HR 1 urgently needs to pass through filibuster

[cytg111]

So. The filibuster.

Biden supports changing filibuster rules in Senate

President Biden said in an interview Tuesday that he is in favor of overhauling the filibuster rules that could help Democrats use their majority in the Senate to steamroll some legislative initiatives without so much as looking at their Republican colleagues.

www.foxnews.com

"talking filibuster"
- What I read is "trying to force a radical cult to no behave in a radical cult fashion.
"talking filibuster"
- Here is my prediction. They are gonna use all of that floor time to read Dr. Seuss.

 

[cytg111]

Check the interview :

Biden says he supports reforming Senate filibuster in ABC News exclusive interview

President Joe Biden said he supports reforming the Senate filibuster in an ABC News exclusive interview Tuesday.

abcnews.go.com

Progressive Biden?

 

[fskimospy]

So. The filibuster.

Biden supports changing filibuster rules in Senate

President Biden said in an interview Tuesday that he is in favor of overhauling the filibuster rules that could help Democrats use their majority in the Senate to steamroll some legislative initiatives without so much as looking at their Republican colleagues.

www.foxnews.com

"talking filibuster"
- What I read is "trying to force a radical cult to no behave in a radical cult fashion.
"talking filibuster"
- Here is my prediction. They are gonna use all of that floor time to read Dr. Seuss.

That could be a very short amount of floor time then as apparently they are also considering a requirement that the speech be germane to the topic under consideration.

Regardless, while eliminating the filibuster entirely would be best this is a vast improvement as it requires:

1) large personal sacrifices by the individual legislators
2) the creation of an endless news cycle of bad press as they must vocally stand in opposition to overwhelmingly popular bills.

As things stand now most people don’t even know the filibusters are happening so they are costless.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

That could be a very short amount of floor time then as apparently they are also considering a requirement that the speech be germane to the topic under consideration.

Regardless, while eliminating the filibuster entirely would be best this is a vast improvement as it requires:

1) large personal sacrifices by the individual legislators
2) the creation of an endless news cycle of bad press as they must vocally stand in opposition to overwhelmingly popular bills.

As things stand now most people don’t even know the filibusters are happening so they are costless.

Exactly, I would be satisfied with this change and I have said it for years. Want to filibuster, then stand the fuck up there and talk about why passing whatever bill is a bad idea. No breaks, no bathroom runs, no sitting, no ending the session until speaker is done speaking.
Admittedly they’ll do an end run and all start off reading the Constitution but that would be good particularly for the Marge Greene’s out there, they skipped this shit in High School.
Also as I’ve said it adds specific accountability which is a good thing. No more fill out a form and effectively filing an anonymous filibuster thus grinding everything to a halt. Stand the fuck up there on camera and speak your position.

 

[cytg111]

That could be a very short amount of floor time then as apparently they are also considering a requirement that the speech be germane to the topic under consideration.

Regardless, while eliminating the filibuster entirely would be best this is a vast improvement as it requires:

1) large personal sacrifices by the individual legislators
2) the creation of an endless news cycle of bad press as they must vocally stand in opposition to overwhelmingly popular bills.

As things stand now most people don’t even know the filibusters are happening so they are costless.

I get the part about spending political capital and the exposure... Still... The Cult of Trump? They are already doing all of that.
Maybe this is an olive branch to McConnell, he will decline to filibuster and the rest of GQP will have plausible deniability : Mitch made us do it (not do it).

 

[fskimospy]

I get the part about spending political capital and the exposure... Still... The Cult of Trump? They are already doing all of that.
Maybe this is an olive branch to McConnell, he will decline to filibuster and the rest of GQP will have plausible deniability : Mitch made us do it (not do it).

I think it's primarily useful in that if they implement the rule correctly it will be impossible to sustain a filibuster indefinitely due to physical exhaustion.

They will absolutely continue to use the filibuster to the maximum extent they are capable and presumably the Democrats know this. This is why if they are going to make the change it will almost certainly be to change it in a way that essentially eliminates it. Otherwise, why bother?

 

[K1052]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1372235525181030402

that's pretty pretty good

 

[hal2kilo]

Let just say, the Dems better do what ever it takes to get this passed. I know in my heart that Biden and the Senate Majority owes the black population coming out and voting in droves. If the Dems don't get this done, I wouldn't blame black people for walking away from the Democratic Party.

 

[dank69]

Let just say, the Dems better do what ever it takes to get this passed. I know in my heart that Biden and the Senate Majority owes the black population coming out and voting in droves. If the Dems don't get this done, I wouldn't blame black people for walking away from the Democratic Party.

I'd agree except...where are they going to walk to?

 

[hal2kilo]

I'd agree except...where are they going to walk to?

Good point, but it can be exploited.

 

[soundforbjt]

I'd agree except...where are they going to walk to?

Staying home and not voting would be a disaster for Dems.

 

[iRONic]

I'd agree except...where are they going to walk to?

Right back to the fucking streets to march and protest!! Christ... they've been there for a damn year! They're there right now in places.

There's never gonna be an opportunity like this to fix this shit. I'll consider walking away from the Ds also if they screw the pooch here.

400 years and this shit still exists. Fucking society...

 

[hal2kilo]

Staying home and not voting would be a disaster for Dems.

Making people talk<>60 votes. Fillibuster's got to go, or yet another special case one?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Haha per a news report I just heard, Mitch promises a repeal of ACA and Unionization rights if “Standing Filibuster” becomes the norm.
Good! Do it Mitch! I look forward to the next major health scare and you all defending how taking people’s healthcare away was a good thing. I look forward to the next election when a bunch of Union guys vote.
This is what I meant earlier. Stand up and make your case then let the voters decide. Especially when you made a bad call.

 

[dank69]

Staying home and not voting would be a disaster for Dems.

Yeah but it also turns out to be a disaster for black people as well.

 

[Zorba]

Haha per a news report I just heard, Mitch promises a repeal of ACA and Unionization rights if “Standing Filibuster” becomes the norm.
Good! Do it Mitch! I look forward to the next major health scare and you all defending how taking people’s healthcare away was a good thing. I look forward to the next election when a bunch of Union guys vote.
This is what I meant earlier. Stand up and make your case then let the voters decide. Especially when you made a bad call.

Isn't this basically admitting that their goal is terrible policy and the Dems are the adults in the room.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Haha per a news report I just heard, Mitch promises a repeal of ACA and Unionization rights if “Standing Filibuster” becomes the norm.
Good! Do it Mitch! I look forward to the next major health scare and you all defending how taking people’s healthcare away was a good thing. I look forward to the next election when a bunch of Union guys vote.
This is what I meant earlier. Stand up and make your case then let the voters decide. Especially when you made a bad call.

So he's going to magically pull off something his party couldn't manage when they unified control of government and it was their stated #1 goal, when they are out-of power of all three branches at the federal level?

Go ahead. Shoot yourself in your own dick with a gun you don't have.

 

[hal2kilo]

Isn't this basically admitting that their goal is terrible policy and the Dems are the adults in the room.

Pub policy. If Dems want it, fight it tooth and nail. Plus, give the miserable wealthy, more tax breaks. Plus bogus, morality wedge issues, for the purpose of distracting from the preceding policy above.

 

[fskimospy]

So he's going to magically pull off something his party couldn't manage when they unified control of government and it was their stated #1 goal, when they are out-of power of all three branches at the federal level?

Go ahead. Shoot yourself in your own dick with a gun you don't have.

Yes, people need to remember that their ACA repeal failed because it couldn’t get 50 votes, not 60. You can see by his flailing and outlandish threats how terrified Mitch is by removing the filibuster. Right now he knows the democrats can effectively NEVER enact large parts of their agenda, while his agenda (tax cuts and judges) is unaffected.

It is kind of funny though that McConnell views enactment of his preferred policies as a threat. Imagine Schumer threatening the country with universal health care.

 

[nOOky]

I'd agree except...where are they going to walk to?

Not vote at all, or vote some 3rd party wasted vote as a "protest" when the only people they hurt would be themselves. But yea, if the Dems can't find the will or the way to pass this, then we deserve the fallout.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Let just say, the Dems better do what ever it takes to get this passed. I know in my heart that Biden and the Senate Majority owes the black population coming out and voting in droves. If the Dems don't get this done, I wouldn't blame black people for walking away from the Democratic Party.

I find it upsetting that it's always the democratic party that is going to take the blame, when it's all 100% the republican' party that are the ones causing the problem and trying to suppress the votes of the minorities in this country, not just the blacks, even though they are the majority of the minorities.

To say "the democrat's better get this done" when in fact they have razor thin margin and the very foundation of our country is to have diversity in our ideas/beliefs/position at the federal level to ensure a fair and consistent government, which doesn't mean that every member of a party has to be 100% inline with the same ideology. That thinking is what has lead us to many of the problems of today, and has lead us to not have a fair an consistent government that works for the people. but one that works against the people, including minorities.

Party over country: "I must vote with party no matter what", leads to people getting flogged for doing the right thing because they didn't support the party. Look at the republican party and their retaliation against those that do not walk the line of the party just over the last year alone.

In this situation, yes, it's best for the country and it's citizens, but to blame the democrats if they can't get this passed with the razor thin majority in the Senate is just stupidity in the making and goes against reality of the uphill battle that is there to make it happen. By putting this stipulation on the democratic party with such a thin margin, You are saying that every member of the democratic party must be on the same page, which in itself is the road to mimicking the Republican Parties chosen path on how their party exists, removing the diversity that the democratic party has and leads to one way thinking, which will be the demise of this country if we keep start expecting such from either party.

Yes, they need to get this passed, but keep in mind that when you demand that all members of a party support a piece of legislation, the damage of such thinking can bring with it in the long term when it comes to legislation,. We want some diversity within our own party, even if we don't always agree with it, to keep our party healthy and our nation healthy. Otherwise the democratic party will end up like the GOP and implode some day. I know it's hard to do with razor thin margins on important issues.

 

[fskimospy]

I find it upsetting that it's always the democratic party that is going to take the blame, when it's all 100% the republican' party that are the ones causing the problem and trying to suppress the votes of the minorities in this country, not just the blacks, even though they are the majority of the minorities.

To say "the democrat's better get this done" when in fact they have razor thin margin and the very foundation of our country is to have diversity in our ideas/beliefs/position at the federal level to ensure a fair and consistent government, which doesn't mean that every member of a party has to be 100% inline with the same ideology. That thinking is what has lead us to many of the problems of today, and has lead us to not have a fair an consistent government that works for the people. but one that works against the people, including minorities.

Party over country: "I must vote with party no matter what", leads to people getting flogged for doing the right thing because they didn't support the party. Look at the republican party and their retaliation against those that do not walk the line of the party just over the last year alone.

In this situation, yes, it's best for the country and it's citizens, but to blame the democrats if they can't get this passed with the razor thin majority in the Senate is just stupidity in the making and goes against reality of the uphill battle that is there to make it happen. By putting this stipulation on the democratic party with such a thin margin, You are saying that every member of the democratic party must be on the same page, which in itself is the road to mimicking the Republican Parties chosen path on how their party exists, removing the diversity that the democratic party has and leads to one way thinking, which will be the demise of this country if we keep start expecting such from either party.

Yes, they need to get this passed, but keep in mind that when you demand that all members of a party support a piece of legislation, the damage of such thinking can bring with it in the long term when it comes to legislation,. We want some diversity within our own party, even if we don't always agree with it, to keep our party healthy and our nation healthy. Otherwise the democratic party will end up like the GOP and implode some day. I know it's hard to do with razor thin margins on important issues.

I don’t know if it’s that the Democrats are to blame, it’s that they need to win landslide elections every time just to get a bare minimum majority so to enact any agenda whatsoever they can’t afford defections.

This is why HR1 is so important, to restore balance to our democracy and make it so both parties have to compete for a majority of voters.

 

[cytg111]

I find it upsetting that it's always the democratic party that is going to take the blame, when it's all 100% the republican' party that are the ones causing the problem and trying to suppress the votes of the minorities in this country, not just the blacks, even though they are the majority of the minorities.

To say "the democrat's better get this done" when in fact they have razor thin margin and the very foundation of our country is to have diversity in our ideas/beliefs/position at the federal level to ensure a fair and consistent government, which doesn't mean that every member of a party has to be 100% inline with the same ideology. That thinking is what has lead us to many of the problems of today, and has lead us to not have a fair an consistent government that works for the people. but one that works against the people, including minorities.

Party over country: "I must vote with party no matter what", leads to people getting flogged for doing the right thing because they didn't support the party. Look at the republican party and their retaliation against those that do not walk the line of the party just over the last year alone.

In this situation, yes, it's best for the country and it's citizens, but to blame the democrats if they can't get this passed with the razor thin majority in the Senate is just stupidity in the making and goes against reality of the uphill battle that is there to make it happen. By putting this stipulation on the democratic party with such a thin margin, You are saying that every member of the democratic party must be on the same page, which in itself is the road to mimicking the Republican Parties chosen path on how their party exists, removing the diversity that the democratic party has and leads to one way thinking, which will be the demise of this country if we keep start expecting such from either party.

Yes, they need to get this passed, but keep in mind that when you demand that all members of a party support a piece of legislation, the damage of such thinking can bring with it in the long term when it comes to legislation,. We want some diversity within our own party, even if we don't always agree with it, to keep our party healthy and our nation healthy. Otherwise the democratic party will end up like the GOP and implode some day. I know it's hard to do with razor thin margins on important issues.

I dont think its "the democrat's better get this done" - as in all out all blame goes to dems, I think its "the democrat's better get this done" - as in "or this experiment is over". Trump might be dethroned but there is the whole disease underneath and if you dont cut it out the cancer will be back with a vengeance.
The adults in the room HAS to secure voting rights or see them diminished if not outright disappear forever.

 

[NWRMidnight]

I don’t know if it’s that the Democrats are to blame, it’s that they need to win landslide elections every time just to get a bare minimum majority so to enact any agenda whatsoever they can’t afford defections.

This is why HR1 is so important, to restore balance to our democracy and make it so both parties have to compete for a majority of voters.

I dont think its "the democrat's better get this done" - as in all out all blame goes to dems, I think its "the democrat's better get this done" - as in "or this experiment is over". Trump might be dethroned but there is the whole disease underneath and if you dont cut it out the cancer will be back with a vengeance.
The adults in the room HAS to secure voting rights or see them diminished if not outright disappear forever.

If the blame isn't being placed on the democrates, then why did the poster I was responding too, state that the blacks will walk away from the Democratic party?

I agree with both of you for the most part, but if anyone is going to walk away from a party if something doesn't succeed, then they are placing the blame on that party.

 

[cytg111]

If the blame isn't being placed on the democrates, then why did the poster I was responding too, state that the blacks will walk away from the Democratic party?

I agree with both of you for the most part, but if anyone is going to walk away from a party if something doesn't succeed, then they are placing the blame on that party.

My gut guess would be apathy. Giving up. Why even bother, nothing is ever going to change. Not so much as walking away from dems but walking away from everything. I think.
GQP is so far gone they are not even in the game, dems is the last hope, if that fails, what else is there? Nothing.