How to control the people : Keep them stupid and uninformed

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yes, cell mutations create entire new species, this has been observed in real time among shellfish, fruit flies and yeast.

Denying reality doesn't make you more intelligent, lacking the knowledge and understanding of basic biology to a point where anyone from every western nation except the US can best you in these topics does not make you more intelligent or loyal to your preferred deity (be it Allah, Shiva or Jesus). It just makes you wilfully ignorant.

Isn't being wilfully ignorant an actual sin in christianity? Don't care though, do you? I mean, you don't care about the faith or the Bible or the words of Jesus, you just go by hatred and ignorance because that is what is important to you.

A word to the wise. You are attempting a debate with a fence post.
 

Moonbeam

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I said I wasn't 100% certain, he probably was born in Hawaii.
Look at you.
Microbe to man, pine tree, and blue whale evolution IS nonsense but students need to learn about it. Accepting it makes people dumber than they otherwise would be though.
Yup, there's no way that could have happened in six thousand years. It could only have happened by rolling gene dice for billions of years and most of the changes even there would have been fatal.
 
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buckshot24

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Look at you.

Yup, there's no way that could have happened in six thousand years. It could only have happened by rolling gene dice for billions of years and most of the changes even there would have been fatal.
Care to share some probabilities? Be as specific as you can.
 

Grooveriding

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Shat is a religious fanatic. This is a running exercise of his on these forums; trying to work out a way to reconcile the facts that deny his creationist foolishness with reality. It's not worth it. You can go back and find a bundle of threads where he makes a fool of himself similarly. For a religious fanatic there is no choice but to deny reality in order to believe their myths.
 

nickqt

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Then they are wrong. The DNA molecule mutates which affects the cell.
The cell, the components of the cell, the functioning of the cell and cell proteins, etc, are determined by the DNA instructions.

If the DNA mutates, the cell itself mutates. The cell itself, including the components, do not function in the normal way, and no longer function as a "x" cell, replacing functioning cells in the specific location, which can cause pain and bodily dysfunction. If the mutated cells, d/b/a cancer are aggressive, they can grow to replace functioning cells and eventually move through the body via blood/lymph, latching onto new sites and replacing more healthy cells with mutated cells.

This isn't politics, it's science. If cells are not functioning correctly because the DNA has a mutation, then the cell itself is mutated in its functioning. Quibbling about what is and isn't mutated in regards to cancer is ridiculous. Best to just move on to being oblivious to political objective observable reality.
 
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Moonbeam

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Care to share some probabilities? Be as specific as you can.
Probabilities for what? I just said zero chance in 6 thousand years. but if one were to believe the theory and the billions of years time scale claimed by the theory itself, it would obviously be 100 percent. To the scientific mind evolution isn't a theory, it's a fact. To somebody with your inability to reason normally, you can't see that. You may get excited by some twisted notion of what the theory of evolution is maintain your usual diversionary dance but that all life on earth evolved over time from a simpler form in the past is just obviously true because the human brain evolved also with this simple logic function built in. You just don't see it probably because you are genetically defective or believing would blow a hole in your ego by destroying some nonsensical notion you somehow glommed onto,
 
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Azuma Hazuki

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Microbe to man, pine tree, and blue whale evolution IS nonsense but students need to learn about it. Accepting it makes people dumber than they otherwise would be though.

Care to explain to us 1) why this is ridiculous and 2) what your proposed alternative is?
 

buckshot24

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Probabilities for what? I just said zero chance in 6 thousand years. but if one were to believe the theory and the billions of years time scale claimed by the theory itself, it would obviously be 100 percent.
How is that obvious? If you had one million trials a second for 400 billion years you're only going to get 1.26 x 10^25 trials.

Imagine if you had 100 trillion organisms on earth self replicating every second for 4 billion years. That is a grand total of 1.26x10^17 seconds times 100 trillion organisms that is only 1.26 x 10^29th cell divisions. Obviously things that are 1 in 10^30 likely aren't going to happen with 100 percent assurance. So, show me your probabilities because you are making a probability argument.
 

buckshot24

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The cell, the components of the cell, the functioning of the cell and cell proteins, etc, are determined by the DNA instructions.

If the DNA mutates, the cell itself mutates. The cell itself, including the components, do not function in the normal way, and no longer function as a "x" cell, replacing functioning cells in the specific location, which can cause pain and bodily dysfunction. If the mutated cells, d/b/a cancer are aggressive, they can grow to replace functioning cells and eventually move through the body via blood/lymph, latching onto new sites and replacing more healthy cells with mutated cells.

This isn't politics, it's science. If cells are not functioning correctly because the DNA has a mutation, then the cell itself is mutated in its functioning. Quibbling about what is and isn't mutated in regards to cancer is ridiculous. Best to just move on to being oblivious to political objective observable reality.
DNA mutates, not cells. It is a quibble but given the context of a know nothing trying to educate me while deriding my intelligence, I have no problem doing so in this case.
 
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