I don't think that your premise is wrong, but I also don't think that economic instability is the cause of racism nor that the solution to it is to fix the economy.
So I guess I'm siding with @agent00f in part here.
But I don't like his solution either. I mean, the whole point of racism is to support your own self/group identity by dehumanizing a whole class of people based on a common attribute and supporting it by cherry-picking bad people and assuming they represent the whole. How could the solution to that be dehumanizing a whole class of people (Republicans) based on a common attribute and supporting it by cherry-picking bad people and assuming they represent the whole?
Don't get me wrong. It is downright fucking terrifying what is going on in the Republican party, and the fact that anyone could seriously entertain the thought that legit mainstream politicians could support neo-Nazism is absolutely ludicrous. Everyday Republican citizens should be picketing the white house and leading the charge against neo-Nazism. But everyday Republicans also probably couldn't tell you what it means to be a Republican, who their congresspeople are, what Trump's political platform is, etc. etc. They're just people who have attached their normal moral values to a group identity of Republicanism. And like normal people, when they are made to feel threatened (unfortunately reinforced by their own media and politicians), they will preferably diminish the value perceived in others rather than themselves.
You do realize who are supporting these groups all over the world though, right? Both monetarily and with web sites most recently (when dailystormer moved to a russian state owned host) as well as with actual fake news and propaganda through social media.
It's super easy to tell if you are a Nazi. If you don't agree with every view of the Liberal establishment, you are a Nazi or any other negative buzzword of the day.
It's super easy to tell if you are a Nazi. If you don't agree with every view of the Liberal establishment, you are a Nazi or any other negative buzzword of the day.
Does that not rather presume that the economic bad times are just periodic cycles or random events, rather than being any kind of very long term ongoing trend? It also seems to omit any analysis of where the racism came from and how it has historically been intertwined with the economic system.
There's like no structural analysis there, rather its all just about timeless bad ideas in people's heads, that are just 'there' ready to come out or not. A sort of original sin. And the economic system is just rendered invisible in that take.
Edit - I know its probably fatal to admit to any doubt or confusion in these arguments, but I'm admitting it, and this point is close to the heart of what I'm unsure about. There's something 'thin' about your explanation of events here.
I don't think that your premise is wrong, but I also don't think that economic instability is the cause of racism nor that the solution to it is to fix the economy.
"Original sin" is to biblical creation as tribalism is to evolution (aka "reality.") So tribalism is our original evolutionary sin. In the social context, there are myriad complex reasons why tribalism divides along certain fissures, and the specific ways the various in/out groups perceive each other. But that is a complex subject. Every form of bigotry, be it anti-semitism, white on black racism, etc. has its own pedigree and unique history. Anti-semitism alone goes back about 2000 years. You are asking for - I was going to say a term paper - but it's more like a master thesis.
My point was simple. If racism exists, for whatever reason, it's going to tend to fluctuate up and down with economic conditions. Which is true. There is plenty written about this.
This. Although I will admit that as a Gawker company, I expected this to be a broad smear. This article was incredibly restrained. There probably are people failing this test that I would consider to be Neo-Nazies.Is this shit some new trend millennials have decided to pick up on? Like Satan worship? Why is it even a topic, what have been the Neo Nazi activity and population trends been over the years? I'd like to see some proof these people who hold a 200-300 person protest even matter. Talk of them appears to suddenly dominate culture with the 2016 election, but they're a few pawn scum. How are they important?
- Do you regularly tweet the 14 Words?
- Never heard of them.
- Do you say “Hitler did nothing wrong”?
- What did he do right?
- Have you attended a rally with people giving Hitler salutes?
- I'd have to go outside....
- Do you shout “hail victory” while carrying a torch in public?
- I do not know or associate with anyone dumb enough to give Nazi salutes. Also, see above...
- Do you deny that the Holocaust happened?
- Nor do I know or associate with anyone dumb enough to do that. History is important.
- Do you believe America’s treatment of Nazis was worse than the Holocaust?
- The !@#$? Germany should be thankful it ended before Japan.
- Do you publish photos of Jewish people you disagree with in gas chambers?
- Can't say the thought ever crossed my mind...
- Do you have a photo of Joseph Goebbels in your Twitter header?
- Not interested...
- Have you marched with people who physically assault others because of their race?
- Never marched, and a just society protects people.
He massacred people who fell outside any of his preferred criteria. Slavs are super white and also predominantly Christian, yet the Nazis considered them subhuman and systematically starved the slav captives not used for slave labor. On the other hand, they had respect for the Brits and even the French and Americans were considered human. Trying to make sense of Nazi logic is useless.Nice satire article, this is my fav part:
I didnt know hitler was knwon for selectively only killing nonwhite jews, I was always told that he massacred people based on religion not skin color......
He massacred people who fell outside any of his preferred criteria. Slavs are super white and also predominantly Christian, yet the Nazis considered them subhuman and systematically starved the slav captives not used for slave labor. On the other hand, they had respect for the Brits and even the French and Americans were considered human. Trying to make sense of Nazi logic is useless.
lol Almost. That is elegantly understated. Good point about the Brits, although the French and Italians also had racist empires. Clearly the Brits were better at it though.The Nazis were relatively sympathetic to Islam, mind you. Himmler said positive things about the faith. And there was a Bosnian Muslim division in the SS.
They also of course played on the anti-black racism of the Americans in their propaganda, attacking the Americans for their wicked racism.
And of course one reason they admired the British was for having an Empire, as I guess they recognised and respected the racist ideology behind it.
It's almost as if their ideology wasn't very well thought-through and didn't really make a lot of sense.
Just look at your colleagues:
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and starbuck was there earlier to parrot the president that racism is due to lack of jobs. And of course you know what Jhhnn does.
lol Almost. That is elegantly understated. Good point about the Brits, although the French and Italians also had racist empires. Clearly the Brits were better at it though.
I suspect we'd all agree that the Nazi love for Islam was of the "these guys are useful, let's kill them last" variety. Sort of a whole subcontinent of quislings.
No, if you're a Nazi you are a Nazi, that is how to tell.
For the left it's all in the gut. If you give off a negative vibe, you're probably a nazi. Notice how none of the indicators are actually indicators of being a nazi. Maybe it's all satire. If so, I apologize.
I mean, the whole point of racism is to support your own self/group identity by dehumanizing a whole class of people based on a common attribute and supporting it by cherry-picking bad people and assuming they represent the whole. How could the solution to that be dehumanizing a whole class of people (Republicans) based on a common attribute and supporting it by cherry-picking bad people and assuming they represent the whole?
So terrible that the far left is dehumanizing a whole class of people (Nazis and the Klan) based on a common attribute and supporting it by cherry-picking bad people and assuming they represent the whole? They never talk about the fine people marching & protecting Nazis and the Klan.
What is it that I do, anyway?
It would be helpful if you could quote me so that people can see the unfiltered version.
I mean, your cognitive filters are such that whatever goes in comes out the other side raving about degens & their supposed enablers.
Come now. Guys like @agent00f notwithstanding, this is ridiculous. Can we stop making enemies of each other for the sake of it?
Those people are wrong. And although the everyday Republican isn't marching or protecting them, they are not actively shutting down their affiliation with them either. I hope there is a Republic leader who can provide a safe place within their core identity to actively reject White Supremacists.
I agree with you that it is wrong and troubling that people need such a leader to guide them to rejection of such heinousness. Then again, human beings are so very, very weak. If we did not place such high expectations on ourselves, we might be better at reaching them.
Just as you'll demonstrate alongside this guy trying his best to make excuses for why his party reliably carries water for the nazis/klan, group who're totally no big deal as you agreed with before actually liberals didn't.
@Jhhnn does get hyperbolic and I think in an unaware way.
But was that last part directed to me? I am not a Republican and I do not carry water for the Klan or Nazis. I would be very pleased if Republicans made it crystal clear that these groups are not to be bedfellows, explicitly or implicitly. They have failed to cut them out, and I did not appreciate their size or power, but they should have no support in Washington from anyone.
agent says they are like that because it is to their advantage to be like that, but the advantage must not be seen as a universal because, from where I stand at least, you and many others are not like that. Why do you think honk that is? Why do some practice self deception and are clawless about the hypocrisy they are capable of and others will engage in self examination?I don't think that your premise is wrong, but I also don't think that economic instability is the cause of racism nor that the solution to it is to fix the economy.
So I guess I'm siding with @agent00f in part here.
But I don't like his solution either. I mean, the whole point of racism is to support your own self/group identity by dehumanizing a whole class of people based on a common attribute and supporting it by cherry-picking bad people and assuming they represent the whole. How could the solution to that be dehumanizing a whole class of people (Republicans) based on a common attribute and supporting it by cherry-picking bad people and assuming they represent the whole?
Don't get me wrong. It is downright fucking terrifying what is going on in the Republican party, and the fact that anyone could seriously entertain the thought that legit mainstream politicians could support neo-Nazism is absolutely ludicrous. Everyday Republican citizens should be picketing the white house and leading the charge against neo-Nazism. But everyday Republicans also probably couldn't tell you what it means to be a Republican, who their congresspeople are, what Trump's political platform is, etc. etc. They're just people who have attached their normal moral values to a group identity of Republicanism. And like normal people, when they are made to feel threatened (unfortunately reinforced by their own media and politicians), they will preferably diminish the value perceived in others rather than themselves.
You reliably help with their protection of white nationalism with excuses on econ or whatever other gop suggestion. It's a complete fucking trump level disgrace that you'll even try to deny this. Just as you'll demonstrate alongside this guy trying his best to make excuses for why his party reliably carries water for the nazis/klan, groups who're totally no big deal as you agreed with before actual liberals didn't.
Thinking one knows the totally obvious is the default conservative brain state. If truth were totally obvious everybody would know it, not just the billions of only ones who think they do. Truth is in fact so totally obvious that it is completely misses by people who make that assumption they just know what it is. You are engaged in a form of low level thinking such that the obvious rolls off your tongue like saliva.I made everything directed at you more explicit above. Seems more than obvious enough totally-not-conservatives will do what they can to help their brethren get the kiddy glove treatment.