Yeah, using 1 day of stock market results is a brilliant way to know the true value of a long term strategic plan. They went from $32 a share when they announced their poor 3Q results; to now where it sits around $25-26. It went as low as $23, but it has rebounded a little bit. Any big announcement like this is going to cause stock price flux.
5 Years ago IBM was sitting at $82 a share. It's now at $167. So how did that turn out for IBM?
Their PC business is simply not a huge profit center. The decline of PC has been going on for years and the real long-term focus is going to shift on the software/services. We don't really know the complete vision for their long-term strategy.
Fine, let's wait a year. Only took your stupid comment a week to look ignorant. You apparently overlooked the fact they were sitting on hardware and the tooling/design cost was already spent. All it took was ramping up production and they could have new product. It's of little cost/investment to them and they are able to make the public happy and get their OS into a larger user base. Their investment in PALM was 1.2B. Again, put another $100MM on top of that and it is meaningless in the long term.
Last quarter more Smart Phones were shipped than PC. The trend is to move to smaller and lighter devices. There will always be a need for the raw horsepower a PC can give, but the market will become more of a niche for specialized needs. Large corporations are looking at things like thin clients and ways to utilize server processors/memory to run virtualization and have everything stored on the network (the cloud). Take a look at the changing world around you and open your eyes. The PC market isn't what it once was HP is looking at the long term future of the company. They can sell off or spin-off the PC business into a separate entity and not have their low profit margins or quarterly losses drag down the true valuation of their main company. They could get a huge infusion of cash to fund their long-term strategy.
You can't see outside that simple-minded little apple shaped box. So you think they should sit on the hardware, ignore customers and orders that are placed and take even a larger loss by sitting on product and doing nothing? You're a freaking genius. You offer nothing as a solution; you just simply say things are wrong and complain. You're a pure visionary. I'd give you 6 months tops to run a company into the ground…..We wouldn't need a year.
I'll be quoting you in a year...
And LOL, if you knew me you'd realize I don't live in an Apple shaped box
But of it makes you feel better to think so..... How many people do you know that have traded over 3 million in Apple stock this year and use Android phones?
Is that really all you can say? You're not even able to form an intelligent response. You're like a child on a playground. I asked you a pointed question about how you would handle the left over raw materials and tooling that is already in place. You think HP is making a wrong move by building more Touchpads. Why exactly is that?
LOL, are you always this angry?
I'll take a pass on arguing for now, am in SF, enjoying the weekend...
LOL, are you always this angry?
I'll take a pass on arguing for now, am in SF, enjoying the weekend...
Like Linus, the thing is, who will license WebOS, Samsung seems unlikely now, HTC would be foolish to do so, the developers for WebOS have likely given up on developing apps...
What does WebOS have now, less than 1% of the market?
Palm was for sale for years before HP bought them, no takers. What has changed? The fact that at a price where the devices actually made $, they didn't sell? Nope, that's already proven. The fact that if yOu sell something for a third of what it cost to make it, you move product? Well, we've proven that now.
What's left? Not much... As I said, let's see where WebOS is in a mere 12 months, and in all likelihood, it'll be dead. I'm not jumping up and down, thrilled at the prospect, but WebOS is likely dead.
Frankly, I don't even understand what you're talking about, That this is some master plan to make WebOS a viable, licensable OS? Palm tried that years ago. Flipping Palm has been in "trouble" ever since I can remember, bought, sold, spun off, you name it, and I was a fan for years. Now I've given up.
Maybe those fools at pre central can buy WebOS, I literally laughed at the first post suggesting that, and there have been a lot of them.
So you think that this is all a master marketing plan by HP to license or sell WebOS?
Looks like supply & demand and the free market to me, and it looks like WebOS is playing taps, waiting to get a few spades of dirt shoveled on the casket.
webOS could have made HP huge in the consumer market if things went right. I could envision some cloud based usages for a webOS printer that could make it very useful. Not critical but certainly give HP an edge over other printers. Imagine an ecosphere for webOS where it has tight integration with webOS phones, tablets, netbooks, and printers.
I don't see that it has been buggy or underpowered at all. HP had a lot of background logging right out of the box. But once you eliminate those, it runs pretty smoothly. Bump up the clock speed to 1.5 and that makes it even a little bit better. There may not be a tons of apps created specifically for the Touchpad, but it seems to be able to do most of the most important things you would want out of it.
My bad. I guess I just imagined those articles mentioning a lack of polish and some bugs popping up. And I also must have not read the articles stating the iPad 2's hardware was twice as fast as that used in the Touchpad.
I'm not saying it can't do all of the important things. Hell, the iPad 1 that I have can do everything I need from it just fine. But for the price, that sucker is way underpowered.
so you don't actually own one, even at ~$99, you are just criticizing it based on hearsay?
so you don't actually own one, even at ~$99, you are just criticizing it based on hearsay?
those critical articles were probably written when the device launched at $500 MSRP, it's a different world now.
HP already has a Photosmart printer with little tablet things, and I thought I saw that it actually runs Android.
Hmm yep, according to Engadget, it is an Android tablet.
Actually you didn't. It turns out the authors were full of bull and trolling for hits.And I also must have not read the articles stating the iPad 2's hardware was twice as fast as that used in the Touchpad.
I've come to the conclusion that I will have to wait for a satisfactory Android port to actually make this thing "productive" for me. The lack of support for current HP-provided apps along with several critical missing apps makes the Touchpad nothing more than a glorified angry birds machine/photo frame/web browser at this point.
For the price, what it does can't be beat... but I have little faith in the webos community to actually continue providing new apps at this point.