How will the presidential election winner be determined?

[MtnMan]

There are three paths to determining who wins the Presidential election.

1. The Electoral College
2. The Supreme Court of the US
3. The House of Representatives

In 2000 the Supreme Court gave the election to GW Bush (R). Jeb Bush removed over 90,000 black voters from the roles in FL, which got Bush within 600 votes. Roger Stone (remember him) got the count stopped in FL with the help of lawyers who were later appointed to the SCOTUS as a reward, Amy Coney Barrett, John Roberts and Brett M. Kavanaugh by Bush and Trump. The court was 5-4 then, now 6-3.

In 1824 the House elected John Quincy Adams president even though Andrew Jackson won the popular vote.

In 1876 the House established an Electoral Commission which awarded Electoral College votes from 4 contested states (FL, SC, LA, and OR) to Rutherford B. Hayes (R) which gave him the presidency.

In all 3 cases where either SCOTUS or the House determined who won the election, the eventual winner lost the popular vote. Twice when the winner was determined by the Electoral college, the winner did not win the popular vote, 1888 Cleveland/Harrison and 2016 Clinton/Trump

 

[Stokely]

No idea when it comes to those rule-based pathways.

If I had to guess, EC followed by either 1) another attempted coup and bleats of "cheating" if Harris wins or 2) acceptance if Trump wins

They way I look at it in a more organic sense, the election will be decided by either:
- stupidity and ignorance
or
- overcoming stupidity and ignorance, but only barely

 

[Fenixgoon]

No idea when it comes to those rule-based pathways.

If I had to guess, EC followed by either 1) another attempted coup and bleats of "cheating" if Harris wins or 2) acceptance if Trump wins

They way I look at it in a more organic sense, the election will be decided by either:
- stupidity and ignorance
or
- overcoming stupidity and ignorance, but only barely

agreed. i think if harris wins, it's going to be a clear EC win. and there will be another attempted coup.

if trump wins, democrats will accept the loss.

 

[Indus]

Where's the you'll be deported to Russia to be sent to the front for the grinder option?

Because that's what's coming with the mass deportations!

You think your birth certificate or some piece of paper saying you're a citizen will save you?

 

[Ken g6]

I've read that, even if Harris wins the EC, if Republicans win the House, they might be able to vote to reject enough EC votes that the election would go to a House vote. Which is one reason why we need to vote Dems into the House.

 

[mikeymikec]

I sincerely hope that the US government is ready to put down another coup attempt which is without doubt already being planned. Though if another coup is attempted and stopped, considering that SCOTUS is fundamentally compromised, a pretty radical conclusion is required.

 

[Pens1566]

I went SCOTUS because I think there will absolutely be some sort of legal challenge put forth that they'll have to decide, either with a decision or a denial of cert.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I'm going with SCOTUS, Harris will take the EC, local courts will find 'irregularities', fast tracked lawsuits will get to SC within days, SC will declare Trump winner in key states.

 

[gothuevos]

I'm going with SCOTUS, Harris will take the EC, local courts will find 'irregularities', fast tracked lawsuits will get to SC within days, SC will declare Trump winner in key states.

So this would rip the country apart.

 

[eelw]

agreed. i think if harris wins, it's going to be a clear EC win. and there will be another attempted coup.

if trump wins, democrats will accept the loss.

No, the orange monkey doesn’t have the votes to squeak out an EC win. It will require state representatives rejecting the votes and declaring he won.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

So this would rip the country apart.

I'm not convinced Kamala winning legitimately won't, either.

 

[Pens1566]

I'm not convinced Kamala winning legitimately won't, either.

Exactly. Obama winning melted their brains. I shudder to think what a black woman winning would do to them ...

 

[Indus]

So this would rip the country apart.

Where the fuck have you been these past 9 years?

I posted that 9 years ago.. it's quite trippy to see what I saw coming and the rest thought I was smoking some good weed.

How does America stop it's destruction from Trump ripping it apart at the very seams

This guy is just attacking anything and everything about America from our very constitution to our harmony. It really seems that trying to reason with his crazies is like trying to argue with a parrot. It might have seemed funny, entertainment at one point but when people are actually...

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[Fenixgoon]

I'm not convinced Kamala winning legitimately won't, either.

Exactly. Obama winning melted their brains. I shudder to think what a black woman would do to them ...

Fair points...

 

[MtnMan]

So this would rip the country apart.

That is the end game of the MAGA party. They will not rest until the US Constitution has been replaced with their manifesto... err, I mean Project 2025.

 

[nakedfrog]

Where the fuck have you been these past 9 years?

I posted that 9 years ago.. it's quite trippy to see what I saw coming and the rest thought I was smoking some good weed.

How does America stop it's destruction from Trump ripping it apart at the very seams

This guy is just attacking anything and everything about America from our very constitution to our harmony. It really seems that trying to reason with his crazies is like trying to argue with a parrot. It might have seemed funny, entertainment at one point but when people are actually...

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Well, when you say things like this...

Where's the you'll be deported to Russia to be sent to the front for the grinder option?

Because that's what's coming with the mass deportations!

You think your birth certificate or some piece of paper saying you're a citizen will save you?

...it seems pretty reasonable to try and guess at WTF is going on in your head.

 

[HomerJS]

Here is my response...

If Harris wins EC
If Trump wins SCOTUS
If it goes to the House Trump wins because of one state one vote.

 

[Indus]

Well, when you say things like this...

...it seems pretty reasonable to try and guess at WTF is going on in your head.

I don't take religious zealots lightly. I was very young but I remember what they're capable of. I still have PTSD from my childhood of what the Islamic zealots did to me and my family. And in your own words.. these Christian nationalists are exactly the same as those Islamic zealots.



Now I've not been in combat personally but I do work in healthcare and I've seen the deployed come back and talk about PTSD and not trusting situations/ people around them.. They're still hyper sensitive about their surroundings.. and they don't think they can go back to normal..

That's exactly what is going on in my head.

 

[gothuevos]

Here is my response...

If Harris wins EC
If Trump wins SCOTUS
If it goes to the House Trump wins because of one state one vote.

So what's even the point of elections anymore?

Surprised at how many people in this thread are resigned to the notion that either SCOTUS or a House vote will install Trump.

And you called me a bedwetter.

 

[nakedfrog]

I don't take religious zealots lightly. I was very young but I remember what they're capable of. I still have PTSD from my childhood of what the Islamic zealots did to me and my family. And in your own words.. these Christian nationalists are exactly the same as those Islamic zealots.



Now I've not been in combat personally but I do work in healthcare and I've seen the deployed come back and talk about PTSD and not trusting situations/ people around them.. They're still hyper sensitive about their surroundings.. and they don't think they can go back to normal..

That's exactly what is going on in my head.

What the hell does this have to do with you claiming that if Trump wins, a bunch of US citizens are going to be shipped off to fight for Russia?
Once again, strong argument for "What kind of drugs are you on?" questioning.

 

[Indus]

What the hell does this have to do with you claiming that if Trump wins, a bunch of US citizens are going to be shipped off to fight for Russia?
Once again, strong argument for "What kind of drugs are you on?" questioning.

Did you forget our country's history?

The U.S. Deported a Million of Its Own Citizens to Mexico During the Great Depression | HISTORY

Up to 1.8 million people of Mexican descent—most of them American‑born—were rounded up in informal raids and deported in an effort to reserve jobs for white people.

www.history.com

https://immigrationhistory.org/item/operation-beautiful ray of sunshine/

Donald Trump's denaturalization task force is a new way to threaten the American Dream

Trump's denaturalization task force tells us that though we are citizens, our foreign birth is an open door through which we can always be kicked out.

www.usatoday.com

Was talking to my dad.. he said clearly Kam's better but Americans don't like women or blacks incharge. So the dems have shot themselves in the foot with Kamala and the whites will never accept her becoming President like Obama did.

Trump's promising to be worse this time.. so it's not a stretch for him to help out his friend Putin is it by feeding them unwanted people for the meatgrinder.

 

[hal2kilo]

I sincerely hope that the US government is ready to put down another coup attempt which is without doubt already being planned. Though if another coup is attempted and stopped, considering that SCOTUS is fundamentally compromised, a pretty radical conclusion is required.

I just keep in the back of my mind that the SCOTUS has granted immense immunity for official presidential acts. I weirdly would love to see a coup attempt with that notion in my mind.

 

[HomerJS]

So what's even the point of elections anymore?

Surprised at how many people in this thread are resigned to the notion that either SCOTUS or a House vote will install Trump.

And you called me a bedwetter.

It installed Bush in 2000.

 

[Stokely]

So what's even the point of elections anymore?

Surprised at how many people in this thread are resigned to the notion that either SCOTUS or a House vote will install Trump.

And you called me a bedwetter.

I don't think anyone is resigned in the sense of giving up.

But you call it like you see it.

As far as voting in the election, that's the only possible way to keep Trump out, so you still have to do it and hope that it's a big enough win that the cheaters can't overcome it. I'm not convinced the SC will be involved or be enough involved to overturn it, or even if they'd be willing to (they have surprised me before).

Trump and the GOP would love it people were intimidated into not voting. That's the easy street for them.

As far as another coup attempt, that is a given. I think there will be both sneaky election stealing attempts like the ones still in court from 2020 and at least one big riot type thing if Harris wins. I don't worry about the latter--if crazies feel like they want to water the tree of liberty with their blood over a rapist felon, go for it. Take over another fucking building and chant songs you freaking lunatics. Win either a meaningless death or lots of time behind bars for your day in the sun. Either way that's a win for the rest of us, less of them out and about in society.

 

[APU_Fusion]

No, the orange monkey doesn’t have the votes to squeak out an EC win. It will require state representatives rejecting the votes and declaring he won.

At that point. President Biden can step in and declare Harris as the winner via an official act.