How to control the people : Keep them stupid and uninformed

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Moonbeam

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uh huh.
It is nice you try to bring some balance into the mix, albeit through some cosmic funky ideology (which I dig), however. maybe it is you who's not seeing what's plainly in front of your face. He's a troll, that's it. He attempts to bring circular reasoning to nearly every conversation, and when confronted on an issue he's lied about or just cannot answer, he either drops out of the mess he's stirred up or tries to buckshat his way out of it.
Again, I appreciate your goals here, if I am understanding them correctly, however, the horse your backing, it's really just a jackass.
Well the point I am making is that to deserve the treatment he's getting he has to be a jackass, something terribly worthless or evil, but sadly for me every time I want to do that I wind up discovering that what I despise in the other is something that is also true of me. Over the course of my life I have gotten some remarkable advise from some, what I would call, highly evolved people and among the wisdom they passes on was this: Who should not criticize. You. That YOU that the message was directed at was me. Judge not that you aren't judged. Who would have thought that judging others was judging oneself. I actually like buckshot. He may not know what the good is and maybe I don't either, but I believe there is a good and I think he does too. I have faith that people are basically good and have been fucked over in varying degrees. To demonize others is to shit on the divine. I vow to save all sentient beings and intend to get really busy on that when I figure out how to save myself. Thank you for appreciating my goals. That was nice of you to say.
 

Moonbeam

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I don't think the issue is just someone having a different opinion, and painting his posts in such light is deceiving. One of the issues that has been typified by this thread is the inability of specific posters to have any semblance of intellectual honesty. That's the reason why we don't see his posts filled with logic and empathy of other's opinions, rather we see him consistently blame others for "lying" or making up "fairytales." That's why we see so many posts of his filled with absolutely no content. That's why he is a troll. Even when it is exposed that he doesn't understand a topic and makes statements that are completely false, he lacks any willingness to accept the truth, he has no sincere dedication for finding the truth. And we aren't talking about truths that differ from perspective. It would be akin to someone claiming that 2+2=4 only when it suits his logic and changing it to 2+2=6 or 2+2=42 only because he wants to warp reality for his own purposes.
And assuming you are all right, what bothers you about that? Think about it. Have you every noticed that racists feel that Black people deserve criticism. Do you think they can tell you why they know that? Imagine if being like buckshot is for liberals just like being black is for racists. That would be kind of hard to take, wouldn't you think?
 

Azuma Hazuki

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False analogy. We dislike Buckyball because he's an asshole. He was not born this way; this is entirely a "lifestyle choice," as his kind like to put it.

For someone who's supposedly been enlightened, you say some very benighted things sometimes.
 

agent00f

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And assuming you are all right, what bothers you about that? Think about it. Have you every noticed that racists feel that Black people deserve criticism. Do you think they can tell you why they know that? Imagine if being like buckshot is for liberals just like being black is for racists. That would be kind of hard to take, wouldn't you think?
I don't think the issue is just someone having a different opinion, and painting his posts in such light is deceiving. One of the issues that has been typified by this thread is the inability of specific posters to have any semblance of intellectual honesty. That's the reason why we don't see his posts filled with logic and empathy of other's opinions, rather we see him consistently blame others for "lying" or making up "fairytales." That's why we see so many posts of his filled with absolutely no content. That's why he is a troll. Even when it is exposed that he doesn't understand a topic and makes statements that are completely false, he lacks any willingness to accept the truth, he has no sincere dedication for finding the truth. And we aren't talking about truths that differ from perspective. It would be akin to someone claiming that 2+2=4 only when it suits his logic and changing it to 2+2=6 or 2+2=42 only because he wants to warp reality for his own purposes.
uh huh.
It is nice you try to bring some balance into the mix, albeit through some cosmic funky ideology (which I dig), however. maybe it is you who's not seeing what's plainly in front of your face. He's a troll, that's it. He attempts to bring circular reasoning to nearly every conversation, and when confronted on an issue he's lied about or just cannot answer, he either drops out of the mess he's stirred up or tries to buckshat his way out of it.
Again, I appreciate your goals here, if I am understanding them correctly, however, the horse your backing, it's really just a jackass.


Moonbeam has a pet armchair theory of psychology which he prizes above all other interests, which is why he's willing to stick with it even if means apologizing for nazis/confederacy; or in this case equating being black to choosing to acting degenerate, just like buckshot would. Again to help illustrate this process, watch moonbeam prefer to act like buckshot over abandoning his ego.
 
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cytg111

Lifer
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I am not the issue here, I am not the topic of discussion, I could be the most incompetent idiot on the face of the earth and you're still left with no demonstrable evidence that your theory could work. You have blind faith and you know it, that is why you are trying to make this about me.

I _was_ going to take some solid advice and ignore further development here. Anyway. I think most of the posters here is some level of atheists and by atheists I mean agnostics, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism, I mean if you show up with proof of a divine creature, space aliens or a flat earth then we would have to deal with that. It just so happens that evolution is not one of those subjects and your case as presented is no such proof.
 

Azuma Hazuki

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Non-atheist here. Deist, panentheist, whatever, but not an atheist. The Abrahamic religions are devil-worship and Bucky is a demoniac. A dumb one, too.
 
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cytg111

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Non-atheist here. Deist, panentheist, whatever, but not an atheist. The Abrahamic religions are devil-worship and Bucky is a demoniac. A dumb one, too.
Allright, I guess thats a personal vector that doesnt require warping your perception of the universe around you into some bucket of belief.
 

Azuma Hazuki

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I've also spent over a decade studying the history of the Abrahamic religions. Yahweh shows up on the walls of Ugaric IIRC, there's tablets being unearthed that outright state he was consort to Asherah, and more to the point, any being that demands worship is by definition unworthy of it. The Creation and Flood myths are plagiarized from the Sumerians, sometimes nearly word for word from Akkadian to Hebrew.
 

buckshot24

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Quote mining? Don't copy/paste from your creationist google searches so much and you won't forget what you've said.

'You could be ...' ..... well.... that's a goal I guess. People need goals. Good luck.
This is simply not true. If it were you could easily find my sources. hint:its not true so don't bother.
 

kage69

Lifer
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I've also spent over a decade studying the history of the Abrahamic religions. Yahweh shows up on the walls of Ugaric IIRC, there's tablets being unearthed that outright state he was consort to Asherah, and more to the point, any being that demands worship is by definition unworthy of it. The Creation and Flood myths are plagiarized from the Sumerians, sometimes nearly word for word from Akkadian to Hebrew.

I've always enjoyed listening to holy rollers try to rationalize away the religious plagiarism all these early societies engaged in. Yeah Hebrews took Tammuz, but said no thanks to the idols IIRC? Been awhile since I've read or thought about anything involving Akkad.

Evangelicals trying to explain away all the jesus-qualities found in Horus or Mithra or Krishna or any of the others is pretty damn hilarious in my experience. I seldom have to ask them about anything else. They are usually already on the topic of jesus come to think of it, that probably has something to do with it.
 
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buckshot24

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I _was_ going to take some solid advice and ignore further development here. Anyway. I think most of the posters here is some level of atheists and by atheists I mean agnostics, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism, I mean if you show up with proof of a divine creature, space aliens or a flat earth then we would have to deal with that. It just so happens that evolution is not one of those subjects and your case as presented is no such proof.
Cut the flat earth crap. Nothing I've said here was a defense of or an argument for the divine. I challenge the evolutionary paradigm and your minds immediately go to God. Why is that? Personally I see it as why you accept such paltry evidence that mutation and selection could build what we find in living things. You don't like the alternative.
 

buckshot24

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I've always enjoyed listening to holy rollers try to rationalize away the religious plagiarism all these early societies engaged in. Yeah Hebrews took Tammuz, but said no thanks to the idols IIRC? Been awhile since I've read or thought about anything involving Akkad.

Evangelicals trying to explain away all the jesus-qualities found in Horus or Mithra or Krishna or any of the others is pretty damn hilarious in my experience. I seldom have to ask them about anything else. They are usually already on the topic of jesus come to think of it, that probably has something to do with it.
Horus and Mithra? You seriously need to disabuse yourself from that nonsense.
 

buckshot24

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And assuming you are all right, what bothers you about that? Think about it. Have you every noticed that racists feel that Black people deserve criticism. Do you think they can tell you why they know that? Imagine if being like buckshot is for liberals just like being black is for racists. That would be kind of hard to take, wouldn't you think?
That would explain his blatant lies.
 

abj13

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And assuming you are all right, what bothers you about that? Think about it. Have you every noticed that racists feel that Black people deserve criticism. Do you think they can tell you why they know that? Imagine if being like buckshot is for liberals just like being black is for racists. That would be kind of hard to take, wouldn't you think?

Based on your questions, it seems you are adhering to a meta-ethical moral relativism. If you are, then we're just going to have to agree to disagree. To me, if we cannot adhere to 2+2=4 (as an extreme example), then we know nothing, and all information is relative.
 

abj13

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That would explain his blatant lies.
What happened to you being the champion of wanting to discuss the topics at hand and avoiding discussions where you only talk about a poster? Even more hypocrisy by you. Its not my fault you made incredible misinformed statements about biochemistry. You said them, not me.

When are you finally going to talk about SOTCases and AOTCases? When are you finally going to discuss the review article of new biochemical pathways?
 
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bshole

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I do notice however, that bs is subjected to vicious criticism and humiliation for thinking differently almost as if there were something dangerously evil and threatening about him.

No it is for his dishonest tactics. He does not engage the arguments or supply his own arguments, he just trolls.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Quote mining. You're boring. Do you have a shred of integrity or do you insist on playing games? I have no time for your games. If you think you have some evidence, provide it.

You're just a hack who is trying to discredit me with absurd wooden interpretations of my words. Pure and simple.

Your posts perfectly illustrate that you have nothing.

I am not the issue here, I am not the topic of discussion, I could be the most incompetent idiot on the face of the earth and you're still left with no demonstrable evidence that your theory could work. You have blind faith and you know it, that is why you are trying to make this about me.

You've ripped my words out of context (quote mined) and applied the most uncharitable wooden interpretation on them because you know that all you have is blind faith.

If you want to talk about some evidence please provide it. If you want to only talk about me, then we're done.

you are the issue. everything about you posting here, is only ever about you.

just like your boyfriend. Hair Fuhrer. You're a fucking useless sack of dead cells that some lazy undergrad forgot to feed over the weekend, and you're bitter at your fate of being a plate of dead cells that won't even be used in any sort of data, in any sort of publication. You are less than useless.

you are negative space.

Stop abusing children, Buckshat. seek help, and eliminate your presence from the internet until you learn to grow the fuck up.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Cut the flat earth crap. Nothing I've said here was a defense of or an argument for the divine. I challenge the evolutionary paradigm and your minds immediately go to God. Why is that? Personally I see it as why you accept such paltry evidence that mutation and selection could build what we find in living things. You don't like the alternative.

So, right here and now you renounce faith in a divine entity? No such thing, that would be ridiculous. Am I right?
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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It matters because it's a way of thinking, in absolutes. For many, the concept of not actually knowing something is tough.
 
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cytg111

Lifer
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It matters because it's a way of thinking, in absolutes. For many, the concept of not actually knowing something is tough.

I know, i've learned the hard way not to pick up this debate with a specific demographic. Apparently I can suck the meaning of life right out of existence it self.
 
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esquared

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
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you are the issue. everything about you posting here, is only ever about you.

just like your boyfriend. Hair Fuhrer. You're a fucking useless sack of dead cells that some lazy undergrad forgot to feed over the weekend, and you're bitter at your fate of being a plate of dead cells that won't even be used in any sort of data, in any sort of publication. You are less than useless.

you are negative space.

Stop abusing children, Buckshat. seek help, and eliminate your presence from the internet until you learn to grow the fuck up.
I think he has you on ignore.
 
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