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dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Who pays taxes and how much isn't linked to how those taxes are spent. I thought someone smart as you would realize that just like alimony payments you don't have control over the money once that check is cashed. Your side asked for higher taxes and deserved to get them good and hard so this is a win-win.
So we are not allowed to talk about how our government spends money? Is that what you are saying?
 

glenn1

Lifer
Sep 6, 2000
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So we are not allowed to talk about how our government spends money? Is that what you are saying?

We did "talk" via elections and evidently what you said wasn't very persuasive. Urban blue voters deserve their higher tax rates no matter what it gets spent on anyway. That's what you vote for and it's what you should get and are getting. If anything your rates should be considerably higher.
 
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dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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We did "talk" via elections and evidently what you said wasn't very persuasive. Urban blue voters deserve their higher tax rates no matter what it gets spent on anyway. That's what you vote for and it's what you should get and are getting. If anything your rates should be considerably higher.
Did we really talk? I mean, we talked, but it seems like conservatives mostly talked with Russians.
 
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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Who pays taxes and how much isn't linked to how those taxes are spent. I thought someone smart as you would realize that just like alimony payments you don't have control over the money once that check is cashed. Your side asked for higher taxes and deserved to get them good and hard so this is a win-win.

So you're just in it for the spite?
 

nOOky

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Aug 17, 2004
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The tax cuts were passed because Republicans controlled every aspect of govt. at the time, even some R's were against it. The majority of American citizens were against it then, as they are now. The argument about us "getting what we voted for" is incorrect because the majority of Americans did not want it, similar to how the majority of Americans did not vote for DJT for president. You can read up about it if you want facts instead of feelings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Cuts_and_Jobs_Act_of_2017#Notable_opponents
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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no idea why glenn1 hates civilization so much

Probably because it's who he blames for his miserable life. He's doing his best to be that old man yelling at the clouds and telling kids to get off his lawn while he reminisces about the good ol' days. I wouldn't worry about it, he'll be plant food soon enough.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Your entire worldview is based on spite and hate of the 1%, I’m just happy what you want to happen to them is including you and the 10%ers.

You do project in a fantastic fashion. Any tax increase on the fabulously wealthy that I would support would still leave them in the terribly unfortunate circumstance of being.... fabulously wealthy.

If you were being honest you would recognize the simple fact that federal taxes are regressive in the top 1%. The more a person makes, the lower their tax rate. That was true before the GOP top down class warfare looting spree & is even more true today. That's what you're defending. Here's your hero-

 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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How are you blue state urban folks making $150k year doing? It's been a couple months since you had to stroke a check to the Treasury for the extra taxes you said you'd happily pay. Have you recovered from the excitement of finally realizing your dream to pay more? Has the poor person you pass on the sidewalk personally thanked you yet?

The deficit is at historic levels ($207B in May alone), yet no infrastructure bills have been passed, no fixes to healthcare, plus the job market is slowing which has forced the feds to consider lowering rates to prop up a weakening economy.

Overall it's a fiscal disaster by any measure.

Yet Amazon is worth a trillion dollars, is destroying retail jobs en masse, but pays no federal taxes.

A massive win for Glenn1 apparently.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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Seriously @glenn1, how do you think this is going to play out?

The tax cuts didn't drive the growth they promised.

The debt levels are unsustainable, even in a healthy economy.

We can't afford to address any other problem, and poorly positioned to face another recession or fiscal crisis.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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People making 6 figures in the cities still have plenty of money to take for Uncle Sam to take for redistribution and there's way, way more of them than there are Trumps and Koches. Pointing to them and saying "but I meant that rich guy, not me!" gains you no sympathy.

why is redistribution a nasty word when you assume the meaning is related to the way liberals choose to spend money (poor, social services, infrastructure), but totally noble when conservatives get a-hold of it and redistribute it to champion your pet causes (making the born and lazy wealthy even wealthier, draining pension funds so that extra pocket cash can go into stock buy-backs, etc).

look, your dick is showing here and it has been for some time. Everyone knows you don't give a fuck about redistribution because you vote for it every goddamn chance you get. You just hate the poors.
 

DrDoug

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Jan 16, 2014
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So how is the government side of tax collections doing?

Federal tax payments by big businesses are falling much faster than anticipated in the wake of Republicans’ tax cuts, providing ammunition to Democrats who are calling for corporate tax increases. The U.S. Treasury saw a 31 percent drop in corporate tax revenues last year, almost twice the decline official budget forecasters had predicted. Receipts were projected to rebound sharply this year, but so far they’ve only continued to fall, down by almost 9 percent or $11 billion.

Gee, the Republican cuts to business taxes have reduced business tax paymenst by almost one third and the expected drop in business tax revenues is double what was expected? On top of that the business tax revenues are continuing to fall when Republicans projected that they would rise? Plus taxpayers are now paying $93 billion more in taxes while businesses are paying $91 billion less? All of this while corporate profits are sky high and business taxes are the lowest they've been in over 50 years? And all of this great news is only going to add $400 billion to the national debt? I bet conservative voters are really happy that their party is coming up with all of these great ideas for America and our economy.

What Brownback did to the economy of Kansas is nothing compared to what this shit is going to do to the economy of our country. Three people in the United States now have more wealth than the combined total wealth of the bottom 50% and Republicans still think that isn't enough for those three people.

Knowing all of this and reading the bootlickers in this thread who are happy with the tax cuts is really something to see. I live in a small conservative town in Oregon. We just had three measures that we voted on that are quite telling. The first was a lodging tax for the unincorporated areas of the country... it passed. The second measure was an advisory issue asking if the people of the county would be willing to establish a 1.5%-2% sales tax, which went down in flames 83% against, 17% for. The third measure was another advisory question asking if the people of the county would want to establish a tax on marijuana growers, which passed 63% for and 37% against. Luckily state law prohibits counties from doing that but five counties in the state (all conservative) are pushing Salem to allow them to do so. Never mind the county already collects a sales tax on every purchase, now they want to tax the product before we can buy it and get taxed again. IOW, my conservative neighbors sure as hell don't want any new taxes on themselves but are more than happy to impose taxes on others to benefit themselves.

Conservatives like taxes, they just want everyone but themselves to pay them. Cheap, skinflint pricks who would cut off their noses to spite their faces, which is what they did in electing the assholes who passed this tax bill.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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‘If you think taxes should be raised generally then you must support all tax increases, regardless of what they are for’ is one of the most unbelievably stupid arguments you have ever made, Glenn.

Why you would want to keep repeating it and highlighting the stupidity is beyond me.
 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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why is redistribution a nasty word when you assume the meaning is related to the way liberals choose to spend money (poor, social services, infrastructure), but totally noble when conservatives get a-hold of it and redistribute it to champion your pet causes (making the born and lazy wealthy even wealthier, draining pension funds so that extra pocket cash can go into stock buy-backs, etc).

look, your dick is showing here and it has been for some time. Everyone knows you don't give a fuck about redistribution because you vote for it every goddamn chance you get. You just hate the poors.

I don’t know if he hates poor people but he’s blindingly jealous of the coastal cities and looks to spite them at any opportunity. (He should just move to one instead)

All of Glenn’s politics are spite based. I don’t think he actually cares about any policy, just cares about which ones hurt his imagined enemies the most.
 
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