How to Fix America! - Sell Alaska to China

PJABBER

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Sitting around a Pretty Big Table at Bullfeathers on Capitol Hill, we were well into a fourth pitcher of Sam Adams when the topic turned to the national debt. As it often does when we decide to discuss fiscal policy, we started calling out our favorite solutions to the Obama Administration's profligate spending hell bent on driving the nation into insolvency.

The local barfly on loan from the London School of Economics threw out the idea that we should do an asset sale.

Gold, mineral rights, what would work?

By consensus and by acclaim, we decided on a course of action that would eliminate the debt burden heretofore destined to destroy the country.

Under the influence of Stoli chasers, we recommend the sale of Alaska to the Chinese in the amount of the current debt owed.

More soberly, I sought to reference a third party source of discussion - we can't have been the first to think of this solution. Why not one of the blogs at The Motley Fool, a paragon of investment considerations?

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TickRTapeKing channels Thomas Jefferson and proposes several approaches to change our economic fate in the United States. "We appear destined for larger crises in the future from historic debt levels, a loss of confidence in our institutions and leaders, negative changes to spending patterns, and out of control money printing by the Federal Reserve bank and Treasury Department."

Sell Alaska to China

China needs natural resources - Alaska has them. After Seward’s Folly purchase of Alaska from Russia for $7.2 million in 1867, exchanging this lightly populated, cold, far away land to China in exchange for the roughly $2 trillion in federal Treasury debt owned, would be a win, win for both sides. [Heck, even Sarah Palin ran when she had the chance.] I cannot dream up another legitimate way to cover the money we owe China. Alaska has lumber, a large fishing industry, huge metal and oil reserves and production, basically all needed ingredients for China’s economic growth aspirations. They have already purchased chunks of Africa in an effort to secure the raw materials to fuel expansion. [I thought about throwing Hawaii in the mix; it may be closer to China. However, Hawaii doesn’t hold the valuable and vast natural resources of Alaska, or a revenue stream big enough from pineapples and tourism to get close to the $2 trillion price tag we require. I am also partial to keeping Hawaii, as I honeymooned in Maui during the present lifetime.]

Perhaps selling Alaska (which is almost entirely federal and state owned land) is a little drastic; we could use it as tangible collateral instead for China, in case we cannot or do not wish to pay them back in gold-based Dollar bills in the future. While this may sound far fetched and off the wall, consider the alternatives. In 2009, China now owns a greater sum of U.S. assets than any country has owned of another, in all of human history! Most Americans do not yet realize our foreign debt size, but many of us send our first week or two of taxed income to the federal government each year to pay for the “interest” on the debt we already owe China, and the situation gets worse each year. Basically, we are starting to work for them! Trade wars with China appear all but inevitable as friction mounts over the direction of short-term monetary/Dollar value policies, rising rates of credit creation in the U.S., unmanageable deficit spending inherent in U.S.’s current economic course, and the near universal odds of high inflation rates destroying the purchasing power of China’s bond investments the next 5-10 years. In fact, it is not hard to imagine an actual military conflict between the U.S. and China to erupt in the next decade over related frustrations about the debt on both sides of the Pacific, if America does not change course drastically and support China’s investment here. If you were given a black and white choice of giving up Alaska now, or having your children (and perhaps tens of millions of Americans) perish in a military conflict over Taiwan or Japan in 5 years, which choice would an honest, practical individual make? [After we sell Alaska, we can finally allow Puerto Rico to become an official state also, as Florida is getting full of people. We could use their resort landscape for commercial development and build political bridges to the rest of our natural sphere of influence in the Caribbean region. Plus, we could all keep the existing American flags with 50 stars, instead of having China sew new ones with 49!] Congress can work on the details, like how we repatriate Alaskans back home to the contiguous states, and properly appraise their private property sold to China!
 

waggy

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that would be really really fucking stupid.

oh wait..didn't see who posted. sorry Carry on.
 

Red Dawn

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Sitting around a Pretty Big Table at Bullfeathers on Capitol Hill, we were well into a fourth pitcher of Sam Adams when the topic turned to the national debt. As it often does when we decide to discuss fiscal policy, we started calling out our favorite solutions to the Obama Administration's profligate spending hell bent on driving the nation into insolvency.

The local barfly on loan from the London School of Economics threw out the idea that we should do an asset sale.

Gold, mineral rights, what would work?

By consensus and by acclaim, we decided on a course of action that would eliminate the debt burden heretofore destined to destroy the country.
BS, you expect us to believe that others would bother sharing a beer and shots of Stoli in your presence?
 

ayabe

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OP is a lobbyist, most likely a fluffer for the C street house, he's more or less admitted this many times.
 

PJABBER

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OP is a lobbyist, most likely a fluffer for the C street house, he's more or less admitted this many times.

I am not that religious! Rather than K Street I spend my time on Massachusetts Avenue since my visitor's pass to the White House was recently revoked.

Ahhh, those were the days, my friend! But, I am fully confident that happy days will be here again, come 2010. Until then, I bide my time between the Fed, the Cato Institute and the IDB!
 
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Lemon law

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Well, maybe PJABBER is close, maybe we could sell Sarah Palin to China instead.

If we could sell Palin for what she thinks she is worth, what the difference in what she is actually worth could buy all the tea in China.

Sadly, I do not think China would want Sarah Palin either. But maybe they might, image the group cohesiveness if over a billion people are suddenly chanting drill baby brill.
 

PJABBER

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Well, maybe PJABBER is close, maybe we could sell Sarah Palin to China instead.

If we could sell Palin for what she thinks she is worth, what the difference in what she is actually worth could buy all the tea in China.

Sadly, I do not think China would want Sarah Palin either. But maybe they might, image the group cohesiveness if over a billion people are suddenly chanting drill baby brill.

With the money making machine that Sarah Palin has become, do you think she could take back some of the U.S. debt that China has on the books?
 

PJABBER

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Neither are those in C Street, they just pretend to be while they a screwing whores and buggering each other.

I'll have to take your word on that.

I still can't quite figure out who is doing the screwing and who is getting screwed with the Congress and the lobbyists intertwined so closely in their epic Stygian orgy. It is not a pretty picture.
 

ayabe

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I'll have to take your word on that.

I still can't quite figure out who is doing the screwing and who is getting screwed with the Congress and the lobbyists intertwined so closely in their epic Stygian orgy. It is not a pretty picture.

That's easy, the person who isn't being represented in the conversation, ie Joe the Voter.
 

Red Dawn

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I'll have to take your word on that.

I still can't quite figure out who is doing the screwing and who is getting screwed with the Congress and the lobbyists intertwined so closely in their epic Stygian orgy. It is not a pretty picture.
Cool, first time I've seen the word Stygian used on this forum.
 

PJABBER

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Cool, first time I've seen the word Stygian used on this forum.

That little bit of erudition comes from sticking mostly to the top shelf and a passing appreciation of Milton.

“Hence loathed Melancholy
Of Cerberus and blackest midnight born,
In Stygian Cave forlorn”

Sort of like passing through the entrance to the Capitol Visitor Center.
 

Red Dawn

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That little bit of erudition comes from sticking mostly to the top shelf and a passing appreciation of Milton.

“Hence loathed Melancholy
Of Cerberus and blackest midnight born,
In Stygian Cave forlorn”

Sort of like passing through the entrance to the Capitol Visitor Center.
Or reading one of your posts.
 

JTsyo

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But then it would cost us another trillion dollars to change all our flags, banners, paint jobs ect to just 49 stars. You guys didn't have enough to drink while thinking on this.
 

Fern

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How to Fix America! - Sell Alaska to China

Why?

Let THEM pump all the oil?

We should just drill for the damn oil; the US gov will get about half (as usual) of the money in royalties.

Fern
 

PJABBER

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But then it would cost us another trillion dollars to change all our flags, banners, paint jobs ect to just 49 stars. You guys didn't have enough to drink while thinking on this.

The Motley Fool entry addresses this by conjecturing the entry of Puerto Rico as the replacement 50th State. This is already being advocated by the non-PR citizens of Florida as a means of encouraging the repatriation the Nuyorican population back to the La Isla del Encanto.
 

PJABBER

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Why?

Let THEM pump all the oil?

We should just drill for the damn oil; the US gov will get about half (as usual) of the money in royalties.

Fern

Fern, Fern, Fern... that is way too practical a suggestion and entirely not in line with the Progressive agenda.
 

Blackjack200

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Fern, Fern, Fern... that is way too practical a suggestion and entirely not in line with the Progressive agenda.

What makes you think China could afford the $2 trillion anyway? Yeah, they might hold a lot of US obligations, but those obligations probably go a long way to stablizing their currency and financial systems.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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But then it would cost us another trillion dollars to change all our flags, banners, paint jobs ect to just 49 stars. You guys didn't have enough to drink while thinking on this.

We could just annex Iraq to keep the same number of states. You have to think on your feet to solve these kinds of problems!
 

ayabe

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The Motley Fool entry addresses this by conjecturing the entry of Puerto Rico as the replacement 50th State. This is already being advocated by the non-PR citizens of Florida as a means of encouraging the repatriation the Nuyorican population back to the La Isla del Encanto.

PR is a shithole and that won't change if it becomes a state, it'll just be Alabama with slightly more hispanic residents.

Not only that but about 1/3 of the tax base of Orlando and New York will suddenly evaporate.
 

marincounty

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"The local barfly on loan from the London School of Economics threw out the idea that we should do an asset sale.
Gold, mineral rights, what would work?"

Great idea, presently we receive nothing for gold mined in America. Foreign companies have been ripping us off for decades and Republicans have done nothing about it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21596460/
WASHINGTON - Not long after the Gold Rush, Congress passed a law meant to settle the West by letting prospectors stake claims and mine gold, silver and other minerals for free. It's survived essentially unchanged for 135 years.

A bill passed by the House on Thursday would change that by forcing the hard-rock mining industry to pay royalties on minerals extracted from public lands. Coal mining and the oil and gas industries already pay such royalties.

The bill, which passed 244-166, also would put new environmental controls on hard-rock mining, set up a cleanup fund for abandoned mines and permanently ban cheap sales of public lands for mining.

Under current law, public lands can be sold for mining for as little as $2.50 an acre, although Congress has enacted annual prohibitions on that in recent years.

"This is a pirate story with the public lands profiteers robbing the American people blind," said Rep. Nick Rahall, D-W.Va. "The robbery of American gold and silver must stop."

Republicans objected that the royalties would amount to a tax on an already struggling industry and would send jobs overseas to countries that use child labor.

In 1993, the House passed legislation imposing an 8 percent royalty, but agreement could never be reached with the Senate. The next year Republicans took control of the House and attempts to change the law were largely dropped. With Democrats back in charge this year, they and their environmentalist supporters see the best chance for change in years, though they still must contend with Reid.

Environmentalists say there are more than 500,000 abandoned hard-rock mines in the U.S. and cleaning them up would cost between $32 billion and $72 billion. The legislation would direct 70 percent of royalties collected under the bill to a cleanup fund, while the other 30 percent would go to a community impact fund.

Under an amendment by Heller agreed to Thursday, 50 percent of the money in the cleanup fund would be sent back to states where it's generated, while the other half would be distributed by the interior secretary.
 
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