How to control the people : Keep them stupid and uninformed

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buckshot24

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I don't have a faith, I have reason and logic (which is being tested by my continued existence in this thread). The mechanism of science works as it always has, your understanding of it is what is at fault. The worst part about it is that you actually think you're proving yourself right. You actually think that by me not showing you a youtube video of a collection of amino acids from 6 billion years ago turning into a blue whale swimming in the ocean off the coast of Madagascar is somehow proof that evolution cannot exist.
No I don't. A bacteria adapting to its environment isn't evidence that the microbe could turn into whales after billions of years. That part is 100% an article of faith. And it isn't proof that "evolution cannot exist" it is a statement of fact that the mechanism it proposes hasn't been demonstrated to be adequate.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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No I don't. A bacteria adapting to its environment isn't evidence that the microbe could turn into whales after billions of years. That part is 100% an article of faith. And it isn't proof that "evolution cannot exist" it is a statement of fact that the mechanism it proposes hasn't been demonstrated to be adequate.
You still haven't answered what your bar for evidence would be, until you can do that, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that you will never accept the premise, and are happy to exist in ignorance.

And it's only a statement of fact in your mind, every rational scientist who's studied the material accepts evolution as fact.
 

J.Wilkins

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My ignorance or lack thereof whether it is willful or not is irrelevant to your ability to demonstrate it.

Already been done but only those who are willing to learn the theory of evolution can understand it, those wilfully ignorant never can.
 
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Azuma Hazuki

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Notice how he completely faceplanted over the human chromosome 2 issue also. The guy's pissing himself he's so frightened, and putting up whatever deflection shields he can so he doesn't have to face reality. Sad.
 

cytg111

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This thread in a nutshell.

Goddamn you found buckshot.. and goddamn its spot on this thread down to the penny... buckshot hereby know as bucktang

"...things dont exists just cause you SIMPLY believe in them.. SO SAY THE ALLMIGHTY CREATURE IN THE SKY"
 
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ch33zw1z

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Literally, exactly how I argued as a young deist.

*I was never all in, my gut wasn't in it , but I was heavily influenced by religion. In some ways, still mildly

I had to take books out of the library regarding science and evolution because my Christian school refused to teach it
 

Moonbeam

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No need to get angry that the mechanism which is central to your faith hasn't been demonstrated to be adequate.
You are right and there is no way to prove that evolution happened by direct observation. It' is just a story we tell ourselves and one into which we put our faith. From a body of data and scientific theorizing we have devised explanations that create faith. The faith so produced satisfies minds with ordinary schepticism, but will not reach those who have a bias for an alternate agenda. That is why those of us not deep in the weeds of evolutionary theory look to scientific consensus to give form our opinions.
 

J.Wilkins

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Where did I say any such thing?

buckshot24 said:
No I don't. A bacteria adapting to its environment isn't evidence that the microbe could turn into whales after billions of years. That part is 100% an article of faith. And it isn't proof that "evolution cannot exist" it is a statement of fact that the mechanism it proposes hasn't been demonstrated to be adequate.

The bolded.
 

J.Wilkins

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No it hasn't. I can understand it.

Great, if you have understood it then why are you asking me to repeat it? Every single little section is well explained and evidenced in a multitude of ways so if you actually know the theory of evolution then it has been demonstrated to you.

But, sadly you don't understand it simply because you are wilfully ignorant and don't want to understand it. Maybe I'm wrong here and you have a massive malfunction that literally won't allow you to understand it and it's not wilful at all... It's ignorance either way.
 

J.Wilkins

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I made the vow to myself that I wouldn't give personal insults anymore. This comment has tested me greatly.

No one cares if you insult yourself for being an idiot who repeat falsehoods (over and over and over again) and don't understand the basics of evolution....

You can't claim that it's not in context since no one else suggested it but you.
 

buckshot24

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Great, if you have understood it then why are you asking me to repeat it? Every single little section is well explained and evidenced in a multitude of ways so if you actually know the theory of evolution then it has been demonstrated to you.

But, sadly you don't understand it simply because you are wilfully ignorant and don't want to understand it. Maybe I'm wrong here and you have a massive malfunction that literally won't allow you to understand it and it's not wilful at all... It's ignorance either way.
Demonstrate that mutation and selection is adequate or say nothing at all.
 

buckshot24

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No one cares if you insult yourself for being an idiot who repeat falsehoods (over and over and over again) and don't understand the basics of evolution....

You can't claim that it's not in context since no one else suggested it but you.
Yes I do, demonstrate that mutation and selection is an adequate mechanism to explain complex biological life.
 

J.Wilkins

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No it isn't. That wasn't my point. I've told you multiple times now.

Yes it is you idiot, your claims are wrong and demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding of the issue at hand.

If you know better then I don't know why you keep erecting this strawman to say "this is what you believe" when it is not your opinion at all.
 
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