It isn't a dismissal out of hand. The changing of the shape of an active site of an enzyme would NEVER lead to anything other than a differently shaped active site. That is a limit of that kind of change. You're not smarter than me either. You're just brainwashed, you'd be smarter if you questioned this theory.Nope, not happening, as any answer would get shit on by you for being 'not reasonable enough', so no. You get no participation from your smarter peers on this matter until you can definitively state what you would consider to be an acceptable response, what would meet your criteria.
No, it is dismissal out of hand. There hasn't been a single damn thing stated in this thread that you've even rubbed two brain cells together on and said 'hmm, i wonder if that's true!' and hit a wiki link to actually check. it's just been 'nope, that's not good enough' 'nope, that doesn't count because reasons' 'nope, I don't know about that so dismissing it'. You are the epitome of an ignorant savage, I could teach a parrot to state what you've stated in this thread.It isn't a dismissal out of hand. The changing of the shape of an active site of an enzyme would NEVER lead to anything other than a differently shaped active site. That is a limit of that kind of change. You're not smarter than me either. You're just brainwashed, you'd be smarter if you questioned this theory.
It isn't a dismissal out of hand. The changing of the shape of an active site of an enzyme would NEVER lead to anything other than a differently shaped active site. That is a limit of that kind of change. You're not smarter than me either. You're just brainwashed, you'd be smarter if you questioned this theory.
Nope. Add trillions of active site shape changes and you only have a different shaped active site. Pretty simple.You don't get it, a mutation in the DNA structure carries more than one single change most of the time and as you add up every mutation and selection event you get something vastly different from what you started with. You are just looking at one mutation and saying "well that didn't make a whale from a microbe so evolution is false".
You are not intelligent in the least, intelligent people understand how patterns form even when ignorant on a subject but you don't even get that when it spelled out to you.
Have fun guys, I'm out of this thread.
There is no need to get angry. You should go do something else if the challenging of your blind faith bothers you so much.No, it is dismissal out of hand. There hasn't been a single damn thing stated in this thread that you've even rubbed two brain cells together on and said 'hmm, i wonder if that's true!' and hit a wiki link to actually check. it's just been 'nope, that's not good enough' 'nope, that doesn't count because reasons' 'nope, I don't know about that so dismissing it'. You are the epitome of an ignorant savage, I could teach a parrot to state what you've stated in this thread.
I think I said that I couldn't believe that you thought it did. I asked for a demonstration of the power of mutation and selection to produce jellyfish, pine trees, and people from some form of self replicating molecule.
This from your article...
"Using the easy-to-see evolutionary trajectory of the bacteria as a guide, the researchers isolated and sequenced the charge-leading mutants. They found adaptive mutations in the gene for the proofreading enzyme DNA polymerase III, the target genes of the antibiotics, and in unexpected genes such as those coding for a phosphate transporter and a kinase that don’t have a known function in establishing resistance, hinting at alternative pathways that could arise."
Basically the active site of the enzyme changed slightly so the antibiotic couldn't bind to it. When the mutation occurred causing this slight change the DNA polymerase could still repair mutations as they happened instead of being completely blocked.
This is NOT a demonstration that mutation and selection could ever change microbes to people over billions of years. This is a trivial change and couldn't be extrapolated out to the kinds of change you think mutation and selection could ever accomplish.
It is a logical one. Change the active site shape to infinity and you still have an enzyme with a different shaped active site.What it demonstrates is the mechanics of evolution. It shows the bacteria mutating to a form which resists the anti-biotics, and the mutated form reproducing while the non-mutated form dies off. That is evolution, precisely as the theory is described and understood. Your statement that the change is "too trivial" isn't really a scientific opinion, is it? These changes are observed over a very short period of time. Evolution has taken place over billion of years.
Sans metric.The answers given have been inadequate.
We made fun of him years ago for his hilarious predictions of the 2012 election. Honestly it's just entertaining to make fun of him with data.I'm shocked people aren't bored with you yet...
Can't you see that the slight changing of an active site shape on an enzyme is never ever going to add up to the creation of nervous systems?
What about the enzyme in that e.coli? Can't you see how slight changes in the shape of an active site will never produce anything other than differently shaped active sites? This was one of the examples of a demonstration of the power of mutation and selection.Enter the Perceptron, the simplest useable neural net
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptron
That evolved into problemsolving of the XOR nature
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Perceptron_XOR.jpg
Now keep going, adding +1's and you will get to the modern nervous system eventually.
Plus one all the way baby, +1 all the way down. All the way down. ++;
That is a registered trademark.I can't believe I slogged all the way through this buckshot thread today, with no mention of The List at all. Disappointed.
Of course it can. I have just force fed you the algorithm of how that would happen over multiple posts and if you are being honest here you are sort of cornered up here.. you cant find an avenue or example i cant account for one way or the other..its time for you to fess up and deny evolution "just because" - at least that would be honest.What about the enzyme in that e.coli? Can't you see how slight changes in the shape of an active site will never produce anything other than differently shaped active sites? This was one of the examples of a demonstration of the power of mutation and selection.
You can't account for the formation of Krebs cycle via changing the shape of active sites in enzymes even if you do it 10^100 times.Of course it can. I have just force fed you the algorithm of how that would happen over multiple posts and if you are being honest here you are sort of cornered up here.. you cant find an avenue or example i cant account for one way or the other..its time for you to fess up and deny evolution "just because" - at least that would be honest.
[Creationist ignoramus blather] . . . even if you do it 10^100 times.
I won't insult you or your intelligence. I apologize for doing so before, please forgive me.Bucky Bawls
Stop sharing your posting strategy of quantity over quality . . . or coherence.
Bucky Bawls doesn't believe more complex organisms could have evolved (over eons!) from simple organisms because, as a simple organism himself, he hasn't.
You're misusing words again.I won't insult you or your intelligence. I apologize for doing so before, please forgive me.
But genetic copying errors and selection is still not demonstrated to be able to produce the result your blind faith in "evolution" requires. You should examine your faith instead of succumbing to your indoctrination blindly.
Here's the thing. I'm not going to get into this debate. This part of your fairy tale isn't really a huge point of contention with me. Parts of every fairy tale has more believable parts to it than the other parts. What you want me to do is prove my doubts are true, not gonna do it.
I'd be much more interested in debating other parts of the fairy tale. The formation of self replicating molecules is much more interesting and much less believable to me.
What evidence!? He lined some eyes up, assumed mutations created the differences and roasted some marshmallows in celebration. How does assuming that mutations could cause these differences show that mutations and selection has the creative power to turn microbes into people over billions of years?I think it's relevant here to remind people there's little reason for true discussion with him regarding somewhat complex evolutionary topics, when he cannot grasp fairly basic physics. You could practically lay the evidence right in front of him (as I think Paratus did regarding eyes) and he wouldn't be able to understand it.
BxgJ, buckyball would need two neurons to rub together to actually grasp how science worked, and since his middle eastern saint didn't bless him with those, he will never actually understand any of this.This post helps to shed a little light on the views of buckshot regarding more than just evolution.
We were discussing star formation, as in how clouds of gas in space collapse to form stars (that wasn't the main discussion in the thread, just one part). He actually doubted that stars could form that way, and when confronted with basic evidence and questioned on his doubts, this was his eventual response. Notice the use of 'fairy tale'? He considers the whole thing, not just evolution, to be a fairy tale.
I think it's relevant here to remind people there's little reason for true discussion with him regarding somewhat complex evolutionary topics, when he cannot grasp fairly basic physics. You could practically lay the evidence right in front of him (as I think Paratus did regarding eyes) and he wouldn't be able to understand it.
Now whether that lack of understanding is due to lack of ability, or a willing denial to protect his beliefs, I don't know. I would say some of both.
edit - that linked thread was large, the discussion referenced started on about page 22 I think, and continued to the end.
When you can't provide justification for your faith, insults are all you have left.BxgJ, buckyball would need two neurons to rub together to actually grasp how science worked, and since his middle eastern saint didn't bless him with those, he will never actually understand any of this.
Best to just let him stay in the cave, he's pretty happy there.