How to control the people : Keep them stupid and uninformed

[buckshot24]

Agreed, and if you had any sort of college/uni education you'd know how hypothesis testing actually works, idiot. Give the first page a read and then feel free to post "I don't know" once you've realised your stupidity.

Not the sort of hypothesis I'm suggesting. Are you done swinging and missing?

In any case I do not need to provide a workable theory as to the origin of biocomplexity on earth to reject Neo-Darwinism. Just don't.

 

[buckshot24]

Then we can all only assume you don't actually have one and are here to do nothing but troll and bullshit. Piss off.

You can assume whatever you want sweetheart. I wouldn't want to have a discussion with you on anything to be honest.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

That's because you know you'll get your whacko fundie ass kicked up and down the room nine ways from Sunday.

Okay, since you don't have any working hypothesis, tell us all why you think the Modern Synthesis is wrong. Don't just say it's wrong, tell us precisely what you have issues with.

 

[greatnoob]

Not the sort of hypothesis I'm suggesting. Are you done swinging and missing?

LOL. You're very clueless and this post says all we need to know about your education level. Can you please tell us what "sort of hypothesis" (lol) you're talking about then?

 

[buckshot24]

That's because you know you'll get your whacko fundie ass kicked up and down the room nine ways from Sunday.

Okay, since you don't have any working hypothesis, tell us all why you think the Modern Synthesis is wrong. Don't just say it's wrong, tell us precisely what you have issues with.

Its comments like this why I won't engage with you.

 

[buckshot24]

LOL. You're very clueless and this post says all we need to know about your education level. Can you please tell us what "sort of hypothesis" (lol) you're talking about then?

No, you're a snob with ego problems. Nothing whatsoever wrong with how I used "hypothesis" and you're just blustering about to try and bully me into silence.

 

[greatnoob]

No, you're a snob with ego problems. Nothing whatsoever wrong with how I used "hypothesis" and you're just blustering about to try and bully me into silence.

No need to project there buddy, we get that you don't have any solid foundation of knowledge or logical thinking (your posts speak for themselves) but don't hate yourself too much.

You don't know how hypothesis testing actually works do you? You've never taken a stats course have you? You probably didn't study anything in the STEM field, heck anything worthwhile either huh? I'm sorry you're too stupid to understand basic stats, but that's your problem not mine. Please tell us what "sort of hypothesis" you were talking about because as somebody who actually has an understanding of stats and econometrics, I'd love to know what that even means.

 

[fskimospy]

Guys, buckshot not only doesn't accept the overwhelming evidence for evolution that has already been shown him, he has repeatedly refused to even say what evidence he would accept that would cause him to change his mind even when people bent over backwards to accommodate him.

There's only one reason someone would refuse to say what evidence they would accept that would cause them to change their mind and that's if they never cared about an honest discussion to begin with.

You know evolution is almost certainly correct. I know evolution is almost certainly correct. Take consolation in the fact that buckshot knows this too, otherwise he wouldn't be so afraid to open his position up to falsification. It's just someone who is too proud to give up his comforting fairy tales even if he has to act immorally to do so and that's not going to change.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

Its comments like this why I won't engage with you.

Horseshit. You won't engage with anyone because you know you'll get your ass kicked.

Why are you even here? This is a discussion forum. We talk about things. You, all you do is come in here, drop some bullshit bare assertions, and then cry persecution when someone challenges you.

Go away. We don't want or need you here, and you add nothing at all to this environment. At this point the best thing for everyone to do would be to ignore you en masse, so you can wither away in your own little bubble.

 

[pcgeek11]

NVM

 

[cytg111]

Rushing into it so fast we have gay marriage, more people able to use the bathroom of their choosing, people getting fined for refusing to serve gay patrons, openly gay pastors, deacons, etc in churches, tattoos everywhere and are cool now, pornography on demand etc., etc,

Unless you are looking at the US thirty years or more ago you are looking at the wrong country,

yet it is somehow cool for those calling themselves liberals to apologize and defend the state sanctioned homophobic, misogynistic religious right of the middle east and their Westboro Baptist type mentality because in their minds they score some sort of self righteous political points against religions they hate while in reality undermining the very secular beliefs and practices that allowed them to break free from the shackles of religion in the first place.

Sure, two steps forward but really, do we have to take that one step back? Cause if you just shrug you shoulders and go meh one step quickly becomes two. There will always be empathy challenged individuals trying to make decisions for the many, its a never ending struggle.

 

[cytg111]

Interesting that you added North Korea to your list of countries that use this as a tactic. Do you actually believe the DPRK teaches its nuclear scientists that the theory of evolution is a lie, or in other ways denies reality? Or did you just toss them in there because...?

I have no problem believing that neither that unicorns are real and Americans are the true spawn of the devil. You dont need to understand evolution to parrot 70 year old nuke technology.

 

[cytg111]

Cells don't mutate, you daft moron.

As of late I have trouble deducing when you are running on 200% sarcasm and when you are dead serious.

 

[cytg111]

Not the sort of hypothesis I'm suggesting. Are you done swinging and missing?

In any case I do not need to provide a workable theory as to the origin of biocomplexity on earth to reject Neo-Darwinism. Just don't.

Why neo? Is that to portrait current mainstream adoptation of darwinism as something different than the good old Charles delivered? Cause if so, could we agree to agree on old school Darwin then and go from there?

Also, while I agree that you dont have to have a competing theory to reject an existing, I do believe you should be able to point at evidence that suggests the theory is wrong.. Like theory of gravity Newtons version was not representative for everything observable but it still took Einstein to fill the gaps.

 

[FIVR]

I have no problem believing that neither that unicorns are real and Americans are the true spawn of the devil. You dont need to understand evolution to parrot 70 year old nuke technology.

I think you are confusing a subjugated and abused populace that must comply with propaganda (especially wrt the US) with people who are somehow deluded or ignorant. North Koreans know they live in an insane autocracy. They can't escape because there is a system in place to prevent them from dissenting, that is different that people in the US who have zero knowledge of science and believe the planet was created 6000 years ago.


I suspect that much like Russia, people in North Korea are more educated on average than people in the US because the state actually provides a good education (because if they don't, literally nobody gets a good education). One of the benefits of "socialism" is socialized knowledge.

 

[kage69]

The regressive religilous strike again. I suppose it's a tad comforting it's happening somewhere other than the States. These idiotic evangelicals who live in an alternative reality regarding the constitution have already been given enough help by the fascist mental midget in the White House.

Turkey will be worse off for it, but oh well.

Guys. Please stop feeding that shitty troll. Learn from experience and use the Ignore button!

 

[GagHalfrunt]

North Koreans know they live in an insane autocracy....

I suspect that much like Russia, people in North Korea are more educated on average than people in the US because the state actually provides a good education (because if they don't, literally nobody gets a good education). One of the benefits of "socialism" is socialized knowledge.

You're arguing against yourself. North Koreans know as much about the outside world as the government tells them. And the government tells them that the rest of the world is their enemies and they have to protect themselves. Why wouldn't they believe that? Their socialized knowledge has been telling them that their entire lives and they've never heard anything different. The might know how to read and write, understand science and do math better than US students, but they know nothing of the world outside their own borders.

 

[cytg111]

I think you are confusing a subjugated and abused populace that must comply with propaganda (especially wrt the US) with people who are somehow deluded or ignorant. North Koreans know they live in an insane autocracy. They can't escape because there is a system in place to prevent them from dissenting, that is different that people in the US who have zero knowledge of science and believe the planet was created 6000 years ago.


I suspect that much like Russia, people in North Korea are more educated on average than people in the US because the state actually provides a good education (because if they don't, literally nobody gets a good education). One of the benefits of "socialism" is socialized knowledge.

That is music to my ears and I so wish for it to be true. I kinda doubt it though specially in terms of NK, trouble with NK is that the administration controls everything including the flow of information... and us as people are so modular we can turn into almost everything.
The bolded part I find to be very true and as luck will have it you dont have to settle for one, you can have your socialism and capatalism at the same time, have the cake and eat it too.

 

[FIVR]

I'm sure they have some strange beliefs, especially about the US... but their grasp of science and technology is excellent. They have access to bootleg South Korean media and some have access to china... but yes they are very sheltered and propagandized.


My point is that when it comes to practical applications of knowledge (science, technology, industry) North Korea is on par with China and should not be underestimated. If you want to see North Korean technology at work, take a look at some of the stuff being deployed by the Syrian military against ISIS and the rebels. They have North Korean fire control mechanisms for their T-72 and T-55s and they use north korean ATGMs often. It is higher quality than Turkish stuff, so it can't be that bad.


Also, remember that North Korea was the more advanced and more industrialized half of Korea when it was split. Since then, you can see how advanced south korea is in technology. Do you actually believe the more industrialized half would just totally forget how to produce technology while the south prospered? Because Capitalism F yeah?

 

[HomerJS]

I thought the thread title was about Fox News at first glance.

it is

Trump also wants to eliminate the WH press conferences as we know them. They actually floated once a week with questions submitted in advance.

 

[xthetenth]

I said it about DeVos' plans and Kansas, and I'll say it again.

A failed education is no less essential a stage of a right winger's life cycle than the chrysalis is to a butterfly.

 

[buckshot24]

Why neo? Is that to portrait current mainstream adoptation of darwinism as something different than the good old Charles delivered? Cause if so, could we agree to agree on old school Darwin then and go from there?

Agree to what? Neo-Darwinism is a well known term.

Also, while I agree that you dont have to have a competing theory to reject an existing, I do believe you should be able to point at evidence that suggests the theory is wrong.. Like theory of gravity Newtons version was not representative for everything observable but it still took Einstein to fill the gaps.

Absolutely.

 

[Moonbeam]

Horseshit. You won't engage with anyone because you know you'll get your ass kicked.

Why are you even here? This is a discussion forum. We talk about things. You, all you do is come in here, drop some bullshit bare assertions, and then cry persecution when someone challenges you.

Go away. We don't want or need you here, and you add nothing at all to this environment. At this point the best thing for everyone to do would be to ignore you en masse, so you can wither away in your own little bubble.

That is not going to happen. Liberals need for him to be wrong because his madness is terrifying and brings out our own. I am very familiar, at least, personally with that feeling, but I also feel something else, a wish to understand how he sees things and why he sees them that way. Even if he is what people here always seem to refer to as trolling, I want to know why he has such a need if I am incorrect about him and that is what he is doing.

Personally, I see a person who has a unique and thought out point of view, but one that may actually be so arcane as to have no real relevance to evolution as it actually exists. In shout, instead of being evolution illiterate based on profound ignorance, I believe he is wrong at some high level of sophistication and enjoys the feeling, the self awareness, that he is the latter and not the former, but without the objective application of reason.

Us ordinary conventionally educated folk, persuaded by what I would call an objective assessment of the positive changed to our understanding of the world thanks to the scientific method of reasoning, assume also that all the advances in biology that result from the theory of evolution, take it as an objective fact.

But just because we think as we once did that Newtonian mechanics explained the motion of the planets, Einstein showed us we had more to learn. This is always true with science and the danger of crack-pots like buckshot, if that is what he actually is, can close us to an open hearing of alternative explanations.

Where buckshot falls short in my opinion, and has been noted, is that if you have an alternative view of reality regarding scientific theories, you need to challenge them by the scientific method. If he is right about what I have no real idea of what he believes, it is up to him to provide verification. Those who need to hoot will hoot and those who can listen will listen, but I see no point is just antagonizing the former.

My theory is that buckshot has a mathematical probability argument which I do not understand that convinces him that probability that life evolved from molecules via natural processes is too small to be worthy of consideration. I don't really know, however, because if he has explained it before, I do not remember. My experience with my own search for truth was that I would create rationalizations that were so complex in the thinking that I would get lost in the weeds. That is how I see theology, rationalizations by minds so clever that almost nobody else can follow them and just take them on faith

 

[Jhhnn]

How is that obvious? If you had one million trials a second for 400 billion years you're only going to get 1.26 x 10^25 trials.

Imagine if you had 100 trillion organisms on earth self replicating every second for 4 billion years. That is a grand total of 1.26x10^17 seconds times 100 trillion organisms that is only 1.26 x 10^29th cell divisions. Obviously things that are 1 in 10^30 likely aren't going to happen with 100 percent assurance. So, show me your probabilities because you are making a probability argument.

Imagine if you had trillions of planets circling their stars in that equation...

 

[Moonbeam]

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Imagine if you had trillions of planets circling their stars in that equation...

I feel pretty sure that a mathematical probability argument could be made that would show that the life could never spontaneously arise in the universe and that it would requite divine intervention of a being whose probability of arising in the whatever was before that being created the universe was equally improbable since one must logically dismiss that spontaneous creation had to occur somewhere in a universe that exists in time. Science is bound by the notion that the simplest explanation for a phenomenon is to be preferred over one requiting more steps. That is a logic built into our genes.

But it is unconvincing to postulate that there is no chance that live exists in the universe because of self awareness. Similarly is it unconvincing that a mathematical argument against the probabilities that mutations created the human brain when the human brain is relatively easily convinced we evolved bases of a huge cache of evidence.