How to control the people : Keep them stupid and uninformed

[GagHalfrunt]

Let me get this straight, it's not the behaviour that their faith is causing that you are against but the idea that they have faith?

I mean, you fit right in with them when it comes to the "snowflakes" in the LGBTQ community, right? I assume you also fit in with them when it comes to rape victims really being whores, right?

You seem to be with them except the reason for your opinions is that you are a fucktard rather than religious.

No. See, if you were capable of getting something straight you would look a lot less stupid in the first place. But then we'd have one fewer person to laugh at.

I don't have contempt for their faith (although people that believe in invisible men in the sky deserve contempt), my scorn is directed at their lack of faith. If someone really believed in an invisible man in the sky they would not re-write his laws to suit their own purpose. Every one of those 20,000+ sects of bible thumpers began because somebody wanted to do things their own way and that is most definitely not the act of a person who has faith that god really exists. NOBODY that has faith presumes to usurp the authority of their great cosmic muffin. They are using a false belief in a fictional god to justify the things they want to do and would be doing anyway.

There, broken down to such a simple concept that almost anyone could get it straight. Yet I have faith that you'll fail again. Ask nicely and I'll remove the polysyllabic words to give you a fighting chance on the second reading.

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh but he's risen above all that. He's enlightened, you see, and we peasants must bow before him 9_9

This reminds me of a story a good friend of mine told sides splitting about something he saw at work:

He worked in a government office with an Iowa farmer boss why was a hay bailer as a young man and this very odd employee who was Chinese and amazingly and frustratingly and incorrigibly so and was constantly harassed by this boss to work faster. But this employee has very strong union protection. Anyway, this guy was famous for always being late and the butt of much humor and even contempt from management and even a lot of the workers to whom the job would fall to clean up the slack. Anyway, my friend tells me of overhearing one of the conversations between this boss and this employee, where upon finishing up on an exceptional display of frustrated ranting by the boss, the employee responds with, You have a lot to learn!

We laugh about this story. I hope you enjoyed it too.

 

[Moonbeam]

The basis for your argument is this quote that i never uttered

Let me just try to see if we can get clarity on just this one point before the rest:

What you said was:
JW: People who know they are worthless look down upon others to feel better about themselves.

I said that was wrong, that the truth is rather:

M: People who "feel worthless but have no idea that they do" look down on others to feel better about themselves.

I am telling you that we all feel worthless and do not know that we do. I am also saying that the feeling is a lie, but one we believe. There are no worthless people and there are certainly far more people who look down on others than see themselves as worthless. The latter approaches zero. The ego makes us kings and queens among our lesser. This also explains why, when people project on me some superior state of consciousness they have no understanding of, like that I am enlightened, I do so for the same reasons they pump up their own egos, some sense of inferiority that requires the adulation of others to balm. Among people with egos everything is a competition. The thought that somebody somewhere may make them feel inferior keeps their fingers in their ears.

 

[J.Wilkins]

No. See, if you were capable of getting something straight you would look a lot less stupid in the first place. But then we'd have one fewer person to laugh at.

I don't have contempt for their faith (although people that believe in invisible men in the sky deserve contempt), my scorn is directed at their lack of faith. If someone really believed in an invisible man in the sky they would not re-write his laws to suit their own purpose. Every one of those 20,000+ sects of bible thumpers began because somebody wanted to do things their own way and that is most definitely not the act of a person who has faith that god really exists. NOBODY that has faith presumes to usurp the authority of their great cosmic muffin. They are using a false belief in a fictional god to justify the things they want to do and would be doing anyway.

There, broken down to such a simple concept that almost anyone could get it straight. Yet I have faith that you'll fail again. Ask nicely and I'll remove the polysyllabic words to give you a fighting chance on the second reading.

Bolded is a strawman and at this point I am wondering if you cannot comprehend written English or if you are playing stupid to avoid answering the question.

Your entire post is based on this strawman and your babbling is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

To be fair to you I've crossed threads with part of this and that is my mistake, my apologies for that.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Let me just try to see if we can get clarity on just this one point before the rest:

Sure.

What you said was:
JW: People who know they are worthless look down upon others to feel better about themselves.

Yup, that is exactly what i said.

said that was wrong, that the truth is rather:

M: People who "feel worthless but have no idea that they do" look down on others to feel better about themselves.

That may have been your intention but when using citation marks in a discussion you use them only when quoting someone, you didn't know that and that's OK, clarification achieved.

I am telling you that we all feel worthless and do not know that we do. I am also saying that the feeling is a lie, but one we believe. There are no worthless people and there are certainly far more people who look down on others than see themselves as worthless. The latter approaches zero. The ego makes us kings and queens among our lesser. This also explains why, when people project on me some superior state of consciousness they have no understanding of, like that I am enlightened, I do so for the same reasons they pump up their own egos, some sense of inferiority that requires the adulation of others to balm. Among people with egos everything is a competition. The thought that somebody somewhere may make them feel inferior keeps their fingers in their ears.

Well that is certainly not true for all people, myself included.

My past is such that a lot of anxiety had to be vented out before i reached a stage where I am completely forgiven on all levels by all people including myself.

To some people I am the most important person in the history of mankind, to one little girl I am the greatest hero and to me, I am everything I ever wanted to be.

At some point, you have to let go and just live your life. We all make mistakes, we all feel like shit when we do but we can man up and fix them or at least try our best and once we do we forgive ourselves and let it go.

I think you and me are very different, I think you are struggling with reaching a state where you could accomplish what I've done for half my life, make mistakes, fix them or at least try and let go.

 

[Moonbeam]

GagHalfrunt: No. See, if you were capable of getting something straight you would look a lot less stupid in the first place. But then we'd have one fewer person to laugh at.

M: Apparently having somebody to laugh at fills some emotional need.

G: I don't have contempt for their faith (although people that believe in invisible men in the sky deserve contempt), my scorn is directed at their lack of faith.

M: What???????????? Hypocrite! Who are you to violate your own apparent ethical standards. If people deserve condemnation for something they deserve it and who the hell are you to give them a pass to your own rules? You make it up as you go along just like the fucking church.

G: If someone really believed in an invisible man in the sky they would not re-write his laws to suit their own purpose. Every one of those 20,000+ sects of bible thumpers began because somebody wanted to do things their own way and that is most definitely not the act of a person who has faith that god really exists. NOBODY that has faith presumes to usurp the authority of their great cosmic muffin. They are using a false belief in a fictional god to justify the things they want to do and would be doing anyway.

M: What you just did a minute ago......used a false belief in a fictional rule to disavow the fact that regardless of what you say, you are full of contempt for something you do yourself.

G: There, broken down to such a simple concept that almost anyone could get it straight. Yet I have faith that you'll fail again. Ask nicely and I'll remove the polysyllabic words to give you a fighting chance on the second reading.

M: Looks like you're eaten enough to self righteousness now to take another poop.

I think that one of the things that phony religion teaches is that a soft answer turns away wrath. Let's see what you do with a jab.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

O~kay, I think I've seen enough. You're probably the only non-degenerate who's going to end up on my ignore cohort, but you ramble like a madman.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

Were you always this petty? I thought I liked you.

I've been dealing with his weirdness a while and it's beginning to grate. As to whether you like me or not, honestly i do not give one single tin-plated damn.

 

[J.Wilkins]

I've been dealing with his weirdness a while and it's beginning to grate. As to whether you like me or not, honestly i do not give one single tin-plated damn.

I wasn't suggesting that you cared although it would certainly be human to care if someone appreciates you even if it's only an anonymous person on the internet or indeed the great Jeremy Wilkins of London.

I just thought your reply was petty but as you implied there is history that I am unaware of.

My apologies for a comment that was made without full insight and be well.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well that is certainly not true for all people, myself included.

My suggestion was that the feeling is unconscious and that feeling it is the hardest thing there is to do. It is also a lie and all of the wonderful things that you are,are not reduced just because you may have that feeling. My intention was not to take from or reduce you in some way. But from where I stand, having found that feeling in me, to my utter amazement, I denied it too, and I was told I would.

The point then is that it is the worthless who are intolerant which means that feeling worthless causes us to act in ways that look worthless to others who don't satisfy their own feelings of worthlessness, if they have them, in just that same way.

Your claim is that inborn genetic empathy for people in pain creates contempt for those who cause it. My view is that such people need to be prevented from harming others by the least aggressive means, but that they act the way they do out of their own pain and empathy for the past that made them this way must not be consciously suppressed or you become part of the problem like them.

My opinion then,is that certainty I'm the good guy mentality is a form of denial of the recognition that we have been harmed by people who feel worthless and want to justify getting even. That makes us just like them.

I ask only that if what I say is so would it explain endless cycles of blaming the other? All of the answers I have heard for me always come to rest on a shallower set of assumptions that fall short of providing motivation.

 

[Moonbeam]

I've been dealing with his weirdness a while and it's beginning to grate. As to whether you like me or not, honestly i do not give one single tin-plated damn.

When I first started posting here in 98 or 99 I was one of a rather small number of liberals attacked endlessly for my stands against conservative madness and bigotry, and in particular against homophobia and misogyny and racism. I've been called wierd for much longer than that.

I suspect that you are no stranger to such attacks. I used to argue strenuously on the side of a Black guy who used to post but became wierd when he went off on gays. It seems that so many who take damage for being other, wierd, deal it themselves when their own personal bigotry gets triggered, when what they see looks wierd. But in every case I have seen, ones own definition of wierd somehow is justified,

So do I give one single thin tin plated dam about what you think?

I have no need to express such feigned indifference. I suffered enormous pain in search of the love of others and died a failure in the attempt. My own personal experience opened a door to a garden within that is sufficient. Hope it opens for you. What can you offer or deny he or she who has boundless wealth. Maybe a contest as to whose boundless wealth is greater than whose? Pointless wouldn't you say?

 

[agent00f]

You hate racism, fine. Racism is the hatred of the inferior that harms the superior. White supremacy is threatened by those who see that we are all equal. So do you become a teacher who preaches equality, No. You become a member of a superior people, those who are superior to racists and are thus entitled to hate them. And you deny this process which you actually affirm. In WW2 the Jews were the claimed inferior victims who, when they obtained a homeland suddenly became entitled to hate an inferior evil people trying to get their land back. We become what we fear because we will not let go of our ego entitlement to define who we are justified to hate. There is no solution on that plane. Nothing can undo whatever was done to you to fill you with hate, all the imbeciles. likely, who belittled or failed to see a person instead of your color or race, but you don't have to be the very thing that hurt you and you can never ever get even. You have to suffer and forgive. Lots a d lots of people have managed to do just that. You were told you were worthless of that I am sure, but you do not have to be that because they said so. Let it go.

There's certainly such a thing as better vs worse. For example, someone who applies himself to a worthwhile education vs. the worthless trailer trash, or my arguments vs yours.

More specifically for the latter, you make a trite rhetorical claim that people who see racism as problematic must therefore believe all things are equal. Seems pretty obvious that you're aware this is a blatantly dishonest representation, but one you'll insist on anyway because protecting your shit pet theory is far more important to you than basic integrity.

 

[agent00f]

This is even simpler than you think but appears complicated because it solved only by the resolution of paradox at a higher level of consciousness. What you call normal is normal for a person who lives in the delusion of duality, that right and wrong are real, that what one has been conditioned to believe is the good actually is the good. What you call normal is a mass psychosis.

Guess Moonbeam's at that higher level of consciousness where earthly logic doesn't apply anymore.

Racism is actually pretty simple though. It's advantageous for the racists when it works and humans are pretty good at acting in their self-interest. For example, pandering to racists won Trump & co the primaries, and thus they continued and it won them the election. There's really no rational reason for them to stop.

 

[bshole]

Guess Moonbeam's at that higher level of consciousness where earthly logic doesn't apply anymore.

Racism is actually pretty simple though. It's advantageous for the racists when it works and humans are pretty good at acting in their self-interest. For example, pandering to racists won Trump & co the primaries, and thus they continued and it won them the election. There's really no rational reason for them to stop.

Ethics are entirely a man-made construct. If you go back far enough you will find an ancestor who we have in common with mice (perhaps a few million generations). We are cousins with all these other animals that we slaughter and eat without a second thought. If there is an objective right/wrong, I am unaware of it.

 

[agent00f]

Ethics are entirely a man-made construct. If you go back far enough you will find an ancestor who we have in common with mice (perhaps a few million generations). We are cousins with all these other animals that we slaughter and eat without a second thought. If there is an objective right/wrong, I am unaware of it.

Yes they are. That's why humans societies foster an objectively higher quality of life.

 

[cytg111]

http://www.people-press.org/2017/07/10/sharp-partisan-divisions-in-views-of-national-institutions/

Well, there it goes

"Republicans increasingly say colleges have negative impact on U.S."

Republicans is not really into that "education" thing either hehe...

 

[jackstar7]

For fucking generations now.

It always comes back to this:

Asimov put it well:

 

[cytg111]

For fucking generations now.

It always comes back to this:

Asimov put it well:

Damn Asimov, that was spot on.

 

[agent00f]

For fucking generations now.

It always comes back to this:

Asimov put it well:

Perfect case in point: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...blic-assistance.2507863/page-34#post-38978361

Most all conservatives sure do relative to the mental acumen of their hardest core race realists & such.

 

[shortylickens]

Shows how completely clueless you are. How do you type anything with that disgusting brown stuff flowing out of your ears?

STAY CLASSY, BRAH

 

[shortylickens]

Sure thing Gish Galloper.

I had to look that up.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gish Gallop

I've seen it hundreds of times on Anandtech but did not know there was a special name for it.
Its a very well-loved tactic here and elsewhere on the internets. I hate it, but lots of people love using it. Also people on TV and radio like Rush and Glenn and sometimes Kellyanne.

 

[esquared]

I had to look that up.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gish Gallop

I've seen it hundreds of times on Anandtech but did not know there was a special name for it.
Its a very well-loved tactic here and elsewhere on the internets. I hate it, but lots of people love using it. Also people on TV and radio like Rush and Glenn and sometimes Kellyanne.

Here's a link that has other examples.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

 

[Moonbeam]

Here's a link that has other examples.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

Not going to read.......just found out my idol, General Washington, was a drug dealer and it's going to take a while to recover.

 

[Balt]

For fucking generations now.

It always comes back to this:

Asimov put it well:

Wow, he sure did.

I think it might be even worse than he imagined, though. These days any idiot can find like-minded groups on the internet, TV, or radio who will tell them how intelligent and right they are.

It's not just a cult anymore, it's 40% (or more) of the country.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

STAY CLASSY, BRAH

Piece of work, isn't he? Looks like he managed to circumvent that shadowban; he's been insisting that he's being IP-blocked. What the hell is he doing now, ToR?