HP ZE1201 Laptop Athlon Xp 1400+, 14.1 XGA+, 128MB PC133 - $579 + tax after (2) $100 rebates & Free Luggage @ Staples

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djchemistry

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Update and Review:

Over the past month, I've purchased three laptops from Compaq. Yep, you've heard me right, three. First was the 1500T with 2.0ghz p4 chip, second the 900Z with a mobile athlon 1600+, and finally the 1500T with mobile celeron through staples. I've returned the first two after being dissatisfied with them. Here's my comparison of the three based on my personal experience over the last month.

The 1500T with 2.0ghz p4 chip ran much hotter than I wished. Also, the chip just didn't run as fast as I thought it would. Having upgraded from a Athlon 1800+ system with a 60 gb raid 0 hd and other amenities, I found the laptop to be sorely lacking in overall performance in both I/0 processes (yes I know laptops all have slower hard drives) and 3D gaming. So I decided to down grade to the 900Z series laptops, save some money and add a dvd player and a SXGA screen for the same price. A bargain, I thought.

The 900Z ran as hot as the 1500T with the P4 chip. I was surprised because I assumed a mobile chip (even an athlon mobile chip) would take into account the limited space inside the casing and account for the constraints on heating accordingly. In terms of performance, the mobile athlon 1600+ chip really offered no conspicuous deterioration in 2D performance. DVD playback, surfing the net, and multitasking with a variety of applications really didn't differ much at all from the 1500T. I was satisfied in this respect, however 3D performance took a really noticeable hit. The radeon IGP which has shared memory and slower gpu vs. the radeon 7500 with dedicated memory and based on the newer radeon core really made a marked difference in video games (Unreal Tournament 2003 Demo and High Heat Baseball 2003, Go Oakland!). Downgrading from the P4 w/ radeon 7500 to the Athlon 1600+ with radeon IGP was a huge mistake. At this point I wasn't too sure if the hit in 3D performance was just from the video card or a combination of both the processor and video card, but I soon found the answer to this question with the 1500T w/ mobile celeron from Staples.

I got my third laptop from Compaq yesterday. It's a 1500T with mobile celeron, 256mb ram, extended battery, and radeon 7500 32mb. My first concern was processor performance. Much to my pleasure the celeron offered no noticeable slowdown in performance either. I have no complaints about 2D performance, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if the hard drive was the bottle neck in this area because I really see no difference going from the Pentium to the mobile Athlon to the mobile Celeron. In terms of 3D gaming, I was relieved to see the mobile celeron and radeon 7500 combo outperform the 900Z with mobile athlon and radeon IGP. In fact, I'm willing to say that the mobile celeron's performance is almost at par with the pentium 4's performance with the 7500. This led me to the conclusion that the radeon 7500 chip was the bottleneck in the 3D department and that a processor upgrade really wouldn't do too much to boost 3D performance. In terms of heating, the mobile celeron really showed why it's a true laptop processor. My keyboard would heat up with the other too chips but the mobile celeron doesn't at all. Also, feeling the ventilated air out of the processor heatsink and fan I notice a sharp drop in temperature from the P4 and the Mobile Athlon. Both of those chips would vent out hot air when processing large chunks of info but the mobile celeron vents out only warm air at most. I know these comparisons sound subjective without temperature readings but trust me the different in heat dissipation is very noticeable. I'm glad that I was able to see and use all three laptops because it's given me a good assessment of the three. And I can safely say that I have no regrets whatsoever with my final purchase.

Overall, I rate the the laptops as such:

1500T w/ 2.0ghz P4 and radeon 7500
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8/10 - Good performance and features yet pricing and heating are two big drawbacks.

900Z w/ Mobile Athlon 1600+ and radeon IGP
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7/10 - Good 2D performance and better price yet 3D performance and heating hold this baby back.

1500T w/ Mobile Celeron 1.4 and radeon 7500
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9/10 - I believe this to be the sweet spot. It has the best price/performance ratio of the three in both 2D and 3D applications as well as the same features as the P4 configuration. Heating, while it exists, is no where near the open stove fires that the other chips burned. I would give this puppy a 10/10 except that it too along with the other laptops only has a 4200rpm hard drive. I believe this to be a common bottleneck among the three laptops and hope to see Compaq move onto 5400rpm hard drives in the near future. In the meantime, I guess I'll keep an eye out for 2.5" 5400rpm laptop hard drives.

*Note: Performance really suffers with only 128mb of ram in Windows XP with all three of these laptops. I tried running them all with both 128mb of ram and 256mb of ram and I can say that 256mb of ram almost doubles your overall speed in Windows XP. Also, SXGA is really much better than XGA. This may sound like a subjective analysis but please go look at the screens and compare. A good comparision will help you not regret getting that crummy XGA screen lol.
 

stingbandel

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another update from me,


Compaq 1500T with desktop processor is not as bad as I thought. it's actually not as hot as I thought. It's only warm a little bit compare to my IBM A31p with m processor.

other than that, the battery life is also good.




Darno
 

RossMAN

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djchemistry - THANK YOU! Woohoo, now there's only 1 upgrade I regret not doing ... paying the extra $55 for 1 SODIMM 256MB instead of having 2 256MB chips, oh well I'm already spending $53 on WIFI NIC, $70 on a WAP and $10 on a laptop case plus $40 for a simple desk.

I'm so glad that I got the 1.4 Celeron vs the P4, upgraded battery to 66 WHr for $29 and upgraded to the 15.0" SXGA display.

You paid the extra $29 for a 66 WHr battery, right? How's battery life playing a DVD?

I think I'll fully charge the laptop and start playing a DVD, go shopping come back in about 1.5 hours and see how it's performing.

Did you reformat the hard drive doing a clean install of XP Pro?
 

thecollectivewi

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So have you gotten your laptop yet Rossman? I have lurked for the past year of two in these forums and I have always enjoyed your laptop threads the most.
I, like you until now, havent purchased any yet. Its getting very close since my goal is to get a nice machine that can do some gaming for $1000 or less out of
pocket. Im still thinking about this Compaq and I cant wait for you to post your review of it. Im not a big 3d gaming guy Im still stuck on DiabloII believe it or not.

A couple questions

When you are at Staples do you just ask for the manager when you want shipping waived? What reason do you give him/her for waiving it?
What site do I find the $50 coupon at? Is it Fatwall...
Are you still going to keep the rest of us laptop lovers up to speed with the greatest deals now that you have finally broken your cherry and got one for yourself to keep?
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: thecollectivewi
So have you gotten your laptop yet Rossman? I have lurked for the past year of two in these forums and I have always enjoyed your laptop threads the most.
I, like you until now, havent purchased any yet. Its getting very close since my goal is to get a nice machine that can do some gaming for $1000 or less out of
pocket. Im still thinking about this Compaq and I cant wait for you to post your review of it. Im not a big 3d gaming guy Im still stuck on DiabloII believe it or not.

A couple questions

When you are at Staples do you just ask for the manager when you want shipping waived? What reason do you give him/her for waiving it?
What site do I find the $50 coupon at? Is it Fatwall...
Are you still going to keep the rest of us laptop lovers up to speed with the greatest deals now that you have finally broken your cherry and got one for yourself to keep?

Nope haven't received my laptop yet but all my Hot Deals shipments go to my friends house instead of mine (sine no one is home at my house during regular business hours). I'll call my friend this afternoon around 5:00 PM with my fingers crossed that he received the laptop, my luggage arrived at his house earlier this week so I'll pick up both with one visit. Then my Dell TrueMobile 1150 PCMCIA card should arrive at any time probably today, tomorrow or Monday. I also have an SMC 7004AWBR on it's way from Amazon to my PO Box. Probably more info than you wanted to know, right?

1) First I called my local Staples asking if they had any Compaq Presario 1500T's on display that I can play around with? The guy I spoke with was the "official" computer/electronics/PDA/digicam guru at the local Staples, so he wasn't a manager or even asst manager but he seemed to know his stuff and was friendly. He suggested that I visit their store and order a Compaq BTO laptop using their "kiosk" (I was thinking this would resemble an ATM but it's just a computer with an LCD display on a desk with a chair, that's it). I asked him if I could have the $75 shipping fee waived if I had the laptop delivered to the store? He said no. HOWEVER he said something which tickled my Ferengi ears with joyousness, they've been running an incentive to bring customers into the store to order computers using their BTO kiosk and ask an incentive they'll WAIVE THE $75 SHIPPING FEE, I was like WooHoo I'll be there with a garter belt, wig and bells and whistles ... I was going to wait until the next day but I said fsck it, told my wife come on Susan we're going to Staples (she's probably thinking AGAIN?). So I got there, asked for the sales person by name, went to the kiosk which had a slightly modified version of the Staples.com homepage, he sat down at the kiosk and I sat next to him while my wife wandered around the store hunting for CD-R jewel cases and clearance items ... he clicked Home Page, then Computers, then Laptops then Compaq then 1500T, with calculated efficiency that only a Grand Nagus can display I instructed him to upgrade to the 15.0" SXGA display for $100 more, and the 66 WHr battery for $29 more then, he entered my shipping info (not billing info since I'll be paying with my cc at the cash register so you only configure and order the PC online, you do not pay online) ... he asked that I re-confirm the laptop model, specs, price and my shipping info all of which was correct. He clicked something then printed an order page with a barcode on it. By this time about 10 minutes had passed and I had mentioned about 4 times that I had "a few" coupons that I wanted to use he said I know I know ... I was getting worried because the kiosk price showed $1,417 which is RETAIL not a Hot Deal ... So we walk over to the cash register with his BTO print out, he scanned it into the register, the price of $1,417 came up then for the 5th time I said I have a "few" coupons that I want to use, he said ok lemme have it. So I showed him a print out of my Staples.com cart from home which showed the $1,417 laptop, $300 off $1,099 coupon, $30 off coupon, oh yeah we had also added the luggage before forgot to mention that then he entered the $39.99 off free luggage coupon. Then I showed him the printable $50 off $300 coupon which had a 16 digit coupon code instead of the typical 5 digit code, which he had no questions about. He said [expletive] damn [expletive] you're getting a pretty nice Hot Deal here, close to $1,000 for a laptop which retails for $500 more! So I handed him my CitiBank Platinum Dividend VISA which has no annual fee, earns me a 1% cash rebate and offers a free 1 year extended warranty. He swiped it, receipt printed, I signed and we left the store. When we got to the car I was so frickin' surprised that I just ordered MY DREAM LAPTOP for only $837 after $100 Staples MIR and $100 Compaq MIR with FREE SHIPPING and FREE WIFI CARD!

2) Yes the printable $50 off $300 coupon can be found in the FW Hot Deals forum just search for HP, it's one of those threads with about 1,000 posts in it.

3) Yep. Although I finally own my dream digicam (Canon PowerShot A40) and dream laptop (Compaq Presario 1500T) I'll still be drawn to these threads like a badger is drawn to honey, so yes I'll continue posting in these threads.

Any questions?
 

djchemistry

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Hey RossMan,

Yes I upgraded to the larger battery for $29, and also did a clean install of Windows XP. One note, when you format and install the USB 2.0 drivers will not be recognized. XP recognizes the NEC PCI to USB Controllers for the USB 1.1 standard but the Host Controller for USB 2.0 will be in a unrecognized/question marked state. Just download the USB 2.0 Host Controller Drivers from HERE.

I then did a manual install of the Host Controller, first by choosing the type of device it was (USB) and manufacturer (NEC) and then letting Windows do a scan for the drivers I downloaded. Also you'll need to upgraded the video drivers to the Radeon 7500 drivers, which will be easy to find on Compaq's website.
 

riznick

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Pennsylvania's State Revenue website is definately outdated.
This website seems to have the info that you need:
http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/061/chapter33/chap33toc.html

Your law has some stupid disclaimer. It says that the discount has to show up on the receipt for
the law to take effect. Fortunately staples does put the discount on the receipt, so you can
dispute the charge. (After you get your laptop)


Originally posted by: tpoj
I got a charge with tax before coupon too.
Anyone found a sale tax guide in Pennsylvania?
I searched through www.state.pa.us but found nothing.

 

Bink

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Rossman,

I can't believe it - do you have deal lethargy setting in???? Paying Compaq for a RAM upgrade? RAM is one of the more egregious ripoffs from Compaq. I think they charge $400 for an upgrade from 128 to 512MB!!


I looked at it as well, and I hate the non-expandability of having both slots filled as well, but a $50 premium for HPQ to swap out 2x128MB SODIMMS for 1x256MB SODIMMS? The price of 256MB SODIMMS has often been $50-60 from Dell or Crucial. Prices are a bit higher now, but $140.84 for a 512MB SODIMM sounds good doesn't it?? Sell out the 128MB SODIMMS for say $25 each and you have gone all the way to 512MB for a net of $90.84


LINK TO PAGE COMPUTER 512MB SODIMM

Otherwise look out for the 256MB deals. Crucial presently has it for $80.99, less the $50 for the 128MB SODIMMS for a net of $31.
 

dc

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time to format and install xp pro. having dead pixels is giving me a headache. grrr...
 

stingbandel

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Originally posted by: dc
time to format and install xp pro. having dead pixels is giving me a headache. grrr...

I feel your pain. I have one stuck pixel after running the system for a day. I called Staples and they give me a replacement though.


It takes 7 business days according to them.


I don't know if I want to keep this one or wait for the replacement but this stuck green pixel is really annoyed me cause I can see it clearly when the background is dark.



anybody can update theirs?

any dead pixel so I can make up my mind?

what about your RossMAN, is yours ok, no dead pixel?




thanks

 

stingbandel

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Originally posted by: gsethi
Hello

If you are getting dead pixels, get them to replace your laptops.


yes, that's what I am doing. Compaq won't replace it for you. You have to go through Staples. they don't give you any hassle at all.


I have one dead pixel but see so many dust behind the screen. I was gonna keep it if there's only one dead pixel but those dust behind the screen is like 5 to 6 dots (grey dots)



I hope the replacement don't take too long




Darno
 

CuriousG

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I received my 1500T yesterday (beat RossMan? even though he ordered before me) and I don't see any dead pixels so far. Guess I'll have to run it through that website that tests for dead pixels. Anyway, I really like the 1400x1080 (odd max resolution or something close to that) for the 15" screen. The bigger screen is easier on the eyes and easier to see from other angles but I'd have to compare it side to side with my other notebook to notice if it's that much better. I was working on a client's Sony Vaio and she had a large screen that did 1600x1200. That max resolution was too small but it did look nice. What I find odd about it so far is that the notebook vents the fan EVERY time when you see the starting WindowsXP screen. Blows cool to warm air from the left side vents and back vents so that has definately more vents than my Inspiron 4100 and cooler air I may add. I just spent time uninstalling all the junk software that Compaq leaves on there and will soon just insall XP Pro at some point. I do like the release button for the PC Card slot but it looks like it only fits for one card as above it looks like it's vented or just another fake cover to be removed later. My first complaint was going to be the AC adapter as it kept coming out during the charge or slight movement and it would stop charging. I look at the manual and find that you have to push it in hard in order to make it stay and snap. I still prefer Dell's proprietary AC input as it seems sturdier and less likely to bend or snap off on your lap. I also like the scroll button features as it was sorely missed on a notebook without a scroll wheel mouse. The oval touchpad is more a gimmick than anything as opposed to a square one. Maybe it's useful for freehand graphics programs to draw circles? The cover to the external input and outputs in the back seems a bit flimsy as I'm afraid that after opening and closing the rounded cover a few times it will eventually break off. I have yet to play any DVDs on it but the sound quality of the JBL speakers are pretty nice considering it's a notebook.

RossMan,

>djchemistry - THANK YOU! Woohoo, now there's only 1 upgrade I regret not doing ... paying the extra $55
>for 1 SODIMM 256MB instead of having 2 256MB chips, oh well I'm already spending $53 on WIFI NIC, $70
>on a WAP and $10 on a laptop case plus $40 for a simple desk.

I'm guessing the WIFI NIC is for a desktop computer? I'm confused as to what you're getting on that free WiFi deal through Compaq. I understand the Wireless MultiPort but is the Connection Point CP-2W Wireless Broadband Gateway just an Access Point or wireless router? I'm guessing you didn't opt for the CP-2W because the AP you're getting is cheaper? Where do you get a laptop case for $10?
 

dc

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the $10 laptop case is at compusa this week. today's the last day.

$40-15 instant-15 mail in
case logic knc-2

nice for the price. the 1500t is a big boy, it fits and barely leaves room for the ac adapter. lol

i agree that the cover in the back is flimsy, afraid that it's gonna break off.
 

RossMAN

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I've been sick since yesterday so I haven't really played around much with my new 1500T.

I did receive it yesterday Friday 10/4, waited until just before Star Trek: Voyager (I know I suck for liking it but it's not that bad once you give it a chance) to open it.

The back cover which covers the USB ports, S Video only does seem flimsy and I might have a big problem because I plan on using a regular USB scroll mouse whenever I'm at home (unless I'm on a lazy boy chair or something with no flat surface). So how do I plug a USB cable into the USB port without fscking up the cover? Can I unscrew those two small screws and remove the cover?

I'll probably just stick with the default 256MB RAM for now since I've already spent nearly $1,000 including the WiFi setup and desk/chair. But if I think XP Pro would benefit from another 256MB then I'll either buy 2x256 or 1x512.

The WiFi NIC I bought is for the laptop. Why? The FREE Compaq will take I'm guessing 8-12 weeks to arrive here and I don't wanna wait that long. I've read nothing but rave reviews on the Dell TrueMobile 1150 (Orinoco Gold). I know the 1150 will occupy the coveted PCMCIA slot but right now I really have no use for that slot so I'm perfectly fine with it. Besides it may perform better than the Compaq WiFi and it was only $53 with free shipping from Dell.

I haven't turned it on yet, left it plugged in last night to charge up so when I do a clean reformat/install of XP Pro today that it will be fully charged and ready to go. I'm hoping that if I have any dead pixels there's only 1 or 2 and they are barely noticeable because it's going to be a major PITA to take the laptop back to Staples and have a new replacement ordered.

I didn't think that 7 lbs feels like a lot but it does. If I had lots of money to blow I'd probably buy an IBM ThinkPad X series or Sony VAIO laptop but come on this only cost me $837.

Most importantly this laptop looks BADASS!

So far I'm happy. Will report back later after I have installed XP Pro.
 

NeoKen

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Hey Rossman and others,

I just noticed that the Free WiFi offer was removed from the Compaq site since it's expired on 9/30. Do you have printout or URL for that?

Thanks!
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: NeoKen
Hey Rossman and others,

I just noticed that the Free WiFi offer was removed from the Compaq site since it's expired on 9/30. Do you have printout or URL for that?

Thanks!

%$#@!

If anyone has this please PM me and I'll host it.

UPDATE: Fortunately in one of my earlier posts I linked directly to the Free Wireless MultiPort Rebate but it seems there is no .pdf document to print, there should be a coupon in our boxes. I didn't see one, where is it?
 

Daeymion

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For those people who ordered the ZE1201 (like I did) and curious about the harddrive that is installed in the laptop.

It's an IBM 07N8325. 4,200 RPMs and rated for ATA/66 with a 12ms access time.
 

riznick

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I purchased 2 hp laptops in the past.
they both had 1 burnt out pixel out of the box.

Got Circuit city to replace them.

after the 14 day period, I noticed a burnt out pixel on each new laptop.

I called HP. They wont replace it unless you have 7 burnt out or stuck pixels.
 

stingbandel

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I just called staples and compaq. Both of them don't know sh!t about the free wireless offer for the compaq 1500t. I specifically point them to the website that RossMAN linked and they couldn't say a word where to get the coupon. They also didn't know who to call and ask for the coupon. It's like a bunch of loser.


really pissed me off. I also asked Staples and Compaq if Staples is a participating retailers and they both said yes so there's no reason why we can't get the coupon inside the box.



Anybody knows how to get the coupon?

thanks


Darno
 

stingbandel

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Originally posted by: dc
hm, my coupon was inside the documentation box.




ok, I found it now after digging the box.


what is wrong with the Compaq reps. They know nothing.




Anyway, I am glad that I see the coupon.


Thanks dc





 

RossMAN

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Thanks dc.

Found my FREE WIFI coupon offer inside the black documentation thing, it's red and says FREE OFFER.
 
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