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snoopy7548

Diamond Member
Jan 1, 2005
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I would invest half of it in low risk mutual funds and then take the other half over to my friend Asadulah who works in securities.
 
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nOOky

Platinum Member
Aug 17, 2004
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I did get around to putting 20k for her and I into I bonds last night. The Treasury website is kind of clunky, but not too bad. That leaves about 30k left that I have to allocate yet. We decided to take about 10k and improve the house a bit more. Simple repairs and stuff is also expensive right now, but we found a decent contractor which seems to be a rarity these days.

Thanks for the tips!
 

dullard

Elite Member
May 21, 2001
25,211
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I did get around to putting 20k for her and I into I bonds last night. The Treasury website is kind of clunky, but not too bad. That leaves about 30k left that I have to allocate yet. We decided to take about 10k and improve the house a bit more. Simple repairs and stuff is also expensive right now, but we found a decent contractor which seems to be a rarity these days.

Thanks for the tips!
You did well.

Also, since stocks plunged, your $30k will buy you a lot more if you do choose to invest now.
 

Scarpozzi

Lifer
Jun 13, 2000
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The risk that the market plunges is very high. The only reason it hasn't so far is because of (well founded) skepticism that the Fed is serious.

Assume the main purpose of the Fed's policy is to compel RTO haters to go back to the office (among other things). How far do you think the market has to drop to make that happen?
People are losing their shirts this year... I agree we may still see the market slip a bit. It doesn't look like Russia is going to stop their shit anytime soon and China too. Pool cash and spread your buys out some. It's going to be a long climb back to where we were last year. Expect a 1-2 year recovery when it flips back to a bull market.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
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I suppose now is a good time to open an investment TFSA account though. I just opened one up through the same site I trade stocks with. I'm not sure what they use in the background for investment, like if it's index funds or what, but it's basically one where they manage everything. Probably yield better than me picking stocks. I'll still keep the stock account open though but focus more on putting money in the investment account. I have it set to put $100 every 2 weeks for now. I still have $100 going to my regular TFSA with my bank, but that's only really used for short term savings, and is mostly going to be used for silver, gold, and just generally saving up for stuff.

Silver is actually down a lot too, but there's lot of people suspecting it's going to eventually explode as it's been kept artificially low for a while. Not putting my entire life savings into it but it's nice to have something physical to protect from a complete financial collapse.
 

deadlyapp

Diamond Member
Apr 25, 2004
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I suppose now is a good time to open an investment TFSA account though. I just opened one up through the same site I trade stocks with. I'm not sure what they use in the background for investment, like if it's index funds or what, but it's basically one where they manage everything. Probably yield better than me picking stocks. I'll still keep the stock account open though but focus more on putting money in the investment account. I have it set to put $100 every 2 weeks for now. I still have $100 going to my regular TFSA with my bank, but that's only really used for short term savings, and is mostly going to be used for silver, gold, and just generally saving up for stuff.

Silver is actually down a lot too, but there's lot of people suspecting it's going to eventually explode as it's been kept artificially low for a while. Not putting my entire life savings into it but it's nice to have something physical to protect from a complete financial collapse.
If you think precious metals will protect you in a financial collapse, you're solely mistaken and the only reason why such metals often don't collapse is for the same reason you want to buy it : because people think it won't collapse. Silver and gold are useless commodities that are good for only jewelry and why they even continue to have worth is beyond me now that almost zero currency is backed by gold.

I'd be interested in you taking a screenshot of your said investment account and how it works. Anyone in the US (and likely canada) can open a trading account with the trader of choice (e-trade, t rowe price, fidelity, etc) and purchase funds or individual stocks from said trader. Generally best to just get funds that match the major stock indices with the lowest possible management fee (like .035%).
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
67,898
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Precious metals do get used in commodities though. Silver is used in electronics, batteries, solar panels etc and so is gold. And it's something physical. Our dollar is constantly losing value, because it's just a number in a database and they can just make more out of thin air. In a way it's not any more real than crypto, since it's not backed by anything. That's why most change is not using precious metals anymore and just cheap metals as the precious metals used to make it is worth more than the face value due to how the money has been so devalued over the years.

I have not played much with the investment account but basically it's like a bank account from what I see. I don't really have much money to put into it but I will put $100 here and there as I can afford it. Basically whatever money I was putting into stocks I'll put there instead.
 
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Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
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Except for the full force of the government and military. Also can pay tax obligations and pay for a roof over your head. Sounds a whole lot more real to me.

True but it is being so devalued and at a faster and faster rate each year that if it continues this way it won't be able to do even that because you'll never have enough of it. The taxes and costs of living are going up at a faster rate than we are getting money. In Venezuela at some point there where throwing money in the streets since it became useless. We're heading there.

At some point it used to be backed by gold but it's not even backed by that anymore.
 

deadlyapp

Diamond Member
Apr 25, 2004
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True but it is being so devalued and at a faster and faster rate each year that if it continues this way it won't be able to do even that because you'll never have enough of it. The taxes and costs of living are going up at a faster rate than we are getting money. In Venezuela at some point there where throwing money in the streets since it became useless. We're heading there.

At some point it used to be backed by gold but it's not even backed by that anymore.
I think you vastly underestimate the power the feds have in not allowing inflation to run rampant like in Venezuela, Mexico, etc and other much much more corrupt countries.

And you say gold can't be printed, however it can be mined and certainly isn't as finite a resource as most are led to believe.
 

GodisanAtheist

Diamond Member
Nov 16, 2006
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True but it is being so devalued and at a faster and faster rate each year that if it continues this way it won't be able to do even that because you'll never have enough of it. The taxes and costs of living are going up at a faster rate than we are getting money. In Venezuela at some point there where throwing money in the streets since it became useless. We're heading there.

At some point it used to be backed by gold but it's not even backed by that anymore.

- Crypto is just more removed from reality than the dollar though isn't it? No one asks how many cheeseburgers for one Xcoin, or how much is this car in Xcoin, or how many groceries for an Xcoin. All anyone cares about is crypto's conversion back to the dollar, which is still inflating underneath the coin anyway. Its not like 1 Xcoin will always get you a cheeseburger while that cheeseburger continues to inflate from $5 to $6 to $7.

So really you're just layering a bullshit currency on top of another one. I'd rather stick with the basest level bullshit possible, which in today's world is the dollar.
 
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brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
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They make you sign this form and mail it in before you can order bonds, like we were still living in 1987.

it was online for me and some friends. i think it only requires a form if there's some problem verifying your information or something. i have seen some people run into a situation like that and need a medallion signature from their bank, but that doesn't seem to happen to most people.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
67,898
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- Crypto is just more removed from reality than the dollar though isn't it? No one asks how many cheeseburgers for one Xcoin, or how much is this car in Xcoin, or how many groceries for an Xcoin. All anyone cares about is crypto's conversion back to the dollar, which is still inflating underneath the coin anyway. Its not like 1 Xcoin will always get you a cheeseburger while that cheeseburger continues to inflate from $5 to $6 to $7.

So really you're just layering a bullshit currency on top of another one. I'd rather stick with the basest level bullshit possible, which in today's world is the dollar.

Oh I agree I don't think crypto is any better. It COULD be but it has some issues like ease of use, fees, scalability, fact that there are so many of them etc. One strength it may have is that nobody can just create new coins out of thin air like the fed does with fiat, some kind of work has to go into it. But really, I guess one could argue mining really is just creating it out of thin air. But at least that money is in the pockets of whoever made it. But yeah I don't think crypto is the solution.

I honestly not sure what the solution is to fiat being constantly undervalued, I guess a first step would be to stop "printing" so much money. I put printing in quotes, because they are not even printing physical cash, it's all fake money in the system that they are just creating out of thin air. Actual mint printers would not actually be able to physically keep up with the rate they "print" at.

Constantly increasing taxes is also a huge cause of inflation because everyone has to charge more to compensate. Property taxes being one of the worse offenders, it's basically like rent. If rent goes up, then a business needs to increase their prices. Often rent, on top of taxes go up, so it's a double whammy. This is happening to all the employees too so eventually they demand a higher wage, then that causes the business to have to charge even more. All this trickles down.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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it was online for me and some friends. i think it only requires a form if there's some problem verifying your information or something. i have seen some people run into a situation like that and need a medallion signature from their bank, but that doesn't seem to happen to most people.

Yeah, that's what happened to me. Weird.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
24,300
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Yeah, that's what happened to me. Weird.

happened to some folks on a finance forum i saw too, and they weren't quite sure why either. before seeing their posts i'd never seen it mentioned before.

when i opened my account years ago they were doing some hilarious old-timey verification thing where they would mail you a personalized laminated card. to verify my account, i think they'd ask something like "what's in position C7 on your card?" and then i had to look in the grid and type in what was on my card.

it felt like i was either in a spy movie, or playing some early 90s computer game where they made you look up a random word in the manual to verify you owned the game. either way it was ridiculous!
 

repoman0

Diamond Member
Jun 17, 2010
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I get a kick out of the onscreen keyboard you have to use to type out the login password. First time I saw it I thought you have got to be kidding me … I use a password manager and set it to 30 random characters, numbers and symbols so it’s a nightmare. Of course I’ve realized since then that it truncates at 16 or so without informing the user.
 

snoopy7548

Diamond Member
Jan 1, 2005
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Oh I agree I don't think crypto is any better. It COULD be but it has some issues like ease of use, fees, scalability, fact that there are so many of them etc. One strength it may have is that nobody can just create new coins out of thin air like the fed does with fiat, some kind of work has to go into it.

 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
67,898
12,365
126
www.anyf.ca
I get a kick out of the onscreen keyboard you have to use to type out the login password. First time I saw it I thought you have got to be kidding me … I use a password manager and set it to 30 random characters, numbers and symbols so it’s a nightmare. Of course I’ve realized since then that it truncates at 16 or so without informing the user.

Lol that definitely does not instill a lot of confidence in their IT. There is not even any reason to truncate passwords, it should all be hashed into a string of fixed size anyway before it gets to the database.
 

Zeze

Lifer
Mar 4, 2011
11,210
1,080
126
You want insane easy gain like +25% annual return?

Here's a bit secretive index fund. Buy it only if you can tolerate it. It's called S&P500.

S&P 500 Index Price Calculation
Price Based On2021 BeginDec 31 CloseReturn
Jan 4 Open3764.614766.1826.605%
Dec 31 Close3756.074766.1826.893%
S&P 500 Total Return Price Calculation
Price Based On2021 BeginDec 31 CloseReturn
Jan 4 Open7,777.419,986.7028.407%
Dec 31 Close7,759.359,986.7028.705%
 
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