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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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The pope is a fake christian to many of these whack jobs.
The Pope and catholicism is seen as fake Christianity by other Christians belief systems. They kinda break some of the given rules that other Christians believe in.
 

J.Wilkins

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The Pope and catholicism is seen as fake Christianity by other Christians belief systems. They kinda break some of the given rules that other Christians believe in.

So are the Orthodox as well and depending on who you ask Mormons and JW's (which i would agree with, Kolob alien god and no Jesus kinda doesn't fit with Christianity in any shape or form.).

Except when it comes to head counts to show it as the biggest religion in the world which it isn't if those are not part of it.

2.2 billion Christians is the commonly used number but out of those 1.2 billion are Catholics which would make it 1 billion Christians. That would make Islam the biggest religion with 1.6 billion followers, Catholicism second with 1.2 billion followers, Hindus third with 1.1 billion and Christianity fourth with 1.0 billion followers.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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The Pope and catholicism is seen as fake Christianity by other Christians belief systems. They kinda break some of the given rules that other Christians believe in.

It's other Christians who break some of the rules they believe in. They & the Copts are the originals. Eastern Orthodox split long ago as did Protestants during the reformation.
 

J.Wilkins

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It's other Christians who break some of the rules they believe in. They & the Copts are the originals. Eastern Orthodox split long ago as did Protestants during the reformation.

Well, everyone is using their set of rules anyway considering that they made them up when they decided what the Bible should contain and what should not be in it.

However, they do have many traditions that are just not supported even by their own written book of rules.
 

brycejones

Lifer
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It's other Christians who break some of the rules they believe in. They & the Copts are the originals. Eastern Orthodox split long ago as did Protestants during the reformation.

The pope did make it hard to be gluten free and catholic though. Gluten free communion wafers are now banned.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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Objectively speaking and for the sake of nothing but that and without any personal implications whatsoever, training while it might inspire positive confidence can't be seen, in my opinion, to assure anything. There is a saying that was given to me in a book that was recommended reading: A donkey loaded with books remains a donkey. That tells me that while a person may have even memorized moral texts it does not assure their understanding.

My personal take on the matter is that one's moral understanding will be self evident to others who have it and invisible to anybody else, regardless of pedigree.

Yeah it's pretty hard to see how someone who literally apologizes for nazis/confederates for the sake of their pet armchair science theories a la ego is in any way moral.
 

Moonbeam

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I see religions as different bridges to another reality designed for people in a different times, different cultures, with different major blind spots, that now mechanically function, the light bringer, having passed on. Each is a variation of a theme that is eternal, each retaining some residue of light buried in the inevitable corruption introduced by the ego. In Christianity, for example, the one of these I know best, that is to say slightly, some can still feel a magnetic pull in the stories of Christ. There are analogies and practices there that on occasion rekindle the light in a few followers. There are Christians who are Christian in spirit.

Yesterday, by a quirk of fate, I happened on a video of a Rabbi and watching, I learned something I had never realized before, that one of the gifts I got from Christianity was the notion that God was always watching, and that the presence of that feeling in a person changes how he or she perceives the world. That feeling, I now think I can see, caused me to be introspective. It was that introspection that destroyed my faith and had I not lost that I would have always believed I knew something when in fact I knew nothing at all.

Religions are a bridge to another reality, one we have always been in. The trip is only the recovery of our real selves.
Yeah it's pretty hard to see how someone who literally apologizes for nazis/confederates for the sake of their pet armchair science theories a la ego is in any way moral.
So in a post that explains the nature of moral invisibility you mention you're having a hard time seeing. Gosh, what a mystery. And had you any real integrity in the first place you would know I don't apologize for Nazis, I describe how they come to be and how your mentality will keep them coming. You and the Nazis have one thing in common and it is hate and hate feeds on hate.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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So in a post that explains the nature of moral invisibility you mention you're having a hard time seeing. Gosh, what a mystery. And had you any real integrity in the first place you would know I don't apologize for Nazis, I describe how they come to be and how your mentality will keep them coming. You and the Nazis have one thing in common and it is hate and hate feeds on hate.

I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to understand what I said, same as your new degen friends don't have reading comprehension problems either no matter what they typically pretend when facts don't go their way.

It's simply an unimpeachable reality that you literally apologize for nazis:
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...n-serious-conversation.2509809/#post-38963094
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/dan-savage-nails-messaging.2510135/page-5#post-38969735
and the list goes on.

Though I suppose it figures you'll keep on denying the factually obvious just like your colleagues now.
 

Moonbeam

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I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to understand what I said, same as your new degen friends don't have reading comprehension problems either no matter what they typically pretend when facts don't go their way.

It's simply an unimpeachable reality that you literally apologize for nazis:
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...n-serious-conversation.2509809/#post-38963094
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/dan-savage-nails-messaging.2510135/page-5#post-38969735
and the list goes on.

Though I suppose it figures you'll keep on denying the obvious just like your colleagues now.
I have never looked at your links. I see no reason to. I have not nor ever will apologize for the Nazis. I have stated over and over that those who act out their hate in the world with violence against innocent people must be stopped by the least violent means all the way up to their complete eradication if they refuse to yield.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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I have never looked at your links. I see no reason to. I have not nor ever will apologize for the Nazis. I have stated over and over that those who act out their hate in the world with violence against innocent people must be stopped by the least violent means all the way up to their complete eradication if they refuse to yield.

Seems you know perfectly well what you said in order to prop up your pet crank theories.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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I also recall you apologized for modern nazi wannabes, mostly to get back at me for disparaging your new found friends, which illustrates pretty well where your priorities lie:

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...-of-pride-parade.2509755/page-3#post-38959458
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...become-available.2509348/page-4#post-38952139

Keep in mind for most the nazis' existence, they weren't sending jews off to die as we might brown refugees, and it was merely "thought crime" as moonbeam rationalizes to sympathize with sons of the confederacy. Degenerates agree: good thing racism ended when they stopped lynching blacks so much.
 

J.Wilkins

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I have never looked at your links. I see no reason to. I have not nor ever will apologize for the Nazis. I have stated over and over that those who act out their hate in the world with violence against innocent people must be stopped by the least violent means all the way up to their complete eradication if they refuse to yield.

LOL, I just figured out the only way to get the gist of a reply from someone you have on ignore.

I have that twit on ignore and he turned up as "Ignored_member" on the new post list on the right and then I read your reply.

That guy is an imbecile, he calls Jews nazis if they are good with Jews having a homeland and if you don't like the same foods he does it's probably because you hate brown people.

He's the only one who is extreme enough for me to put him on ignore.

I'd suggest you'd do the same because nothing worthwhile will ever come out of a discussion with him but then again, it's your mind to waste.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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LOL, I just figured out the only way to get the gist of a reply from someone you have on ignore.

I have that twit on ignore and he turned up as "Ignored_member" on the new post list on the right and then I read your reply.

That guy is an imbecile, he calls Jews nazis if they are good with Jews having a homeland and if you don't like the same foods he does it's probably because you hate brown people.

He's the only one who is extreme enough for me to put him on ignore.

I'd suggest you'd do the same because nothing worthwhile will ever come out of a discussion with him but then again, it's your mind to waste.
Thank you for your suggestion but my dearly beloved Father used to tell me that it was all a question of mind over matter and that since I had no mind it didn't matter. Everything I see in him that is worthless and disgusting I have seen in myself first. And the same god that I think I found within myself must of necessity be in him also. So I don't think I can really turn my back on him without turning my back on me. I hope you understand why I make this apology for him and ask you to forgive him.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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The Pope and catholicism is seen as fake Christianity by other Christians belief systems. They kinda break some of the given rules that other Christians believe in.

And each of those belief systems is seen as fake by the others. Depending on how you count there are at least 20,000 and possibly as many as 40,000-50,000 individual sects, branches and offshoots of Christianity infecting the world and every one of them exists for precisely the same reason. Somebody got tired of one particular belief system telling them what to do and invented a brand new belief system that **MIRACLE! HALLELUJAH!** allowed them to do exactly as they wanted to do in the first place. Want to eat meat on Fridays? New religion!! Divorce? New religion!! Hate gays extra hard? New religion!! Tolerate gays and hate Jews more? New religion!! The candles in your old church too bright and hurting your eyes? New religion!! And they wonder why we laugh at them.

Oddly, Jesus and god seem to be okay with all that, they've never done diddly squat to curtail it. It's almost like they they don't even exist.
 
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J.Wilkins

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Thank you for your suggestion but my dearly beloved Father used to tell me that it was all a question of mind over matter and that since I had no mind it didn't matter. Everything I see in him that is worthless and disgusting I have seen in myself first. And the same god that I think I found within myself must of necessity be in him also. So I don't think I can really turn my back on him without turning my back on me. I hope you understand why I make this apology for him and ask you to forgive him.

You're preaching to the choir here, I am fully aware of the creeping hatred of anxiety that dwells within our minds as empathic beings. I have forgiven myself completely and I am without the shadow of projection that you wish you didn't still carry.

For me it's the direct words, the direct actions that matter and they stand on their own regardless of me. I am not the saviour but my brothers keeper and if you know what that actually means then you know why those who are not my brothers are not people I keep.
 

J.Wilkins

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And each of those belief systems is seen as fake by the others. Depending on how you count there are at least 20,000 and possibly as many as 40,000-50,000 individual sects, branches and offshoots of Christianity infecting the world and every one of them exists for precisely the same reason. Somebody got tired of one particular belief system telling them what to do and invented a brand new belief system that **MIRACLE! HALLELUJAH!** allowed them to do exactly as they wanted to do in the first place. Want to eat meat on Fridays? New religion!! Divorce? New religion!! Hate gays extra hard? New religion!! Tolerate gays and hate Jews more? New religion!! The candles in your old church too bright and hurting your eyes? New religion!! And they wonder why we laugh at them.

Oddly, Jesus and god seem to be okay with all that, they've never done diddly squat to curtail it. It's almost like they they don't even exist.

Let me get this straight, it's not the behaviour that their faith is causing that you are against but the idea that they have faith?

I mean, you fit right in with them when it comes to the "snowflakes" in the LGBTQ community, right? I assume you also fit in with them when it comes to rape victims really being whores, right?

You seem to be with them except the reason for your opinions is that you are a fucktard rather than religious.
 

Moonbeam

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I also recall you apologized for modern nazi wannabes, mostly to get back at me for disparaging your new found friends, which illustrates pretty well where your priorities lie:

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...-of-pride-parade.2509755/page-3#post-38959458
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...become-available.2509348/page-4#post-38952139

Keep in mind for most the nazis' existence, they weren't sending jews off to die as we might brown refugees, and it was merely "thought crime" as moonbeam rationalizes to sympathize with sons of the confederacy. Degenerates agree: good thing racism ended when they stopped lynching blacks so much.
You hate racism, fine. Racism is the hatred of the inferior that harms the superior. White supremacy is threatened by those who see that we are all equal. So do you become a teacher who preaches equality, No. You become a member of a superior people, those who are superior to racists and are thus entitled to hate them. And you deny this process which you actually affirm. In WW2 the Jews were the claimed inferior victims who, when they obtained a homeland suddenly became entitled to hate an inferior evil people trying to get their land back. We become what we fear because we will not let go of our ego entitlement to define who we are justified to hate. There is no solution on that plane. Nothing can undo whatever was done to you to fill you with hate, all the imbeciles. likely, who belittled or failed to see a person instead of your color or race, but you don't have to be the very thing that hurt you and you can never ever get even. You have to suffer and forgive. Lots a d lots of people have managed to do just that. You were told you were worthless of that I am sure, but you do not have to be that because they said so. Let it go.
 

J.Wilkins

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You hate racism, fine. Racism is the hatred of the inferior that harms the superior. White supremacy is threatened by those who see that we are all equal. So do you become a teacher who preaches equality, No. You become a member of a superior people, those who are superior to racists and are thus entitled to hate them. And you deny this process which you actually affirm. In WW2 the Jews were the claimed inferior victims who, when they obtained a homeland suddenly became entitled to hate an inferior evil people trying to get their land back. We become what we fear because we will not let go of our ego entitlement to define who we are justified to hate. There is no solution on that plane. Nothing can undo whatever was done to you to fill you with hate, all the imbeciles. likely, who belittled or failed to see a person instead of your color or race, but you don't have to be the very thing that hurt you and you can never ever get even. You have to suffer and forgive. Lots a d lots of people have managed to do just that. You were told you were worthless of that I am sure, but you do not have to be that because they said so. Let it go.

No, it's not that complicated at all. People who know they are worthless look down upon others to feel better about themselves.

And no, intolerance of intolerance is not intolerance at all, it's expectation of tolerance as that is your prevailing idea.

Not being OK with intolerance is an evolutionary trait that we have, it's innate and it's the reason why we can feel others pain, it's known as empathy. I can feel how hurt other people are by their intolerance and understand that it is wrong.

This is not complicated, this is normal human behaviour and it is instinctual.
 
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Azuma Hazuki

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Oh but he's risen above all that. He's enlightened, you see, and we peasants must bow before him 9_9
 

Moonbeam

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No, it's not that complicated at all. People who know they are worthless look down upon others to feel better about themselves.

And no, intolerance of intolerance is not intolerance at all, it's expectation of tolerance as that is your prevailing idea.

Not being OK with intolerance is an evolutionary trait that we have, it's innate and it's the reason why we can feel others pain, it's known as empathy. I can feel how hurt other people are by their intolerance and understand that it is wrong.

This is not complicated, this is normal human behaviour and it is instinctual.
I am sorry, but you have it wrong. People who "feel worthless but have no idea that they do" look down on others to feel better about themselves.

And yes, intolerance of intolerance is intolerance and you can not expect tolerance from people who are not aware of the source of that intolerance, the fact that they hate themselves and have no idea that they do.

This is even simpler than you think but appears complicated because it solved only by the resolution of paradox at a higher level of consciousness. What you call normal is normal for a person who lives in the delusion of duality, that right and wrong are real, that what one has been conditioned to believe is the good actually is the good. What you call normal is a mass psychosis.

What is instinctual is that the good is beyond good and evil. It is all that exists. Everything always has been and always will be perfect. It is words and language and the easily made associations to feelings of pain, being put down as children, that put us in prison. It happened to you and it happened to me and to everybody else. We do not want to relive the pain of being made to feel inferior and hate of the other is the result.

Empathy is vital but it has no bounds because all who hurt others do so because they are miserable themselves. We lost our true natures and can't experience love and joy. It is the being duty of all who have awakened to save those who have not. That is real empathy. It's all in the golden rule and the lord's prayer.

Your trespasses will be forgiven as you forgive. I believe that the belief in duality and the concomitant capacity for self hate thus generated is the original sin one of which we are all guilty. Let he who is free of that sin cast the first stone.

What you called easy actually really isn't. It's the hardest thing in the world to let go of moral entitlement and forgive

It requires a state of perfect and open love, the very state we were in when we were psychically murdered. To return is to face old monsters.

You know there is a good, a God if you will. That is innate within you. Your empathy lives but perhaps it is unconsciously restricted by the unexamined assumption that it doesn't apply to you. Thank you for your support of me. I see kindness is you and yearning for the good. I would only ask you to extend it to those farther down the ladder.

There is a Buddhist prayer, or so I think I remember, that go, "I vow to save all sentient beings" I think a person's aim says things about them. Thank you thank you.
 

J.Wilkins

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I am sorry, but you have it wrong. People who "feel worthless but have no idea that they do" look down on others to feel better about themselves.

The basis for your argument is this quote that i never uttered.

I'm sorry about your mind but I cannot help you with your problems on how to accept intolerance or you would otherwise be intolerant since it's logically unsound.

Also, empathy is as easy as not letting your thoughts and rationalizations get in the way of your instincts and that is as easy as it gets.

Don't care about the pacifist and buddhist stuff, I don't need philosophy to feel instinctual love for my fellow man.
 
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