HR 1 urgently needs to pass through filibuster

[trenchfoot]

At one point either during the debate or an interview, Nancy Pelosi says the Republicans will vote no, but take the dough.

Well then, to be fair, every district that those Repub legislators come from who voted no (all of them) should not receive any of the funds being issued out from the relief package because those Repub controlled districts of whom their voters elected these Repubs to Congress to represent their interests don't want those relief funds or those voters wouldn't have sent these politicians to Congress in the first place, right? More for everyone else, nothing for the Repubs because they didn't want any of it.

 

[MrSquished]

I mean honestly, is it even possible to say how evil Republicans are at this point? I mean pure evil? Total evil? Encompassing evil? I mean what really accurately describes them at this point?

 

[weblooker2021]

I mean honestly, is it even possible to say how evil Republicans are at this point? I mean pure evil? Total evil? Encompassing evil? I mean what really accurately describes them at this point?

What are they doing now that they didn't do before? Seriously they shutdown Obama agenda once they won control and if they win control again in 2022 they will repeat it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

What are they doing now that they didn't do before? Seriously they shutdown Obama agenda once they won control and if they win control again in 2022 they will repeat it.

Obstruction and Obfuscation is a winning game plan for them. Tell us something we don't know. It'd be great if they cared about america

 

[dank69]

I mean honestly, is it even possible to say how evil Republicans are at this point? I mean pure evil? Total evil? Encompassing evil? I mean what really accurately describes them at this point?

When I signed up for FB back in 2009ish, I listed my political affiliation as "GOP is evil."

 

[cytg111]

"There's a fundamental difference between Democrats and Republicans," Kavanagh told CNN.

"Democrats value as many people as possible voting, and they're willing to risk fraud. Republicans are more concerned about fraud, so we don't mind putting security measures in that won't let everybody vote—but everybody shouldn't be voting.

"Not everybody wants to vote and, if somebody is uninterested in voting, that probably means that they're totally uninformed on the issues," he added. "Quantity is important, but we have to look at the quality of votes as well."

Don Lemon Attacks GOP Arizona Rep. Over Voting Restriction Comment

State Rep. John Kavanagh, who supports tighter limits, said Republicans believe "everybody shouldn't be voting."

www.newsweek.com

There you have it. GQP is not a pro democratic institution PER their own words.

 

[eelw]

Lol quality of the vote. As if Hicks are any more informed that recent immigrants

 

[woolfe9998]

Lol quality of the vote. As if Hicks are any more informed that recent immigrants

Yep, I thought it was interesting to hear him talk about the "quality" of the voters given the huge demographic shift in voting patterns in the Trump era, with poorly educated people shifting to the GOP and more educated people shifting to the democrats. Based on the current electoral makeup, if we were to impose a college degree requirement for voting, the GOP would lose every time.

 

[fskimospy]

Yep, I thought it was interesting to hear him talk about the "quality" of the voters given the huge demographic shift in voting patterns in the Trump era, with poorly educated people shifting to the GOP and more educated people shifting to the democrats. Based on the current electoral makeup, if we were to impose a college degree requirement for voting, the GOP would lose every time.

One silver lining to this massive attempt at voter suppression is that as the GOP coalition now includes significant numbers of low engagement voters they may end up suppressing their own people.

 

[cytg111]

One silver lining to this massive attempt at voter suppression is that as the GOP coalition now includes significant numbers of low engagement voters they may end up suppressing their own people.

Thats the Putin inspired GQP propaganda machine hard at work.

 

[VRAMdemon]

"There's a fundamental difference between Democrats and Republicans," Kavanagh told CNN.

"Democrats value as many people as possible voting, and they're willing to risk fraud. Republicans are more concerned about fraud, so we don't mind putting security measures in that won't let everybody vote—but everybody shouldn't be voting.

"Not everybody wants to vote and, if somebody is uninterested in voting, that probably means that they're totally uninformed on the issues," he added. "Quantity is important, but we have to look at the quality of votes as well."

Don Lemon Attacks GOP Arizona Rep. Over Voting Restriction Comment

State Rep. John Kavanagh, who supports tighter limits, said Republicans believe "everybody shouldn't be voting."

www.newsweek.com

There you have it. GQP is not a pro democratic institution PER their own words.

Whoa ... Why not just pass legislation outlawing voting for anyone who is not a Republican?

Ah yes. “everybody” should not be voting. Especially those people < wink > And pay attention to the quality of the votes. Everyone knows that "some" people < wink > don’t cast “quality” votes.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Moving from speculation to evidence, we now have before us an example of evidence – specifically “evidence of harm” relevant to a certain set of lawsuits:

Ohio County Rejects Dominion Voting Systems After Trump Supporters Balk

Commissioners in Stark County voted to reject a recommended purchase of Dominion voting machines. Former President Trump falsely accused the machines of switching votes for him to President Biden.

www.npr.org

Not, by itself, evidence of the full alleged $1,300,000,000 worth of harm, but definite irrefutable evidence that real economic harm has been done by the current and future defendants, whose lawyers may be feeling the need for a four martini lunch today.

 

[shortylickens]

How? Democrats are not prepared to use nuclear option to change filibuster rules. There will not be 10 Republicans senator to vote to end filibuster, so how will it pass?

Why don't you tell us?

 

[iRONic]

Lol quality of the vote. As if Hicks are any more informed that recent immigrants

Who are these 'Hicks' you're referring to?

 

[woolfe9998]

There is also a question about Kyrsten Sinema , i am not seeing her supporting any changes to reduce filibuster

AFAIK she has not been asked about reducing it, only about ending it, and from what I've read, she's a bit farther left of Manchin. So I tend to think if Manchin will go along with modifying the filibuster, she will too.

 

[hal2kilo]

Whoa ... Why not just pass legislation outlawing voting for anyone who is not a Republican?

Ah yes. “everybody” should not be voting. Especially those people < wink > And pay attention to the quality of the votes. Everyone knows that "some" people < wink > don’t cast “quality” votes.

Especially from urban Democratic hellholes (codeword for black people). /s

 

[woolfe9998]

Good editorial about how the GOP strategy going forward has nothing to do with policy arguments, that they are literally sitting on the sidelines while Biden helps us get out of the pandemic and the recession, because their only political strategy is gerrymandering and voter suppression.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/12/gop-strategy-crippling-biden-retaking-power-is-hiding-plain-sight/

Yep, exactly right. I only take issue with the headline "The GOP strategy for crippling Biden and retaking power is hiding in plain sight" Because it isn't hiding. It's just in plain sight. How many times do they have to say the quiet part out loud?

This is why they are screaming louder about HR1 than the stimulus bill or pretty much anything else. If the dems modify the filibuster and pass that bill, they are going to howl louder than they ever have howled about anything. Because it's taking aim at what is right now essentially their sole political strategy. They know that since they have committed to Trump and his creed, they cannot expand their base by persuasion, so the very idea of protecting voting rights and ending gerrymandering is a mortal threat to them.

 

[cytg111]

I thought this was interesting.

Child tax credit. UBI'ish ?

And ends just before the midterms.
We had this talk on here a few months back, let the people try out some of these "communist" "fascist" "evil" ideas for some time and see how they like them apples when GQP'ers will try to take it away again. Like with Obama Care, preexisting conditions.. that was a cold hard start for R's to get off the ground.. so cold it never went airborne, they just lied about it in media while trying to repeal it behind the scene.
I think its a brilliant move. Some people in camp Biden is thinking. Thats always a good sign.

 

[cytg111]

Listen to this woman

Democrat Abrams urges lifting filibuster for U.S. election reform bill

Stacey Abrams, an influential figure in Democratic circles, called on Sunday for the U.S. Senate to exempt election reform legislation passed by the House of Representatives over Republican opposition from a procedural hurdle called the filibuster.

www.reuters.com

 

[Fenixgoon]

Listen to this woman

Democrat Abrams urges lifting filibuster for U.S. election reform bill

Stacey Abrams, an influential figure in Democratic circles, called on Sunday for the U.S. Senate to exempt election reform legislation passed by the House of Representatives over Republican opposition from a procedural hurdle called the filibuster.

www.reuters.com

agreed. she knows how to win.

 

[pmv]

Lol quality of the vote. As if Hicks are any more informed that recent immigrants

I'm fine with Hicks having the vote. It's Hudson I worry about. And as for Gorman...

 

[woolfe9998]

I'm fine with Hicks having the vote. It's Hudson I worry about. And as for Gorman...

True, and if we can't get HR1 passed, we may as well nuke the country from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

 

[senseamp]

We are in a war for American democracy. Democrats should do whatever it takes to save it. Ditch the filibuster, pack the courts. The alternative is a SCOTUS blessed decline into a second Jim Crow, until blue states, which actually support most of the red states, have enough. Then all bets are off, but it will make ditching the filibuster and packing the courts look like a nothingburger in comparison.

 

[VRAMdemon]

"We don’t mind putting security measures in that won’t let everybody vote ― but everybody shouldn’t be voting,” John Kavanagh said. “Not everybody wants to vote, and if somebody is uninterested in voting, that probably means that they’re totally uninformed on the issues. … Quantity is important, but we have to look at the quality of votes, as well.”"

“Quality” voting: the new Republican buzz phrase.

Reading between the lines, it's an admission that capturing the middle, uncommitted, unpolarised, disinterested ground, is becoming hard for the Republican party in its current form and phase. But the problem to be solved is not to forbid that middle ground its right to vote, but to be relevant to that middle ground. If you think uninformed people are the problem and why you’re not getting votes, you’re doing a terrible job of informing them.

Republicans have completely given up on the idea that they can actually win elections based on persuasion; they have to win through tribal fear, vote mining, and vote ‘purification’ (see: rigging).

 

[HomerJS]

Still silence on what Republican policies the American people prefer over the Democrats.

Not even our resident trolls can answer this one