How to train for marksmanship?

Jmmsbnd007

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I'm in marksmanship at school, and we hold out 5 lb pellet pistols at full arm's length. This puts a large strain on my total arm and causes my aim to be very shaky. How can I correct this? Arm curls? How many/how? How long will it take before I start to be able to shoot better?
 

Maleficus

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Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007
Fine. I'll just go kill myself now. :|

try and riochet the bullet off like 10 different items , when you hit yourself you will be a master marksman or really (un)lucky depending on how you look at it.
 

gentobu

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Lifting weights should help, but the only way you are going to get better is to keep shooting (obviously). If they let you take the guns home, you should practice holding the gun while you are watching tv or something. Yes, it will look weird, but it will help. Here are some shooting tips my coach gave me:

Use your natural point of aim; hold the gun and aim at the target. close your eyes and relax (dont go limp, but just relax a little) for a few seconds, when you open them you will find that the position of the gun has changed adjust your body (not your hand) so that you are on target again.

Follow through. Remember that you are using AIR GUNS. The pellets dont leave the barrel very quickly so any movement after you pull the trigger could send them off course. Squeeze the trigger and hold the gun in place.

Call your shot. During your follow through you should have some idea as to where on the target you just hit.

Most importantly: Forget about your last shot. If you hit the 1 ring or the 10, just forget about it, and move on to the next target. If you constatly dwell on your past shots you will be putting yourself under more pressure, and you will not shoot as well. If you shot a 1, forget about it, because there's nothing you can do that will change that. Its the same if you shot a perfect bullseye. If you dwell on it you are going to put more pressure on yourself to do it again, and you probably wont (trust me I know).
 

Jmmsbnd007

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Can't take the pistols home...
I am a great aimer, so far I am on par with everyone else with this horribly shaky aim. Today I shot 20 shots (no time for 30), 16/20 hit. Most of them were a bit low, but I think that was because I was jerking my trigger a bit plus obviously my arm was shaking like none other and getting tired.
 
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Lift weights. I have the same problem, arms shake so bad I can't hit dick with heavy guns. Pistols are fine though. I'm just not strong enough (well maybe my right arm is ). Try just lifting weights and seeing if that helps, I'm almost sure it will (and report back here, I'm too lazy to test it myself). I've shot in Garand matches and they are some of the heaviest bastards out there and gets hard to hold it still. My arms don't get tired, I just can't keep it straight.
 

Jmmsbnd007

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Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Lift weights. I have the same problem, arms shake so bad I can't hit dick with heavy guns. Pistols are fine though. I'm just not strong enough (well maybe my right arm is ). Try just lifting weights and seeing if that helps, I'm almost sure it will (and report back here, I'm too lazy to test it myself). I've shot in Garand matches and they are some of the heaviest bastards out there and gets hard to hold it still. My arms don't get tired, I just can't keep it straight.
How long did it take you to build up your muscle to an acceptable level?
 
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Originally posted by: BigPotato
Mr Bond.

Ask Q. I'm sure he has lots of tips

Ahhh, Q-tips, har har!

I haven't done it yet Bond, I need someone to do it and report back Then I'll do it myself
 

ShadowDJ

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That's a heavy air pistol! my crossman 760 rifle weighs 2.5 lbs. The .22 I'm lusting after is only 5.5. Lifting weights would help.
 

notfred

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get a rifle instead. I could shoot more accurately w/ a 1911 .45 than I could with a pellet pistol. I dunno, I could just never aim that damn thing.
 
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Originally posted by: notfred
get a rifle instead. I could shoot more accurately w/ a 1911 .45 than I could with a pellet pistol. I dunno, I could just never aim that damn thing.

His school may not be too fond of him bringing a rifle to a pellet gun range.
 

mcveigh

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1)lift weights, especially shoulders and forearms.
2)remember with pistol shooting sight alignment is the most important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3) see above
4)see 2
5)trigger control

<- USMC marksmanship instructor
 
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Just out of curiosity, what kind of pistols are these? I can scarcely imagine shooting a pistol that weighed 5 pounds - I get a bit fatigued shooting a 2.5-pound M9 after dozens of rounds.
 

tcsenter

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You need to have an experienced shooting instructor take a look at your technique. What you're complaining of is fatigue. In addition to strength issues, fatigue can be caused by overcompensating for a control problem by squeezing the gun too firmly. I learned this because I have a congenital problem in my wrists called collateral ligament laxity, or commonly referred to as "limp wrist". No, not that kind of limp wrist...

Basically, I am either missing ligaments in my wrist that give support to the joint, or they are very lax and do not provide good support to the wrist joint. You can actually see this by fixating my hand then moving my forearm, the bones in the wrist "float" a lot more than they should. Kinda hard to imagine it unless you see it, but everyone thinks its 'gross' when I do it. haha

The result of this is that when I fire a handgun, there is an inordinate amount of play in the wrist joint, causing movement and articulations in the joint that shouldn't happen. So the energy from the recoil is not transfered well through the wrist joint into my forearm and upper body. This kills my control and invariably makes me "squeeze" the dickens out of the frame to compensate. It also causes quite a bit of pain as my carpal and wrist bones 'slam' together during recoil. Because I'm gripping the frame like nobody's business, my arms and hands get fatigued fast.

It took me forever to figure out why people with half my upper body strength were better shooters, had better control than me, and could shoot longer without fatigue. I happened to shake hands one day with an orthopedic surgeon and he felt my wrist bones 'clunk' together loudly. The 'clunk' transferred through his hand. He was like, "What the hell was that?" I shrugged my shoulders and said my wrists always do that.

So he picks my wrist up and starts manipulating it. After about ten seconds he was like, "Hey this is cool! I haven't seen this since I was a resident." I'm like, you haven't seen what? So then he starts explaining this ligament condition and has to invite two other orthopedic residents to come play around with my wrists.

Anyway, I asked him how that would affect my shooting, and he said it would probably make it very difficult if not painful. I was like..."ah-ha!" (light bulb over my head lights up).

Lifting weights will help if your fatigue is caused in any significant way by strength issues. Exercises that strengthen the upper body particularly your shoulders, forearms and pecks, should help.
 

Pliablemoose

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Another component is breathing, take a deep breath, let 1/2 of it out, hold it & fire.

I was in Rifle Club in HS for 3 years.
 

Jmmsbnd007

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Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Just out of curiosity, what kind of pistols are these? I can scarcely imagine shooting a pistol that weighed 5 pounds - I get a bit fatigued shooting a 2.5-pound M9 after dozens of rounds.
Daisy model 747. It supposedly only weighs about 2.5 pounds, but trust me, it's a lot heavier, around the 4-5 lb range. I'm doing weight stuff and so far it's actually improved in a day
Edit: I can't believe I spelled "weighs" "ways"!
 
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