How to control the people : Keep them stupid and uninformed

[Moonbeam]

As others have already said, you've really changed over the years. This is not the type of post most of us would have expected from you five years ago. However, you continue to push the idea that you understand the truth, you can interpret the truth, and you can define the truth. That's dogma. This reminds me of flying back from Peru a month ago. In one of the concourses in Miami, various religious groups were trying to grab people's attention, making statements like you as I walked past. Each one of those groups offering the "truth." Thanks Moonbeam for the offer, but I'll have to pass.

Really. Five years ago liberals weren't lining up to lead the Spanish Inquisition to root out anti-science heretics, crush free speech on campuses, or shoot conservative representatives etc. Trump brought to the surface the ugly face of what some liberals once had better success repressing. We become what we fear. I didn't offer you the truth. I told you why you can't have it. You are not worthy, and that unworthiness is a lie but one you do not know you believe in. You worship a thousand tones of cabbage instead and you hear the echoes of yourself wherever you go. You are the believer. I paid mine as a price of admission to the nothing, the infinite silence within, the flowing presence of being, but I could buy only a glimpse because I too am unworthy. I know the lies you believe because I believe them too. The beloved disrobed for an instant to revealing her splendor and shot me in the head. Unworthy, like I said.

 

[buckshot24]

lol,. the personification of a fallacy. good job, buckshot. you are the Gish Gallop. in a meta way, no less.

You're just angry that you know you can't give an adequate demonstration to the central tenet of your irrational faith.

 

[buckshot24]

If you do not have a better-working model, then you must concede that is the best model available.

If your model doesn't work then it doesn't work, whether I replace it with something else or not.

 

[abj13]

Really. Five years ago liberals weren't lining up to lead the Spanish Inquisition to root out anti-science heretics, crush free speech on campuses, or shoot conservative representatives etc. Trump brought to the surface the ugly face of what some liberals once had better success repressing. We become what we fear. I didn't offer you the truth. I told you why you can't have it. You are not worthy, and that unworthiness is a lie but one you do not know you believe in. You worship a thousand tones of cabbage instead and you hear the echoes of yourself wherever you go. You are the believer. I paid mine as a price of admission to the nothing, the infinite silence within, the flowing presence of being, but I could buy only a glimpse because I too am unworthy. I know the lies you believe because I believe them too. The beloved disrobed for an instant to revealing her splendor and shot me in the head. Unworthy, like I said.

Did anarachist420 (or whatever his name was) hack your account? It reads like one of his classic ramblings on this forum.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Five years ago liberals weren't lining up to lead the Spanish Inquisition to root out anti-science

I don't recall this. Was it widespread?

 

[buckshot24]

Moonbeam just sees the unhinged rage coming from some on your side and it alarms him. It says way more about those of you who get so angry than about me.

 

[Moonbeam]

I am interested in the choice and context of that selected word. Just like how you are interested in the choice and context of my question.

A post in a thread by a moderator is an expression of his or her opinion, not an act of moderation as I understand it. So I would have to guess that the moderator chose to express the opinion that buckshot is a troll. My question sought to suggest you examine if perhaps his opinion caused you to have, or was motivated by some particular hope that an irritant might soon be removed from your eye. I find such wishful thinking quite typical of people hiding something from themselves. To recognize such things in oneself is to take a stem to remove one brick in the wall that keeps us from seeing beyond our prison.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Haven't read the thread but jumped to the last page and it's a Moonie post, and quit a doozie too.


I do agree with parts though, the ugly side of liberalism has overtaken much of the party (or the narrative talking points). When I joined AT and for several years after I sided mostly with the Dems and had a fairly liberal viewpoint on a lot of things.

I find myself siding with the a Dems less and less but I still hold those mostly liberal positions (pro choice, women's rights, free speech, anti government spying on its citizens, pro food stamps, pro education, I believe in climate change lol, etc). It seems the liberal side has shifted and not in a good way. You would never find a tried and true liberal advocating for government regulation of speech, a liberal viewpoint used to push for openness and individual freedoms.

I blame Trump but I also blame plenty of other participants who've so well defined the parties and positions and turned politics into an us vs them thing. It's impossible to have real conversation on this board because if this, everyone is on the attack mode. The thought process in an argument focuses on maintaining the narrative rather than trying to understand the problem and talking about solutions. When all else fails the name calling comes out.

I think AT's Politics board is a more polarized version of the US as a whole but still representative. This is the New Politics. Attack Attack Attack.

I'll continue with my "liberal" self and watch everyone pass me by. Cheers :beer:

 

[jackstar7]

I'm not playing games.

If you really believe this... what are you?

 

[jackstar7]

Haven't read the thread but jumped to the last page and it's a Moonie post, and quit a doozie too.


I do agree with parts though, the ugly side of liberalism has overtaken much of the party (or the narrative talking points). When I joined AT and for several years after I sided mostly with the Dems and had a fairly liberal viewpoint on a lot of things.

I find myself siding with the a Dems less and less but I still hold those mostly liberal positions (pro choice, women's rights, free speech, anti government spying on its citizens, pro food stamps, pro education, I believe in climate change lol, etc). It seems the liberal side has shifted and not in a good way. You would never find a tried and true liberal advocating for government regulation of speech, a liberal viewpoint used to push for openness and individual freedoms.

I blame Trump but I also blame plenty of other participants who've so well defined the parties and positions and turned politics into an us vs them thing. It's impossible to have real conversation on this board because if this, everyone is on the attack mode. The thought process in an argument focuses on maintaining the narrative rather than trying to understand the problem and talking about solutions. When all else fails the name calling comes out.

I think AT's Politics board is a more polarized version of the US as a whole but still representative. This is the New Politics. Attack Attack Attack.

I'll continue with my "liberal" self and watch everyone pass me by. Cheers :beer:

You are, as it turns out, a single-issue voter.

This supposed persecution of speech is mostly fabricated and obscenely over-hyped by the "persecuted" crying foul of every consequence of their speech that they make freely.

 

[zinfamous]

All you have to do is DEMONSTRATE that mutation and selection is adequate, all this personal nonsense is irrelevant. Insulting me does not help your case.

No.

You have to demonstrate that it isn't. All of science has already demonstrated that it is far beyond adequate.

Do you understand that?

The ball has only ever been in your court.

This does not continue until you provide actual evidence that it is not. That's it. It's simple. Shut the fuck up until you do your fucking homework.

 

[abj13]

My question sought to suggest you examine if perhaps his opinion caused you to have, or was motivated by some particular hope that an irritant might soon be removed from your eye. I find such wishful thinking quite typical of people hiding something from themselves. To recognize such things in oneself is to take a stem to remove one brick in the wall that keeps us from seeing beyond our prison.

Thanks for your concern, but unfortunately that is not the reason why I made the post. You should really take a step back and think about all the time you've spent dictating what the "truth" is in this thread. When did the "truth" make you their envoy to the rest of us "conditioned" souls?

 

[jackstar7]

Moonbeam just sees the unhinged rage coming from some on your side and it alarms him. It says way more about those of you who get so angry than about me.

Doctor, heal thyself.

 

[zinfamous]

You're just angry that you know you can't give an adequate demonstration to the central tenet of your irrational faith.

do your homework.

 

[zinfamous]

If your model doesn't work then it doesn't work, whether I replace it with something else or not.

The model works. You have yet to provide a better model.

Do your homework.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't recall this. Was it widespread?

I don't understand your question. Five years ago liberal madness had to have been present to the degree it is today, but it wasn't oozing out at the surface like it is now. Trump won. A madman won. America voted for a lunatic, a terrible threat to the human race. buckshot supports him and is glad he won. What am I supposed to do with all my rage? Go up on the cross and suffer so I don't infect others with more or it. OOOOOOOOOOOO KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY. But what to do about all those without such strength. What shall we do about their rage. The problem, then, is what kind of lance shall I use to stab myself with. I know, I'll call myself the Nobility of God, the supreme being, the greatest thing since sliced bread. That should throw salt in a few wounds. I'm the best there is. WEEEEEEEEEEEE, time for God to die for your sins. Now let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

There is only love and that fact alone fills us with terror.

 

[Moonbeam]

Did anarachist420 (or whatever his name was) hack your account? It reads like one of his classic ramblings on this forum.

Looking for droids, I see.

 

[UglyCasanova]

You are, as it turns out, a single-issue voter.

This supposed persecution of speech is mostly fabricated and obscenely over-hyped by the "persecuted" crying foul of every consequence of their speech that they make freely.

Certainly not a single issue voter, I don't understand how you'd get that.

Look through the thread on Germany, plenty of users posting opinions that they support government regulation of speech and ideas. They essentially want the Thought Police. This is not a liberal viewpoint,I'm not sure what it is but the "liberals" have certainly passed me by....

 

[Moonbeam]

Thanks for your concern, but unfortunately that is not the reason why I made the post. You should really take a step back and think about all the time you've spent dictating what the "truth" is in this thread. When did the "truth" make you their envoy to the rest of us "conditioned" souls?

What guarantee can you offer if you are conditioned, that you have the slightest idea why you posted. You do not know what you feel. I became the envoy when the demonizing of the one considered the least among us began in earnest. I felt a tremendous tremor in the force and it ignited my Jedi Sword. If you strike me down I will rise up more powerful than you can imagine, or maybe just go do the dishes.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

Moonbeam, please get checked for early symptoms of schizophrenia. In the last several months you have become increasingly unhinged, and I've known schizophrenics who talked and acted like this. You may think you're simply living your life as a koan for the unwashed masses, but the rest of us are seeing what looks very much like mental illness.

 

[nickqt]

Moonbeam, please get checked for early symptoms of schizophrenia. In the last several months you have become increasingly unhinged, and I've known schizophrenics who talked and acted like this. You may think you're simply living your life as a koan for the unwashed masses, but the rest of us are seeing what looks very much like mental illness.

It's essentially a word salad version of BothSidesDoIt™.

I've stopped paying attention to it, as his/her own signature sagely warns you to do.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Moonbeam, please get checked for early symptoms of schizophrenia. In the last several months you have become increasingly unhinged, and I've known schizophrenics who talked and acted like this. You may think you're simply living your life as a koan for the unwashed masses, but the rest of us are seeing what looks very much like mental illness.

Not mental illness, Moonie is woke AF.

 

[jackstar7]

Certainly not a single issue voter, I don't understand how you'd get that.

Look through the thread on Germany, plenty of users posting opinions that they support government regulation of speech and ideas. They essentially want the Thought Police. This is not a liberal viewpoint,I'm not sure what it is but the "liberals" have certainly passed me by....

So their speech frightens you? Answer it with better speech, not hyperbole and panic.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

If your model doesn't work then it doesn't work, whether I replace it with something else or not.

But it does work. Your ignorant protestations notwithstanding.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/lines_16

 

[UglyCasanova]

So their speech frightens you? Answer it with better speech, not hyperbole and panic.

Their speech does frighten me as it's advocating taking away freedoms, but I absolutely support every one of their rights to hold that opinion and voice it. Just because I see the opinion being said as worrisome doesn't mean it should be quelled.