How to Combat High Gas Prices

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Silex

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Some plans when the existing motor and/or battery pack decides to take a crap:
http://www.engineswapdepot.com/?p=552
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/09/honda-insight-vw-tdi-insight-1g-with-video

You bought two performance cars and are afraid to drive them?!?
Not afraid, but more or less only want to use them on the weekends or when the weather is nice. I guess this argument does not stick with the Evo since I was prepping that for Rally-X, but time constraints are causing me to sell it instead.

I'm Eli on InsightCentral.
OIC. A name by any other name is just a name

i like your s2000 better
Aww, the s2000 will always invoke a different kind of emotion, but 20mpg is still less than a 1/3 of what I'm getting in the Insight.
 
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alkemyst

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Engine swap

This sounds more like something you want to have than wanting to save money.
 

Silex

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The disel gets 80+ mpg without the hybrid drivetrain which is crazy good. Imagine over triple digits on a daily basis once the battery pack can be used. The K20 would just be a fun swap since the Insight weighs just 1800lb's and it still gets 45 mpg
 

wirednuts

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i spend about $3600 in gas a year since my little truck only get 17.5mpg. i cant imagine having an insight or something. i mean it would be nice to save thousands of dollars but id rather keep on balls on me... that said i WILL break down when ford makes a hybrid ecoboost truck.
 

ThatsABigOne

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If only they could put a diesel in those hybrids. Highway mileage would go up noticeably. Wake up america....
 

sdifox

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I average 2700 km a month...in a 4000lb premium drinking landboat that does about 9km/l or 21mpg for the amerikanzy :biggrin:
 

LTC8K6

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The costs are buying you a more efficient, more robust engine. They are worth it.

I don't think so.

The difference in mileage between a hybrid and a diesel hybrid is unlikely to make up for the extra cost of the fuel and the extra cost of the car. Diesels seem to require extra maintenance costs as well, although that difference is probably small.

I just can't see a Fusion diesel hybrid ever being worth it over the gas hybrid without some major changes in the way things are done.
 

Uhtrinity

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How are you getting $800 in gas savings on a 5600 mile commute per year?

Are you assuming city mileage for the current car and peaking 70mpg on the Insight?

The S2000 should hit 25mpg in highway driving....the Insight you should be getting 65mpg on the same scale.

I'd say closer to $500. So a ten year return and personally I'd rather be driving my favorite cars each day.

For starters the Insight doesn't peak at 70 mpg .... .those are easily obtainable tank averages. If you want to talk about peaks the numbers are more like 100mpg+. For the record I get roughly 60mpg in the winter over the whole tank and 80mpg in the summer. Again for the whole tank. So fuel usage is easily less than half of most econo boxes. That includes city and highway driving. His math is right, I checked it @$3.50 / gallon, if anything he will save more with higher gas prices and if he can get his mpg numbers closer to mine.

Grats to the OP and welcome to the club.

Be sure to check out InsightCentral.net if you haven't yet. Great resources to keep that car running in tip top shape.
 

desy

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I would think Diesel would make the better generator for a Volt type hybrid.
 

alkemyst

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For starters the Insight doesn't peak at 70 mpg .... .those are easily obtainable tank averages. If you want to talk about peaks the numbers are more like 100mpg+. For the record I get roughly 60mpg in the winter over the whole tank and 80mpg in the summer. Again for the whole tank. So fuel usage is easily less than half of most econo boxes. That includes city and highway driving. His math is right, I checked it @$3.50 / gallon, if anything he will save more with higher gas prices and if he can get his mpg numbers closer to mine.

Grats to the OP and welcome to the club.

Be sure to check out InsightCentral.net if you haven't yet. Great resources to keep that car running in tip top shape.

It still scales with the non-hybrid. TYPICAL MPG shows 65MPG (in today's numbers) for the Insight. Getting 100MPG out of it really takes a lot to do and it's not usually compatible with rush hour unless you want to be the nutter holding up traffic.

Being he only has under $5k in the car makes this less an issue, but hybrids are absolutely never a good idea for anyone doing such a small annual mileage if maximum economy is what's desired.

I know a lot that plucked down a ton of cash for hybrids and their commutes are all of 20-30 mins each way. They think they are really saving though.
 

Uhtrinity

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It still scales with the non-hybrid. TYPICAL MPG shows 65MPG (in today's numbers) for the Insight. Getting 100MPG out of it really takes a lot to do and it's not usually compatible with rush hour unless you want to be the nutter holding up traffic.

But saying I get 100mpg peak is like someone with a Corolla getting 45mpg. It is doable, but only if drive like you say. Just making the point that a lot of people throw out those peak numbers as if that is what they get all the time. 70 - 80mpg can be achieved without doing that. When I drive in the Salt Lake area in rush hour I typically get 75mpg @ 65 - 70 mph, that is staying in middle lane at the pace of most of the traffic and the speed limit being 65. That typically happens 2 - 3 times a year.

Being he only has under $5k in the car makes this less an issue, but hybrids are absolutely never a good idea for anyone doing such a small annual mileage if maximum economy is what's desired.

I know a lot that plucked down a ton of cash for hybrids and their commutes are all of 20-30 mins each way. They think they are really saving though.

I understand, if the car was new it would take a lot higher number of annual miles to make up the difference. My mom and dad bought a new Prius in 2008 to replace an Aztek. Based on their annual miles and driving style it works and the savings will eventually payoff. It definitanly didn't hurt that they did a trade in plus cash. For someone who doesn't drive a lot and make payments plus interest it doesn't.

Buying used as Eli, Silex, and myself did makes sense and the payoff is much quicker. It also doesn't hurt that the Insight is so easy on the maintenance side. As a bonus both Eli and myself are also hobbiest / enthusiasts and get enjoyment and performance boosts out of mods and hacks and can do our own maintenance.
 
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ViviTheMage

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How are you getting $800 in gas savings on a 5600 mile commute per year?

Are you assuming city mileage for the current car and peaking 70mpg on the Insight?

The S2000 should hit 25mpg in highway driving....the Insight you should be getting 65mpg on the same scale.

I'd say closer to $500. So a ten year return and personally I'd rather be driving my favorite cars each day.

I am with you, 100% on this. I'd need something near 100MPG + city/hwy to make it even worth a damn.
 

Uhtrinity

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I am with you, 100% on this. I'd need something near 100MPG + city/hwy to make it even worth a damn.

Just remember, not all people are interested in the same kind of performance, this just happens to be a different kind of high performance. Opinions as well a mileage will vary
 

Eli

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My car has been paid off for over a year now, so it's all money in my pocket at this point. I love spending so little on gas. It's not an astronomical savings, but it's nice knowing that I could probably go look around on the ground outside and find enough change to get me to where I need to go if I had to.
 

hanoverphist

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i drive about 600 miles a week. i should really look into a smaller vehicle with better than the 16.5ish mpg im getting now.
 

Imp

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I'm sorry, but that car is hideous. The newer Insight's are acceptable, but look like "squared" Priuses.
 

Eli

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I wouldn't call it hideous. The Aztek was hideous.

They're just quirky. I used to think they looked weird too. I think it's just the wheel skirts. There's something off about that area of the back end.

Overall though, the car is actually quite sleek and sporty looking.

The newer Insights don't deserve the Insight badge. They're an insult to the 1st generation.
 
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