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HomerJS

Lifer
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The evidence you just stated doesn't support your conclusion. If someone is upset about theft, clearly they care about it. That they aren't bemoaning the crimes you choose to focus on doesn't detract from their anger over other crimes.
Having been robbed 4 or 5 times, theft is a sore spot for me. It annoys me enough that I wonder if we shouldn't use corporal punishment instead of probation or a short jail sentence. Making theft legal hasn't worked out all that well, perhaps getting one's ass blistered would serve as a deterrent.

An even better solution would be insuring that every single person has a job and a place to live, but there would still be people that would rather steal than work.
I take your point but when Republicans have the stance, they are comfortable with high crimes as long as white Trumpers are committing them there is no place to go past that.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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I take your point but when Republicans have the stance, they are comfortable with high crimes as long as white Trumpers are committing them there is no place to go past that.
There is a clear divide between crimes committed in the political arena and crimes of a more personal nature. I get that because there is distance between the criminal and victim, it's not personal to anyone that isn't emotionally invested in the political landscape.
Back when Clinton was impeached for lying under oath is a great example. The right was screaming that he'd committed a crime, which it was, but the guy lied about banging an intern, any of us would have done the same thing. The point is that while it was a crime, it wasn't an abuse of power, and the victim was his wife.
If he'd have come clean (no pun intended) right from the start it would have been a personal embarrassment and nothing more.
 

fskimospy

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LOL JK its not really a problem! Weird.

Axios: Walgreens executive: "Maybe we cried too much" about shoplifting, thefts.
I don't understand their long term strategy here because to me it looks like they are going to destroy their business. I barely bother to go to Duane Reade/Walgreens anymore because half their stuff is locked up and staffing in the stores is so low you are sitting there waiting 5+ minutes for someone to come by and unlock it. Whenever I see those things I leave and either get it from somewhere without those locks or off Amazon.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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I barely bother to go to Duane Reade/Walgreens anymore because half their stuff is locked up and staffing in the stores is so low you are sitting there waiting 5+ minutes for someone to come by and unlock it. Whenever I see those things I leave and either get it from somewhere without those locks or off Amazon.

The problem is that liberal policies of catching and releasing criminals or not even bothering to stop or arrest them at all for things like stealing are turning the largest blue cities into slums. This is why people are fleeing liberal cities and moving to places like Texas where criminals are locked up, not products for sale on the counter.

Perhaps you should consider moving to our conservative paradise.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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The problem is that liberal policies of catching and releasing criminals or not even bothering to stop or arrest them at all for things like stealing are turning the largest blue cities into slums. This is why people are fleeing liberal cities and moving to places like Texas where criminals are locked up, not products for sale on the counter.

Perhaps you should consider moving to our conservative paradise.
now ask yourself, why would people steal what amounts to more or less basic care items? it's not like we're talking jewelry thefts and bank heists here for the purpose of getting rich quickly.

i'm sure texas' tough on crime stance is precisely the reason people are moving there. definitely not related to the cost of housing
and totally not bringing their liberal ideology with them, either. drop those politics and beliefs right at the border and live out in the rural areas. wait, what's that? the article states that most of those people end up moving to the major metropolitan areas of Texas instead of the utopia that is rural Texas? and they tend to be younger and more progressive? how can this be?
 
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IronWing

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Jul 20, 2001
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The problem is that liberal policies of catching and releasing criminals or not even bothering to stop or arrest them at all for things like stealing are turning the largest blue cities into slums. This is why people are fleeing liberal cities and moving to places like Texas where criminals are locked up, not products for sale on the counter.

Perhaps you should consider moving to our conservative paradise.
Texas doesn’t lock up criminals, they elect them.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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The problem is that liberal policies of catching and releasing criminals or not even bothering to stop or arrest them at all for things like stealing are turning the largest blue cities into slums. This is why people are fleeing liberal cities and moving to places like Texas where criminals are locked up, not products for sale on the counter.

Perhaps you should consider moving to our conservative paradise.
I’m sorry but standards of living in Texas are much too low for me. When I look at education standards, life expectancy, household income, and yes, crime rate, Texas performs poorly compared to liberal states. You think a slightly more convenient Duane Reade makes up for that? Lol.

If you would like me to consider moving there you guys are going to have to do better. As mentioned Texas has cheap housing, which I’m a big fan of, but everything else is just not up to snuff.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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The problem is that liberal policies of catching and releasing criminals or not even bothering to stop or arrest them at all for things like stealing are turning the largest blue cities into slums. This is why people are fleeing liberal cities and moving to places like Texas where criminals are locked up, not products for sale on the counter.

Perhaps you should consider moving to our conservative paradise.
The UK is way more liberal but we don't have all the shit in our stores locked up!
We do have better worker protections, a better welfare system and a national health service (if the Tories don't totally dismantle it) so maybe that's the difference?
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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The UK is way more liberal but we don't have all the shit in our stores locked up!
We do have better worker protections, a better welfare system and a national health service (if the Tories don't totally dismantle it) so maybe that's the difference?
you mean a system that meets people's needs means that people won't be destructive towards the society they live in? shocking :O
(also, there's the who guns thing here in the US...)

in the UK, the top 10% have about 50% of all wealth.
in the US, the top 10% have about 68% of all wealth.

on top of that, the bottom 50% are much better off in the UK vs US. From the same charts

UK bottom 50% - 5.9%
US bottom 50% - 3.2%

the middle 40% (50-90%)
UK - 45.6% of wealth
US - 36.9% of wealth

so the UK is also skewed, but not nearly as bad as the US.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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now ask yourself, why would people steal what amounts to more or less basic care items? it's not like we're talking jewelry thefts and bank heists here for the purpose of getting rich quickly.

i'm sure texas' tough on crime stance is precisely the reason people are moving there. definitely not related to the cost of housing
and totally not bringing their liberal ideology with them, either. drop those politics and beliefs right at the border and live out in the rural areas. wait, what's that? the article states that most of those people end up moving to the major metropolitan areas of Texas instead of the utopia that is rural Texas? and they tend to be younger and more progressive? how can this be?

People steal for various reasons none of which really matter. Crime is crime and criminals must be put under arrest no matter the circumstance. If you want money to buy things either get a job or stand on a street corner and beg for it. Better yet, apply for welfare or go to a food kitchen.

Once criminals get the message its ok to steal, their greed will know no limits. Eventually all items for sale will be locked up not the people who take them.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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I’m sorry but standards of living in Texas are much too low for me. When I look at education standards, life expectancy, household income, and yes, crime rate, Texas performs poorly compared to liberal states. You think a slightly more convenient Duane Reade makes up for that? Lol.

If you would like me to consider moving there you guys are going to have to do better. As mentioned Texas has cheap housing, which I’m a big fan of, but everything else is just not up to snuff.

Yes, Texas does have its short comings and the "average" smaller new home is $375,000 which is too expensive IMO when you could buy the same home just a few years ago for $200,000 or less.

I have lived here all my life and as more and more people have moved here everything has become congested with people everywhere. I remember the good ol' days when there were only 2 million people in DFW, now there are 6.5 million and growing daily.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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People steal for various reasons none of which really matter. Crime is crime and criminals must be put under arrest no matter the circumstance. If you want money to buy things either get a job or stand on a street corner and beg for it. Better yet, apply for welfare or go to a food kitchen.

Once criminals get the message its ok to steal, their greed will know no limits. Eventually all items for sale will be locked up not the people who take them.


Well that’s pretty short sided thinking but par for the course. Why address the heart of the issue when you can just keep coming up with policies that address the symptoms.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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The UK is way more liberal but we don't have all the shit in our stores locked up!
We do have better worker protections, a better welfare system and a national health service (if the Tories don't totally dismantle it) so maybe that's the difference?

You could have point. However your taxes are far too high to pay for all that socialism. Perhaps if you matched our tax rates and allowed everyone to own a gun it would be more appealing to Americans.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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The problem is that liberal policies of catching and releasing criminals or not even bothering to stop or arrest them at all for things like stealing are turning the largest blue cities into slums. This is why people are fleeing liberal cities and moving to places like Texas where criminals are locked up, not products for sale on the counter.

Perhaps you should consider moving to our conservative paradise.

The AG of Texas has been under investigation for 7 years. When is he going to be arrested?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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You could have point. However your taxes are far too high to pay for all that socialism. Perhaps if you matched our tax rates and allowed everyone to own a gun it would be more appealing to Americans.

Then it would be just another shit hole. I do love your narrow view of how the world works and your ability to form opinions with only a small set of facts. Btw, a lot of European countries that pay high taxes also earn a good deal more than Americans and they have lower crime rates.
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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The problem with the South, in my opinion, is egotistical defensiveness. They are still nursing the woulds of having lost the civil war. That creates a hostile meanness that pervades that society. And it is all such a stupidity that does not need to exist. Every Southern person isn't a Southerner first. He or she is a human being, something one can take equal pride or fault in equally to any other human being.

Cultural identification, geographical identification is a mental illness that exists when it becomes the alternative to organic innate self respect that was beaten out of us as children. Fuck all forms of self identification. Seek what is real and can't ever really be taken. Die to the bull shit clinging to the self that is product of conditioning.
 

Moonbeam

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Once there was a king, I read in a story, that decided to end poverty in his country by having all the poor people executed. Conservative thinking has been recognized for what it is for a very long time.
 
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Bitek

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