How to break in a new car (Mazda3)?

JEDI

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bought a new 2015 mazda3i automatic.

Whats the best way to break it in, if any?
 

BurnItDwn

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I know in the old days, you could break in using a coat hanger if you accidently left the keys in the car

Isnt the rule of thumbs to keep the RPMs low for the first several thousand miles, no spirited/fun driving, drive as lame as possible ... then, change the oil, and open up the throttle as much as you want?
 

RampantAndroid

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I'm not sure the old rules matter anymore. Lubricants have gotten better, as has the metallurgy. The guidance you see these days is generally to just drive it normally.
 

jlee

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I'd do whatever the manual says.

I beat the shit out of the MR2's engine after I built it - based on what I've read, you end up with a better piston ring / cylinder wall seal.
 

996GT2

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Put it in neutral, floor the gas, and keep the engine at 6500 rpm for 5 minutes immediately after starting the engine on a cold winter day
 

Subyman

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Look in the manual. Understand that hardly anyone breaks a car in, so it likely doesn't matter. Just don't go auto cross it all weekend and I think you will be fine.
 

JulesMaximus

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Read the manual. It will have specific instructions on what to do/not to do during the break-in period.
 

OlyAR15

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There are two schools of thought: the gentle break-in, and the hard break-in. Don't think anyone has been able to prove one is better than the other, and with modern engines it may not even matter. Simplest way is to follow your owner's manual.
 

NutBucket

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Best rule of thumb IMHO is to vary the RPMs. Avoid long drives at constant speed.
 

Nessism

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Drive the vehicle around the city with liberal use of the throttle, but nothing crazy and no lugging. The rings need combustion pressure so they are pressed out into the cylinder wall. Worst thing you can do is baby the thing.

The manufacturers recommendations typically contain a healthy dose of conservative advice aimed at keeping people from hurting themselves. Don't think you will read too much in the owners manual suggesting liberal use of the throttle on a vehicle you may be unfamiliar with, yet this is what the engine needs most.

I've seen engine assembly production lines and first start up on the dyno and the technican pretty much punches the thing under significant load. After the engine gets installed in the chassis, first start up is on rollers where again the throttle is floored. Inside 1 min. the vehicle will be ripping up to common freeway speeds on the rollers. So much for keeping the rpms way down on a new engine.
 
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bryanl

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During the first 1000 miles don't slam the brakes or come within 1000 RPMs of the redline, and never keep the RPMs steady for long periods, especially the latter since it can lead to stuck piston rings.
 

Demo24

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During the first 1000 miles don't slam the brakes or come within 1000 RPMs of the redline, and never keep the RPMs steady for long periods, especially the latter since it can lead to stuck piston rings.


O,yeeeah I seriously doubt that's ever going to be an issue with a new well built engine.

Jedi, just more or less follow the manual if you want ultimate piece of mind, but don't be afraid to drive it spirited either. Hell I took mine on a 6 hour road trip the week I got it and I just drove normal. 15k later it drives better than ever, these engines (at least mine) seem to have a noticeable break-in and get nicer after doing a few thousand.
 

destrekor

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O,yeeeah I seriously doubt that's ever going to be an issue with a new well built engine.

Jedi, just more or less follow the manual if you want ultimate piece of mind, but don't be afraid to drive it spirited either. Hell I took mine on a 6 hour road trip the week I got it and I just drove normal. 15k later it drives better than ever, these engines (at least mine) seem to have a noticeable break-in and get nicer after doing a few thousand.

I've still heard it recommended for even newer (haven't look up latest generation) Subaru WRX engines, that you should do a break-in period that is simply driving variably to ensure a good seal for the piston rings.

Whether this is truly still relevant or not is beyond my knowledge, but I have seen it mentioned plenty.

Basically, it includes everything: drive hard, drive soft, try out the whole range of the engine and generally avoid driving at any particular RPM for a sustained time period. Basically, push deep into high RPM territory and shift for some shifts, do early shifts and keep low RPMs, vary it up constantly, and avoid highways.

Doing that for basically the first few drives seems to be enough.
 

destrekor

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It doesn't matter with a Mazda. The engine will outlast the body by years.

I hope so! I bought a 2007 Mazda3 with about 90k miles last November. I just broke 100k somewhat recently.

Haven't had any issues that are truly mechanical in nature. Just had brakes re-did because clips on the brakes fell apart (probably a botched job from the dealer who serviced the brakes before putting it up for sale). That's it. I hope it stays that way for a long time.
 

JulesMaximus

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Drive the vehicle around the city with liberal use of the throttle, but nothing crazy and no lugging. The rings need combustion pressure so they are pressed out into the cylinder wall. Worst thing you can do is baby the thing.

His car is an automatic. It would be nearly impossible to lug the engine in a modern automatic transmission car.

The manufacturers recommendations typically contain a healthy dose of conservative advice aimed at keeping people from hurting themselves. Don't think you will read too much in the owners manual suggesting liberal use of the throttle on a vehicle you may be unfamiliar with, yet this is what the engine needs most.

I've seen engine assembly production lines and first start up on the dyno and the technican pretty much punches the thing under significant load. After the engine gets installed in the chassis, first start up is on rollers where again the throttle is floored. Inside 1 min. the vehicle will be ripping up to common freeway speeds on the rollers. So much for keeping the rpms way down on a new engine.
:thumbsdown: Don't do this. Just follow the owner's manual recommendations. This is a daily driver, not a race engine. This is horrible advice.
 
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Sabrewings

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It doesn't matter with a Mazda. The engine will outlast the body by years.

Hah! Tell that to the CX-7 my buddy's wife drives that we've had to take the head off twice for unrelated problems.

His car is an automatic. It would be nearly impossible to lug the engine in a modern automatic transmission car.

:thumbsdown: Don't do this. Just follow the owner's manual recommendations. This is a daily driver, not a race engine. This is horrible advice.

Manufacturer's recommendations are for idiots who can barely follow directions and are only intended to keep the engine within limits during the warranty period. For long lasting engines with little oil consumption, hard break-ins provide the best results.
 

LOCO LAPTOP

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Every daily driver I had when I first got the Car/Truck, Drove it like I stole it. All of them past well into 100k miles without issues.

Then again, all of them are Fords so they never give me much problems to begain with. lol
 

Raizinman

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Following the owners manual is safest for the person giving the advice and receiving the advice on how to break in a new car.

But for all the vehicles that start using oil around 15K to 25K it only proves that using a 0-20w synthetic oil did not do a good enough job in breaking in the engine. On my new cars I put in 5w30 conventional oil and change the oil and filter about every 2,000 miles. Then around 10,000 miles, I switch to the 0-20w and follow the owners manual for oil changes. I don't like driving an oil burner as it causes too many other problems with sensors down the road.
 

michal1980

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Hah! Tell that to the CX-7 my buddy's wife drives that we've had to take the head off twice for unrelated problems.



Manufacturer's recommendations are for idiots who can barely follow directions and are only intended to keep the engine within limits during the warranty period. For long lasting engines with little oil consumption, hard break-ins provide the best results.

and you have hard scientific proof of this fact?

Lets see, a bunch of internet know-it all's vs hundreds of engineers doing hundreds of tests for years, and all seem to come to the same basic conclusion:

Drive rather gently the first few hundred/thousand or so miles.
 

Sabrewings

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and you have hard scientific proof of this fact?

Lets see, a bunch of internet know-it all's vs hundreds of engineers doing hundreds of tests for years, and all seem to come to the same basic conclusion:

Drive rather gently the first few hundred/thousand or so miles.

I have plenty of experience building and tearing down engines, specifically with ring gapping. I've seen what engines that followed manufacturers vs hard break in regimens look and how their rings and walls have worn in.

What experience do you have? Here's a clue for you. I have no financial stake in how long the OP's vehicle lasts. The manufacturer does. Their advice will thus be skewed.

Also, there's this guy, but I'm sure his experience is nothing either.

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
 

Beer4Me

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There are two schools of thought: the gentle break-in, and the hard break-in. Don't think anyone has been able to prove one is better than the other, and with modern engines it may not even matter. Simplest way is to follow your owner's manual.

Basically this ^^^
 

JulesMaximus

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Manufacturer's recommendations are for idiots who can barely follow directions and are only intended to keep the engine within limits during the warranty period. For long lasting engines with little oil consumption, hard break-ins provide the best results.

I've never broken in an engine in the way you describe and I've never had any oil consumption issues with any vehicle I've owned since new.

Here's a nice little bit of information on how Porsche assembles their engines and why they recommend breaking in the engine gradually.

http://yel.pca.org/porsche-engine-break-in/

By the way, some of the newer BMW motorcycles actually electronically limit you to certain RPMs during the break-in period. Gee, I wonder why that is...

OP, do you want to listen to a total stranger on the interwebs or the people who designed and built your car?
 
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