How tiring must it be to be a Trump Supporter?

[Puffnstuff]

As a public service I would like to present this in an attempt to help people better understand our dear leader.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

This. Any state of cognitive dissonance is brushed away by shouting "fake news," making false equivalencies (usually against Obama or Hillary) or outright lying. You can see this in action with this forum's biggest dropkicks like @imported_tajmahal and @Doc Savage Fan. If all else fails, just pretend you didn't vote for Trump! (But continue defending him in every thread)

No pretending about it...I didn't vote for Trump. But don't let reality pop that little bubble of yours...as if such a thing were possible. Party on Garth!

 

[bshole]

You know them, i've certainly told you them often enough Jhnn.
Judges, EPA, his Cabinet appointments, Energy, NAFTA, immigration, trade. Make me a list and i'll check it for you.

Why would you support gutting the EPA? What possible benefit could accrue to you from a dirtier environment?

 

[Stokely]

Not tiring at all, if Trump supporters around me are any guide. They have their own bubbles of reality and much of what gets discussed here (and other similar forums and places) never enters it. They are all slaves to fear and my impression is that they perpetually believe their world is ending. Islam, illegals, Antifa, hippies, commies, the media....it's a never-ending boogeyman blame game that exempts them from ever considering that there might just be another side to the story. Most of them watch "news" or listen to radio all day so it's no wonder. Not to mention, a yearning for daddy authoritarian figure that can take complex, no-win situations and ball them up into soundbites like "I'll bring those jobs back, day one!!!". Throw in the persecution complex and they are happy as a clam being scared and miserable.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Why would you support gutting the EPA? What possible benefit could accrue to you from a dirtier environment?

It's not making a dirtier environment, it's stopping futile and expensive ultra-regulations from ruining business.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

No pretending about it...I didn't vote for Trump. But don't let reality pop that little bubble of yours...as if such a thing were possible. Party on Garth!

I voted in the general election for President Trump. What's more i'm a happy camper I did.

 

[Bowfinger]

Why would you support gutting the EPA? What possible benefit could accrue to you from a dirtier environment?

American pollution has little effect on Russian bots.

 

[evident]

Why would you support gutting the EPA? What possible benefit could accrue to you from a dirtier environment?

hurr durr mah gas cans will be great again!

 

[fskimospy]

I voted in the general election for President Trump. What's more i'm a happy camper I did.

This will be amusing to look back on in a few years when you will probably be pretending you never liked or voted for Trump.

As far as presidents go I can't think of one that has failed more completely than Trump has so far, especially when his party controls both houses of Congress. You know it's bad when people are reduced to citing him successfully appointing people as accomplishments when his own party controls the Senate. Hell, even his own party admits he's been a total failure so far.

 

[bshole]

It's not making a dirtier environment, it's stopping futile and expensive ultra-regulations from ruining business.

Of course not. Lets head back to the 70s and bask in the clean environment...

Trump also got a corporate shill into the Supreme Court. I wonder if the days of corporate liability for befouling the environment are coming to end. Where they can once again dump toxins directly into the waterways without regard to the humans/wildlife that live on those waterways

 

[bshole]

This will be amusing to look back on in a few years when you will probably be pretending you never liked or voted for Trump.

As far as presidents go I can't think of one that has failed more completely than Trump has so far, especially when his party controls both houses of Congress. You know it's bad when people are reduced to citing him successfully appointing people as accomplishments when his own party controls the Senate. Hell, even his own party admits he's been a total failure so far.

Dude, the man has gutted the EPA hasn't he? That is huge accomplishment in the minds of MANY conservatives (including my relatives and some of my coworkers).

 

[disappoint]

This will be amusing to look back on in a few years when you will probably be pretending you never liked or voted for Trump.

As far as presidents go I can't think of one that has failed more completely than Trump has so far, especially when his party controls both houses of Congress. You know it's bad when people are reduced to citing him successfully appointing people as accomplishments when his own party controls the Senate. Hell, even his own party admits he's been a total failure so far.

Wall St. seems to disagree with you as evidenced by the rally in the markets since Trump took office. Why do you suppose that is? You can't blame clueless rednecks on that one.

 

[fskimospy]

Wall St. seems to disagree with you as evidenced by the rally in the markets since Trump took office. Why do you suppose that is? You can't blame clueless rednecks on that one.

The idea that the stock market is a substantial indicator of presidential performance is ridiculous. Wall St. probably (correctly) sees a likelihood of reduced taxes and regulation, making owning stocks more lucrative. That has little to do with whether or not those policies are a good idea in terms of the country. Also, if you think the stock market IS a good indicator then Obama was one of the greatest presidents of all time. Do you think he was?

 

[fskimospy]

Dude, the man has gutted the EPA hasn't he? That is huge accomplishment in the minds of MANY conservatives (including my relatives and some of my coworkers).

Not really, he's trying but so far the EPA is only at the beginning of what will almost certainly be a long, long string of losses in the courts. So the EPA regulates through a rulemaking process that requires them to justify why they are making or changing a rule. What that means is that when they try to change or revoke rules like Pruitt is doing now they have to have a scientific rationale for why their new rule (or repeal of a rule) is better than what we had. Since so little of what Trump's EPA is doing is based in science, that's going to be extremely difficult to do.

So in short, his 'gutting' of the EPA is going to be tied up in rulemaking and the courts for years and much of it will probably fail because it won't stand up to the evidence standards required.

For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/03/...o-suspend-obama-era-methane-rule.html?mcubz=0

 

[Jhhnn]

Not really, he's trying but so far the EPA is only at the beginning of what will almost certainly be a long, long string of losses in the courts. So the EPA regulates through a rulemaking process that requires them to justify why they are making or changing a rule. What that means is that when they try to change or revoke rules like Pruitt is doing now they have to have a scientific rationale for why their new rule (or repeal of a rule) is better than what we had. Since so little of what Trump's EPA is doing is based in science, that's going to be extremely difficult to do.

So in short, his 'gutting' of the EPA is going to be tied up in rulemaking and the courts for years and much of it will probably fail because it won't stand up to the evidence standards required.

For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/03/...o-suspend-obama-era-methane-rule.html?mcubz=0

Well, yeh, but only restraining orders will prevent business from going with the new rules.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, yeh, but only restraining orders will prevent business from going with the new rules.

Are you saying the EPA will choose not to enforce the law? If that's the case they will lose in court on that as well.

I have no doubt that EPA enforcement is going to be substantially more lax for the next four years but there is a limit to how far they can go and not have the courts smack them down.

 

[disappoint]

The idea that the stock market is a substantial indicator of presidential performance is ridiculous. Wall St. probably (correctly) sees a likelihood of reduced taxes and regulation, making owning stocks more lucrative. That has little to do with whether or not those policies are a good idea in terms of the country. Also, if you think the stock market IS a good indicator then Obama was one of the greatest presidents of all time. Do you think he was?

I never said it was a substantial indicator of presidential performance. I agree with you in that it's likely because of deregulation and reduced taxes. I think Obama was at least average if not above average. I think race relations became slightly worse under him which I did not expect. I also did not expect him to increase the national debt as Democrats usually improved the debt rather than inflating it. Obama's biggest failure was probably not instituting some sort of bank reform. He had no real huge scandals I can think of, and that's a good thing. Overall I think he wasn't bad.

 

[agent00f]

just the mental gymnastics each and every day you read about your President. I'm effing tired just typing this thread, let alone supporting this guy. Maybe I have it backwards.

The greater the cost for supporting dear leader the less people do it. It's simple self-interest.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Dude, the man has gutted the EPA hasn't he? That is huge accomplishment in the minds of MANY conservatives (including my relatives and some of my coworkers).

It is in mine. Maybe we're related?
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/07/e...-clean-air-rules-is-based-on-fabricated-data/

 

[soundforbjt]

It is in mine. Maybe we're related?
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/07/e...-clean-air-rules-is-based-on-fabricated-data/

Dailycaller...lol

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Dailycaller...lol

No matter how you look at it, the endangerment finding by the EPA is endangered.

Ohh and the New York Times and the Washington Post .........lol

 

[sportage]

You know it's pretty bad when Kim Jong un makes fun of Donald's weird tweeting habits.
Think about this...
Kim Jong un is making fun of Donald Trump.
Yes, thats right. Even Kim Jong un knows that Trump is a total idiot.
Kim Jong un? Really? Donald....really? Kim Jong un?

Maybe North Korea has Kim Jong un, but we have Donald Trump.
And Trump's # one fan none other than....
David Duke (for gods sake).

Kim Jong un may be an insane little twit, but our own Donald Trump preforms lap dancing with the likes of David Duke.
Oh Donald..... Oh David.... Oh shet !!!!
I guess all that is left to say is,
Sieg Heil America Great Again.
(google it )

 

[First]

Considering he hasn't delivered on literally anything but Gorsuch, which was entirely a McConnell victory, he has quite literally accomplished nothing substantial as POTUS. And, frankly, isn't likely to if he even makes it to January 2021.

Oh, and that's to saying nothing of the fact that Trump already doesn't look good 6 months in from a historical perspective. Can you imagine how dopey and clueless his Trumpkins will look in just a few years? lulz.

 

[Jhhnn]

It is in mine. Maybe we're related?
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/07/e...-clean-air-rules-is-based-on-fabricated-data/

None of that changes the fact that Pruitt is an industry hatchet man-

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/01/...-chief-pruitt-regulations-climate-change.html

Consult his own staff? Screw that! MAGA!

 

[bshole]

It is in mine. Maybe we're related?
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/07/e...-clean-air-rules-is-based-on-fabricated-data/

Not gonna address that. If you really think that we need more carbon monoxide in the atmosphere, I can't help you. It is kind of cool that he is into carbon monoxide detectors, a field I was in a few decades ago.

I am interested in this though. Sperm count in western countries has dropped more that 50% in just the last 40 years. This is an indication of a general health decline over all westernized countries. This decline is observed in westernized countries only. Something is poisoning us and nobody really knows what.

In addition, you probably weren't aware of this but the human brain has shrunk 20 percent in the past 20,000 years. We are literally weaker and dumber than our ancestors. This could be a result of removing ourselves from the evolutionary process.

http://www.npr.org/2017/07/31/539517210/sperm-counts-plummet-in-western-men-study-finds

Corporate profits don't really benefit you Taj. If the company can make more money by dumping toxic waste into the air and the water, they pocket the profits, they do not give it to their employees. It benefits the wealthiest only. You should also realize that these rich people would never allow such practices any where near where they themselves live. For example, check out the story below. A multi-millionaire POLLUTER sues to prevent fracking anywhere near him. He of course has no problem trashing the property values and lives of the little people like you and I.


https://thinkprogress.org/exxon-ceo...will-affect-his-property-values-99afafd154f8/