How to find God

disappoint

Lifer
Dec 7, 2009
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Yes, yes I know you didn't know he was lost.

Well this is about how to establish contact with God. Be careful what you wish for religious folks, you might just get it.

A team of deeply pious scientists conducted a radical experiment in an undisclosed facility. The scientists had theorized that a human without access to any senses or ways to perceive stimuli would be able to perceive the presence of God.

They believed that the five senses clouded our awareness of eternity, and without them, a human could actually establish contact with God by thought. An elderly man who claimed to have “nothing left to live for” was the only test subject to volunteer. To purge him of all his senses, the scientists performed a complex operation in which every sensory nerve connection to the brain was surgically severed.* Although the test subject retained full muscular function, he could not see, hear, taste, smell, or feel. With no possible way to communicate with or even sense the outside world, he was alone with his thoughts.

Scientists monitored him as he spoke aloud about his state of mind in jumbled, slurred sentences that he couldn’t even hear. After four days, the man claimed to be hearing hushed, unintelligible voices in his head. Assuming it was an onset of psychosis, the scientists paid little attention to the man’s concerns.

Two days later, the man cried that he could hear his dead wife speaking with him, and even more, he could communicate back. The scientists were intrigued, but were not convinced until the subject started naming dead relatives of the scientists. He repeated personal information to the scientists that only their dead spouses and parents would have known. At this point, a sizable portion of scientists left the study.

After a week of conversing with the deceased through his thoughts, the subject became distressed, saying the voices were overwhelming. In every waking moment, his consciousness was bombarded by hundreds of voices that refused to leave him alone. He frequently threw himself against the wall, trying to elicit a pain response. He begged the scientists for sedatives, so he could escape the voices by sleeping. This tactic worked for three days, until he started having severe night terrors. The subject repeatedly said that he could see and hear the deceased in his dreams.

Only a day later, the subject began to scream and claw at his non-functional eyes, hoping to sense something in the physical world. The hysterical subject now said the voices of the dead were deafening and hostile, speaking of hell and the end of the world. At one point, he yelled “No heaven, no forgiveness” for five hours straight. He continually begged to be killed, but the scientists were convinced that he was close to establishing contact with God.
After another day, the subject could no longer form coherent sentences. Seemingly mad, he started to bite off chunks of flesh from his arm. The scientists rushed into the test chamber and restrained him to a table so he could not kill himself. After a few hours of being tied down, the subject halted his struggling and screaming. He stared blankly at the ceiling as teardrops silently streaked across his face. For two weeks, the subject had to be manually rehydrated due to the constant crying. Eventually, he turned his head and, despite his blindness, made focused eye contact with a scientist for the first time in the study.

He whispered “I have spoken with God, and He has abandoned us” and his vital signs stopped. There was no apparent cause of death.
 

DigDog

Lifer
Jun 3, 2011
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both fake and actually not possible (how do you disconnect a person from feeling pain, without paralizing them?), my "can't you just use the Search function" was funnier.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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both fake and actually not possible (how do you disconnect a person from feeling pain, without paralizing them?), my "can't you just use the Search function" was funnier.

Doesn't need to be real or possible. It's meant for the people most likely to believe in an invisible man in the sky. They're not savvy enough to recognize it as bullshit, so they're gonna swallow it no matter how ridiculous it is.
 

John Connor

Lifer
Nov 30, 2012
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I like the story that says something about for God so lovved the world that he gave his only son, that whom ever believe in him will not perish but have eternal life.

Perhaps the man was a non-believer from begin with?

Stupid to think that this MASSIVE and I mean MASSIVE universe doesn't have a creator. There's more to this world than we can possibly understand.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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I like the story that says something about for God so lovved the world that he gave his only son, that whom ever believe in him will not perish but have eternal life.

Perhaps the man was a non-believer from begin with?

Stupid to think that this MASSIVE and I mean MASSIVE universe doesn't have a creator. There's more to this world than we can possibly understand.

We are all "creators" at some point, so there are at least billions of them.
 

John Connor

Lifer
Nov 30, 2012
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We are all "creators" at some point, so there are at least billions of them.


Because God gave you that gift from the first breath of Adam. Or at least that's the story.

Our creative thought is of free will and as you already know it's created living hell on in this world.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Because God gave you that gift from the first breath of Adam. Or at least that's the story.

Our creative thought is of free will and as you already know it's created living hell on in this world.

That's one hell of a story. I doubt the person who wrote it intended it to be taken as fact, except maybe for kids.
 

disappoint

Lifer
Dec 7, 2009
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Stupid to think that this MASSIVE and I mean MASSIVE universe doesn't have a creator. There's more to this world than we can possibly understand.

While I agree there is more to this world than we understand, you haven't convinced me of any limit to what we can ever possibly understand. I'm not saying there isn't a limit, I'm saying I doubt we know of one.

The first statement is flat out wrong. I will use the word "incorrect" rather than the insult "stupid" you chose because I'm trying to become less insulting as I grow wiser.

Rather than being incorrect to think that this MASSIVE universe doesn't have a creator, it is incorrect to assume that it does without empirical evidence.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and claiming there is a creator is an extraordinary claim. With no evidence to support it, it is incorrect, that is to say it is a logical fallacy to claim such an extraordinary thing exists. It also promotes intellectual laziness because there is no need to further study how the universe functions if you just leave it up to "the boss" or "the creator".

I'd prefer if humans took some responsibility for learning how the universe functions in order to improve their lives than to just leave it up to someone or something else.

This is how we have eradicated polio on this planet, not by polio vaccines falling out of the sky after praying for help but by taking responsibility for intense study using the scientific method to gain the knowledge and information necessary to accomplish that goal. Just to name one out of many such accomplished goals.

It turns out that if there is a God, we're it. We are going to have to be our own saviors. Of that there is plenty of empirical evidence in plain sight.
 

Mai72

Lifer
Sep 12, 2012
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I'm a Catholic. I've always been one my whole life. I might have attended church a total of 5 times.

There are currently 4200 religions. Why is your religion or my religion the right one? I find that many people who hang onto the notion that their religion is the "correct one" do so because they don't know any better. They have never traveled to other countries. They have never experienced other religions, like buddhisim. And yes, buddhisim is a religion. It's a philosophy. A way of life. But, It's also a religion.

There are currently 4200 religions today. Why is your religion "the one?"
 

John Connor

Lifer
Nov 30, 2012
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Being naturally curious and havig a knack for science I don't just read about the widely accepted science, but pseudo science as well. I have come to the conclusion that people who think they "know" in fact know nothing. So it is incorrect to think there is nothingness and we are all by our lonesome.

A lot of what is in the Bible may or may not be true and there are other books that stem from the Bible, but there is one science that often compliments the Bible and that is archeological science. Just last month they have discovered the pool in Israel where apparently Jesus healed a blind man.
 
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John Connor

Lifer
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There are currently 4200 religions today. Why is your religion "the one?"


Because Jesus said I am the only one or something and that there would be one religion of which many will be created?

I mean, even Islam has Jesus has a prophet? Mary is mentioned in the Koran and even Isac.

If you ask me, everyone is worshiping the same damn thing, just differently. At least they don't know it. We humans fuck that part up.
 
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Cerpin Taxt

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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Stupid to think that this MASSIVE and I mean MASSIVE universe doesn't have a creator.
What the hell does size have anything to do with it?

In your opinion, what is the appropriately-sized universe that does not require a creator?

There's more to this world than we can possibly understand.
Therefore you're going to insert your imaginary friend where still stands your ignorance.

Brilliant.
 

Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
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I like the story that says something about for God so lovved the world that he gave his only son, that whom ever believe in him will not perish but have eternal life.

Perhaps the man was a non-believer from begin with?

Stupid to think that this MASSIVE and I mean MASSIVE universe doesn't have a creator. There's more to this world than we can possibly understand.
What realm is God from? What entity created that universe?

A big Universe that is 99.9999......999....999....% empty space, which is also utterly hostile to life as we know it, doesn't inherently require an intelligent entity to create it.


:hmm:
Maybe the Universe was crafted on a Moebius strip of spacetime that created its own causality.




I'm a Catholic. I've always been one my whole life. I might have attended church a total of 5 times.

There are currently 4200 religions. Why is your religion or my religion the right one? I find that many people who hang onto the notion that their religion is the "correct one" do so because they don't know any better. They have never traveled to other countries. They have never experienced other religions, like buddhisim. And yes, buddhisim is a religion. It's a philosophy. A way of life. But, It's also a religion.

There are currently 4200 religions today. Why is your religion "the one?"
The trick is to choose the one that says it's the only correct one.
 

Cerpin Taxt

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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Because Jesus said I am the only one or something and that there would be one religion of which many which be created?
No. Somebody else said that Jesus said that. We don't even know who that is.

I mean, even Islam has Jesus has a prophet? Mary is mentioned in the Koran and even Isac.
Greece is described in the Odyssey. Clearly that means its a true story.
 

Cerpin Taxt

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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Why Yes there are:

And the creators created by the "Master Big-Dawg Creator" who some call God.
In fact, the only "creators" we have ever observed are more-appropriately described as "re-arrangers."

Or maybe you're not familiar with the first law of thermodynamics.
 
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