactics of browbeating people with repeated questions when it was you that needed to provide answers.

Go on avoiding proving your claims. I'm done with you.


*plonk*

Go ahead and run away when it is shown you are full of.....


You can't come up with ANYTHING to back up your claim of "The only people that firmly believed Saddam had WMDs were the Bush administration and the PNAC neocons in the OSP."


I gave you one that proved I was right on track, the fact that sanctions were still in effect, that proves the UN (quite a few countries represented there BTW) firmly believed he still had WMD capabilites.


Looks like that proves my claims, and completely discredits yours, unless you have some evidence that shows the UN lifted sanctions because they firmly believed Saddam had fully complied. When did the UN remove the sanctions against Iraq once they FIRMLY BELIEVED iraq had no WMD?

 

[Alistar7]

Conjur back to his old tricks, living in denial of facts in pursuit of his anti-Bush agenda, ignoring the proof he asked for right above his typical claim of it not being given, coming up empty on his claims, personally attacking the other person, and then running away.

 

[Alistar7]

Let me guess, you still cant find one country that was willing to publicly declare they were certain Saddam had no WMD? That's funny, you said ""The only people that firmly believed Saddam had WMDs were the Bush administration and the PNAC neocons in the OSP."


I guess that would include all of the members of the UN security council as well?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Ah, the brilliant successes of diplomacy and containment.

 

[Alistar7]

PUTIN LIED, BUSH IS WORSE THAN HITLER, ITS ALL A VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY, lol.....

 

[Alistar7]

What about France, surely they stood up and said for all to hear "We firmly believe Iraq has no WMD capabilities" No?

 

[b0mbrman]

"The only way we won't attack you is if you have WMDs"

Who said that?

 

[CaptnKirk]

What the hell is this therad ?

All Alistar-7 - all the time ?

Wasting bandwith, as usual.

 

[Genx87]

Sorry, doesn't work like that. *You* made the claim. *You* need to provide the proof that "Bush, along with the UN and every other western intel agency firmly believed Saddam still had WMD."

You made the claim, back it up.

Even the 9-11 commision will disagree with you on this one.

UN didnt think he was WMD free. If they did they would have lifted the sanctions. Sounds to me like this is a bogus claim by you.

 

[RobCur]

Every country is a threat to the united states, so we bomb them into poverty then use them as cheap slave labors who need food to survive. this is the very same reason why the chinese are working for big corp. in exchange for peace and low standard of living while most of the americans here have no job and are becoming homeless.

foreign policy = surrender and become our slaves or we bomb the hell out of you. WW1,WW2,Korean War, cambodian/vietnam war, cold war was all started by USA. They then put the blame on someone else, it's never their fault.
"give me life or give me death" and so most have died in the name of freedom when they are being oppressed by our ruthless leader who wants to rule the world, who are allied with israel and england.

I don't buy into all those crap what our media have fed us about terrorist, aids, anthrax, or nuclear from 3rd world for this very same reason. We have more to fear from our government then the rest of the world combined.

In society we believe what most believes and so my opinions mean nothing and not respected unless 100 million or more would back me up but even then they are powerless to stand up and try to take matters into their own hand. Most of us are afraid to die, even being chained together and work like a snail dog so long as their is food on the table is still ok. our fear of death in itself outweight our need to be free from any ruthless and unjustice authority.

instead of talking my arse off, I should be productive and mind my own business? The very same reason why most are clueless. oh what a classic, dumb me down to retardation if you like. It must be fun working hard everyday so I don't starve to death.

 

[bauerbrazil]

I wish my country had WMDs, maybe in near future this idiot Bush will claim that Amazonia belongs to the world and will invade Brazil to liberate amazonian people.

 

[RobCur]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
we wouldn't invade NK even if they didn't have WMDs.

tell me why cows are domesticated? anyone who can't defend themselves are going to be eaten alive...it's in the law of conservation, the strong shall rule over the weak, the weak shall die slowly and painfully. need I say more?

I won't even bother wasting more of my time reasoning with someone who think it's a good jolly world, we're a peace loving nation who loves war in the name of freedom, lmao. everytime we attack someone, it's all in the name of freedom! and they hate freedom, we love freedom, we are freedom fighter. we're liberator or more like we kick their butt so their pushed back into the stone age and become history.