How to Tell If You Are a Neo-Nazi

[agent00f]

agent00f,

And you're calling a condemnation a promotion. Yes, it could have been stronger, but it was still a condemnation. You think Duke's delusions are substantive? The White House later clarified with stronger words and direct attribution. Seems to me you are more interested in lying when the facts don't add up.

Come on Agent, where's the substance? Where is the promotion from Trump?

Odd to keep shilling for him so hard when the klan are already pretty happy with their guy. Esp. after pretending there's no love lost all this time.

 

[jackstar7]

agent00f,

And you're calling a condemnation a promotion. Yes, it could have been stronger, but it was still a condemnation. You think Duke's delusions are substantive? The White House later clarified with stronger words and direct attribution. Seems to me you are more interested in lying when the facts don't add up.

Come on Agent, where's the substance? Where is the promotion from Trump?

You are choosing weird ground to stand on.

 

[HomerJS]

Did you equate the Allies and Nazis as "violence on both sides"?

 

[ivwshane]

agent00f,

And you're calling a condemnation a promotion. Yes, it could have been stronger, but it was still a condemnation. You think Duke's delusions are substantive? The White House later clarified with stronger words and direct attribution. Seems to me you are more interested in lying when the facts don't add up.

Come on Agent, where's the substance? Where is the promotion from Trump?

Do you find that people who apologize to you and then finish their apology with a "but...", are sincere?

Do you think any rally or movement by the kkk or nazis, alt right etc, should be described as "fine people exercising their rights"?

Your hang up seems to be that because these groups represent a small minority of people that we should ignore their actions. Do you have a problem calling out extremist Muslim terrorists? I bet you don't. The size of this movement shouldn't matter when it comes to whether or not hate should be condemned roundly.

I suggest you take a look at yourself and figure out why you are defending the indefensible because history doesn't bode well when people like you exist when movements like the one we just witnessed creep up.

 

[Zorba]

Based on the following information it appears they were counting the number of groups... not their size(s) and the increase is on account of two large ones dissolving. In total, a report by ADL says, estimating that there are about 3,000 Klansmen nationwide. I suppose those numbers don't count other reported Supremacists.

So in reality... got nothing saying they're a big deal. My description of "a few pawn scum" holds. Someone help me understand this dire threat to our civilization that requires 24/7 news coverage for years at a time.

Fascism is not Racism, although the two can certainly be mutual friends, as have been in the past.

What has Trump said or done to promote these groups?

Although the pure numbers are pretty low of people who are so far pro-nazi/KKK that they actually join groups and travel across the country to rallies. I think people that are sympathetic to the white supremacy beliefs is much higher. The extreme extremist are also the most likely to carry out terrorism and actively recruit more people to their cause.

How many people do you think are in Black Block in the US? Maybe 1,000? Yet they cause of a lot of issues as well.

Further, it is an issue now because they feel emboldened by Trump, so they have crawled out of their holes to spew their hate.

 

[cytg111]

Meh, the Dutch are fine, the Polacks are the problem.

Dont forget the Swedes...

 

[xthetenth]

Why is it that the conservative community has a much harder time denouncing their violent extremists than the Muslim community?

 

[cytg111]

Why is it that the conservative community has a much harder time denouncing their violent extremists than the Muslim community?

Haha, true that... for ages its been "why dont moderate muslims blabla...." - and now? Nothing. The hypocrisy is mindboggling.

 

[cbrunny]

• Do you regularly tweet the 14 Words?
  • Never heard of them.
• Do you say “Hitler did nothing wrong”?
  • What did he do right?
• Have you attended a rally with people giving Hitler salutes?
  • I'd have to go outside....
• Do you shout “hail victory” while carrying a torch in public?
  • I do not know or associate with anyone dumb enough to give Nazi salutes. Also, see above...
• Do you deny that the Holocaust happened?
  • Nor do I know or associate with anyone dumb enough to do that. History is important.
• Do you believe America’s treatment of Nazis was worse than the Holocaust?
  • The !@#$? Germany should be thankful it ended before Japan.
• Do you publish photos of Jewish people you disagree with in gas chambers?
  • Can't say the thought ever crossed my mind...
• Do you have a photo of Joseph Goebbels in your Twitter header?
  • Not interested...
• Have you marched with people who physically assault others because of their race?
  • Never marched, and a just society protects people.

Is this shit some new trend millennials have decided to pick up on? Like Satan worship? Why is it even a topic, what have been the Neo Nazi activity and population trends been over the years? I'd like to see some proof these people who hold a 200-300 person protest even matter. Talk of them appears to suddenly dominate culture with the 2016 election, but they're a few pawn scum. How are they important?

what do millennials have to do with this?

 

[woolfe9998]

agent00f,

And you're calling a condemnation a promotion. Yes, it could have been stronger, but it was still a condemnation. You think Duke's delusions are substantive? The White House later clarified with stronger words and direct attribution. Seems to me you are more interested in lying when the facts don't add up.

Come on Agent, where's the substance? Where is the promotion from Trump?

The White House's "clarifications" are irrelevant PR bullshit. The only thing that matters is what Trump says, particularly when he is speaking unscripted. And what he has and hasn't said is a matter of public record. Trump is a full blown apologist for Nazis and white supremacists. He goes out of his way to minimize their transgressions. He draws ridiculous false equivalencies. Did you know that the Nazis had a permit to march there and the counter protesters did not? And the Nazis drive cooler cars, too.

As to Trump's supporters, they are not all racists, but the amount of racism there is non-trivial. It's a large part of his base. If his xenophobic stances in relation to Mexicans and Muslims were not such big drivers here, he wouldn't have been elected. Sure, plenty of non-racist republicans voted for him just like they vote for every other republican candidate. But Trump's high turnouts among white working class voters were clearly because his bigoted messaging resonated with many of them.

 

[Puffnstuff]

• Do you regularly tweet the 14 Words?
  • Never heard of them.
• Do you say “Hitler did nothing wrong”?
  • What did he do right?
• Have you attended a rally with people giving Hitler salutes?
  • I'd have to go outside....
• Do you shout “hail victory” while carrying a torch in public?
  • I do not know or associate with anyone dumb enough to give Nazi salutes. Also, see above...
• Do you deny that the Holocaust happened?
  • Nor do I know or associate with anyone dumb enough to do that. History is important.
• Do you believe America’s treatment of Nazis was worse than the Holocaust?
  • The !@#$? Germany should be thankful it ended before Japan.
• Do you publish photos of Jewish people you disagree with in gas chambers?
  • Can't say the thought ever crossed my mind...
• Do you have a photo of Joseph Goebbels in your Twitter header?
  • Not interested...
• Have you marched with people who physically assault others because of their race?
  • Never marched, and a just society protects people.

Is this shit some new trend millennials have decided to pick up on? Like Satan worship? Why is it even a topic, what have been the Neo Nazi activity and population trends been over the years? I'd like to see some proof these people who hold a 200-300 person protest even matter. Talk of them appears to suddenly dominate culture with the 2016 election, but they're a few pawn scum. How are they important?

I fail all of them too.

 

[WHAMPOM]

AH! You voted for Trump? The rest of the questions are just gilding the Lily.

 

[pmv]

He was just as hard on the Romani, people ethnically distinct from their European neighbors just as Jews were.

The genocide of the Jews was quite clearly based on ideas of race rather than religion in any case. Even Jews who had converted were decreed to still be Jewish and hence subject to the same treatment as the others. I seem to remember reading that some Christian clerics co-operated in this and agreed that Jewish converts were not really Christians. And while many groups were sent to the death camps, the Nazis seemed to put Jewish people at the bottom of their grotesque hierarchy. They even gave up entirely on exterminating the disabled after too many Germans objected in that case - killing other groups proved less unpopular with the populace.

 

[agent00f]

Why is it that the conservative community has a much harder time denouncing their violent extremists than the Muslim community?

Literally that whole charlottesville thread is nothing but all the conservatives here (even the totally-not-conservative ones) doing their best to protect the nazis/klan in the footsteps of dear leader, throwing themselves in front of that bus to save their friends.

Figures why richard spencer, duke & co are so very pleased right now knowing the whole GOP base got their back.

 

[soundforbjt]

Literally that whole charlottesville thread is nothing but all the conservatives here (even the totally-not-conservative ones) doing their best to defend the nazis/klan in the footsteps of dear leader, throwing themselves in front of that bus to save their friends.

Figures why richard spencer, duke & co are so very pleased right now knowing the whole GOP establishment got their back.

That's why Trump doesn't do anything but play to his base, he knows repubs will follow along as long as they get their agenda through.

 

[interchange]

There are plenty of nazi apologists here ready with all the usual excuse that it was the bad economy to blame and so on. So of them even pretend to be liberal.

Care to elaborate?

 

[agent00f]

Care to elaborate?

Just look at your colleagues:

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...ity-of-virginia.2515434/page-79#post-39041274

and starbuck was there earlier to parrot the president that racism is due to lack of jobs. And of course you know what Jhhnn does.

 

[interchange]

Just look at your colleagues:

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...ity-of-virginia.2515434/page-79#post-39041274

and starbuck was there earlier to parrot the president that racism is due to lack of jobs. And of course you know what Jhhnn does.

Why do you call them "my colleagues"? And I'm not sure what @realibrad is saying that makes him a Hitler apologist. Seems prudent to understand everything about Hitler's rise to power to try to prevent such a similar danger from repeating itself, or at least mitigate it when it does. I'm honestly not educated enough on the subject to render an opinion on how exactly Hitler came to power. But I don't think "racism" is a sufficient answer either.

 

[agent00f]

Why do you call them "my colleagues"? And I'm not sure what @realibrad is saying that makes him a Hitler apologist. Seems prudent to understand everything about Hitler's rise to power to try to prevent such a similar danger from repeating itself, or at least mitigate it when it does. I'm honestly not educated enough on the subject to render an opinion on how exactly Hitler came to power. But I don't think "racism" is a sufficient answer either.

If you're capable of reading more than one post, you'll also see him doing everything else he can to kiddy glove the charlottesville rally fans. Economics is just a popular excuse for people looking to distract the best they can from self-interested right wing ideals.

But I understand, this is all too complicated for a big word enthusiast such as yourself.

 

[interchange]

If you're capable of reading more than one post, you'll also see him doing everything else he can to kiddy glove the charlottesville rally fans. Economics is just a popular excuse for people looking to distract the best they can from self-interested right wing ideals.

But I understand, this is all too complicated for a big word enthusiast such as yourself.

79 pages is a lot. But I'll read them and try to understand. And please dispose of the insults.

 

[Moonbeam]

But Trump's high turnouts among white working class voters were clearly because his bigoted messaging resonated with many of them.

Do you think it's racism against race or racism as connected to sone race stealing jobs. What do you Imagine the reaction would be if millions of Europeans were flooding into the country willing to work for nothing? I mention it because it's hare to fix real racial bias than economic insecurity in terms of knowing what would solve the issue.

 

[woolfe9998]

Do you think it's racism against race or racism as connected to sone race stealing jobs.

No, your either/or is a false dichotomy.

What do you Imagine the reaction would be if millions of Europeans were flooding into the country willing to work for nothing? I mention it because it's hare to fix real racial bias than economic insecurity in terms of knowing what would solve the issue.

The way this has worked, now and historically, is that you have a certain amount of racism in a culture, and it goes through periods where it ebbs and flows. Typically, the racism is somewhat latent in good economic times, but becomes activated when people feel economically insecure. When that happens, they will look to the traditional scapegoats to blame. It's what happened in Germany with the Jews. It's happening right now (on a smaller scale) between the white working class and immigrants of non-European decent. If the economy truly tanks, it will get worse.

In answer to your question, promoting real economic security will likely move the racism into another state of periodic latency. It will not remove the underlying sentiment. People will still stand ready to scapegoat the usual suspects the moment things go bad again.

 

[Puffnstuff]

While I don't care much for neo-nazi's I do love me some Neapolitan ice cream.

 

[pmv]

No, your either/or is a false dichotomy.



The way this has worked, now and historically, is that you have a certain amount of racism in a culture, and it goes through periods where it ebbs and flows. Typically, the racism is somewhat latent in good economic times, but becomes activated when people feel economically insecure. When that happens, they will look to the traditional scapegoats to blame. It's what happened in Germany with the Jews. It's happening right now (on a smaller scale) between the white working class and immigrants of non-European decent. If the economy truly tanks, it will get worse.

In answer to your question, promoting real economic security will likely move the racism into another state of periodic latency. It will not remove the underlying sentiment. People will still stand ready to scapegoat the usual suspects the moment things go bad again.

Does that not rather presume that the economic bad times are just periodic cycles or random events, rather than being any kind of very long term ongoing trend? It also seems to omit any analysis of where the racism came from and how it has historically been intertwined with the economic system.

There's like no structural analysis there, rather its all just about timeless bad ideas in people's heads, that are just 'there' ready to come out or not. A sort of original sin. And the economic system is just rendered invisible in that take.

Edit - I know its probably fatal to admit to any doubt or confusion in these arguments, but I'm admitting it, and this point is close to the heart of what I'm unsure about. There's something 'thin' about your explanation of events here.

 

[interchange]

The way this has worked, now and historically, is that you have a certain amount of racism in a culture, and it goes through periods where it ebbs and flows. Typically, the racism is somewhat latent in good economic times, but becomes activated when people feel economically insecure. When that happens, they will look to the traditional scapegoats to blame. It's what happened in Germany with the Jews. It's happening right now (on a smaller scale) between the white working class and immigrants of non-European decent. If the economy truly tanks, it will get worse.

In answer to your question, promoting real economic security will likely move the racism into another state of periodic latency. It will not remove the underlying sentiment. People will still stand ready to scapegoat the usual suspects the moment things go bad again.

I don't think that your premise is wrong, but I also don't think that economic instability is the cause of racism nor that the solution to it is to fix the economy.

So I guess I'm siding with @agent00f in part here.

But I don't like his solution either. I mean, the whole point of racism is to support your own self/group identity by dehumanizing a whole class of people based on a common attribute and supporting it by cherry-picking bad people and assuming they represent the whole. How could the solution to that be dehumanizing a whole class of people (Republicans) based on a common attribute and supporting it by cherry-picking bad people and assuming they represent the whole?

Don't get me wrong. It is downright fucking terrifying what is going on in the Republican party, and the fact that anyone could seriously entertain the thought that legit mainstream politicians could support neo-Nazism is absolutely ludicrous. Everyday Republican citizens should be picketing the white house and leading the charge against neo-Nazism. But everyday Republicans also probably couldn't tell you what it means to be a Republican, who their congresspeople are, what Trump's political platform is, etc. etc. They're just people who have attached their normal moral values to a group identity of Republicanism. And like normal people, when they are made to feel threatened (unfortunately reinforced by their own media and politicians), they will preferably diminish the value perceived in others rather than themselves.