HR 1 urgently needs to pass through filibuster

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woolfe9998

Lifer
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Reading between the lines, it's an admission that capturing the middle, uncommitted, unpolarised, disinterested ground, is becoming hard for the Republican party in its current form and phase. But the problem to be solved is not to forbid that middle ground its right to vote, but to be relevant to that middle ground. If you think uninformed people are the problem and why you’re not getting votes, you’re doing a terrible job of informing them.

I'd say that's a charitable interpretation of what he actually meant by "quality." Consider what was meant when people said that, and they did, say, prior to the 1960's. That's probably what it still means.
 

Amol S.

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I think the Democrats may be able to ask the Supreme Court for some feedback or something in regards to H.R. 1. The fact is, the Republicans are claiming that H.R. 1 is unconstitutional because it removes the right for a fair chance in the election. The problem here is, I do not think if this type of argument in regards of fair chance as an interpretation of the constitution is being made, that such an act is in the discretion of the Congress. I rather think it should be with the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is the branch of government that is supposed to decide on how the constitution is supposed to be interpreted, not the Congress. The Republicans are getting stuck on the constitutional phrase "... to have fair elections ...". I think it is the Supreme Court's decision to decide on if it is to be interpreted as the people having a fair election, or the political parties having a fair chance at an election.
 

weblooker2021

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I think the Democrats may be able to ask the Supreme Court for some feedback or something in regards to H.R. 1. The fact is, the Republicans are claiming that H.R. 1 is unconstitutional because it removes the right for a fair chance in the election. The problem here is, I do not think if this type of argument in regards of fair chance as an interpretation of the constitution is being made, that such an act is in the discretion of the Congress. I rather think it should be with the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is the branch of government that is supposed to decide on how the constitution is supposed to be interpreted, not the Congress. The Republicans are getting stuck on the constitutional phrase "... to have fair elections ...". I think it is the Supreme Court's decision to decide on if it is to be interpreted as the people having a fair election, or the political parties having a fair chance at an election.
SCTOUS doesn't issue opinion if the bill is constitutional until it's the law and court case happens.
 

K1052

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McConnell is on the floor explaining that the Dems promised they wouldn't get rid of the filibuster and that Trump pushed him to do it and he said no. Problem with this is that here is no policy besides a tax cut that 50 Rs agree on so the filibuster's only utility is to the Republicans since it prevents Ds from making law.

He knows which way the wind is blowing and that the filibuster will be dramatically weakened is where its headed.
 

Fenixgoon

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McConnell is on the floor explaining that the Dems promised they wouldn't get rid of the filibuster and that Trump pushed him to do it and he said no. Problem with this is that here is no policy besides a tax cut that 50 Rs agree on so the filibuster's only utility is to the Republicans since it prevents Ds from making law.

He knows which way the wind is blowing and that the filibuster will be dramatically weakened is where its headed.
If I might paraphrase Mitch, "we'll do it because we can"
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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Texas gearing up to pass a raft of voter suppression laws.


Because they're pissed off about too many people showing up to vote for democrats in Harris County. No voter fraud found there. But they say it's an "emergency" all the sudden to pass these bills.

HR1 will override these bills under the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution. We need to pass HR1 so these authoritarian motherf*****s can stick these anti-democratic bills where the sun don't shine.
 
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woolfe9998

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McConnell is on the floor explaining that the Dems promised they wouldn't get rid of the filibuster and that Trump pushed him to do it and he said no. Problem with this is that here is no policy besides a tax cut that 50 Rs agree on so the filibuster's only utility is to the Republicans since it prevents Ds from making law.

He knows which way the wind is blowing and that the filibuster will be dramatically weakened is where its headed.

If the GOP stopped obstructing every piece of legislation, and learned to at least talk about compromise, there would be no need to weaken the filibuster. More than anyone, McConnell has created this situation, so zero fucks given about his complaints. He's the very reason they are going to do it!
 

K1052

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If the GOP stopped obstructing every piece of legislation, and learned to at least talk about compromise, there would be no need to weaken the filibuster. More than anyone, McConnell has created this situation, so zero fucks given about his complaints. He's the very reason they are going to do it!

Once one appreciates that obstruction is the one and only goal of Republicans (besides cutting corporate taxes) we can dispense with taking seriously anything McConnell says. Democrats after almost 20 years have finally learned this and are behaving accordingly.
 

zinfamous

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The Senate and Electoral College need to go away or the country needs to split and toss the southern/confederate garbage out of the union. That a DINO from WV, a total basket case if there ever was one, gets to hold up priorities that a majority of the country wants to see implemented not to mention the the states that run the 'financial' union, CA and NY, is just asinine.WV and the Dakotas should have 1/100 of the senators that CA/NY enjoy if that, not have their backward redneck populations' voting power outweigh the much more educated folks by 100x in the other direction.

...still better than keeping Mitch fucking McConnel in charge, and allowing him to continue his agenda of doing absolute jack shit but using his substantial power to enrich himself, and only himself, as is the definition of this career.

Understand that Mitch McConnell in charge, right now, is literally the only actual alternative to dealing with Joe Manchin. Now, stop bitching about an inconvenience that is actually 10k% better than the only alternative option.
 

zinfamous

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"We don’t mind putting security measures in that won’t let everybody vote ― but everybody shouldn’t be voting,” John Kavanagh said. “Not everybody wants to vote, and if somebody is uninterested in voting, that probably means that they’re totally uninformed on the issues. … Quantity is important, but we have to look at the quality of votes, as well.”"

“Quality” voting: the new Republican buzz phrase.

Reading between the lines, it's an admission that capturing the middle, uncommitted, unpolarised, disinterested ground, is becoming hard for the Republican party in its current form and phase. But the problem to be solved is not to forbid that middle ground its right to vote, but to be relevant to that middle ground. If you think uninformed people are the problem and why you’re not getting votes, you’re doing a terrible job of informing them.

Republicans have completely given up on the idea that they can actually win elections based on persuasion; they have to win through tribal fear, vote mining, and vote ‘purification’ (see: rigging).

uh, what kind of "quality voting" does the GQP expect to get from their majority paint-huffing constituency?
 
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VRAMdemon

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I'd say that's a charitable interpretation of what he actually meant by "quality." Consider what was meant when people said that, and they did, say, prior to the 1960's. That's probably what it still means.

Yes ... I addressed these "quality" people they are referring to in post #186. I just wanted to include all the other 'low quality" voters they don't want showing up to vote
 

iRONic

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I’m gonna play our favorite Battle Star Galactica poster.
If Mitch wanted promises kept, he should have kept is word about seating a Supreme Court Justice in an Election Year. Then his word would be trusted.
Speaking of SCOTUS Justices... Breyer is 82. Is it time for him to retire? JB could send up a nominee and prolly get a confirmation.

RBG got shit for not retiring when Obama had Sen & HoR majority which turned into these 3; Gorsuch, Boof, and ACB.
 

VRAMdemon

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McConnell is on the floor explaining that the Dems promised they wouldn't get rid of the filibuster and that Trump pushed him to do it and he said no. Problem with this is that here is no policy besides a tax cut that 50 Rs agree on so the filibuster's only utility is to the Republicans since it prevents Ds from making law.

He knows which way the wind is blowing and that the filibuster will be dramatically weakened is where its headed.

McConnell - "we’d strengthen America with all kinds of conservative policies with zero, zero input from the other side."

This is different from the former and current Republican policy in what way? So in other words, he’ll do what he was doing when he was in charge. If you invent fire, I will use it to burn everything to the ground! We already knew that the Republican Party isn’t interested in actually “strengthening” the country, but instead just playing partisan politics. So why keep deferring to them as though they were actually good-faith partners in governance.
 
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K1052

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McConnell - "we’d strengthen America with all kinds of conservative policies with zero, zero input from the other side."

This is different from the former and current Republican policy in what way? So in other words, he’ll do what he was doing when he was in charge. If you invent fire, I will use it to burn everything to the ground! We already knew that the Republican Party isn’t interested in actually “strengthening” the country, but instead just playing partisan politics. So why keep deferring to them as though they were actually good-faith partners in governance.

Basically: "I will pass unpopular legislation left and right that will see my party ejected from power once voters realize what's happened".

The reality is that he prefers their policy goals mostly be achieved through the courts instead of legislation and has stacked the judiciary to make it so.
 

brycejones

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McConnell threatening a scorched earth policy if the filibuster is weakened: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/us/mcconnell-filibuster-senate.html
Edit: Seems that someone already posted something on this in the thread

Seems like a tactic that will backfire spectacularly and grease the wheels of further weakening minority power and the filibuster in the Senate.
How is his position any different than what he did as majority leader during the Obama administration? During Trump he had zero respect for the minority party in the Senate.
Fuck Mitch McConnell with a nail studded baseball bat.
 

uclaLabrat

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How is his position any different than what he did as majority leader during the Obama administration? During Trump he had zero respect for the minority party in the Senate.
Fuck Mitch McConnell with a nail studded baseball bat.
I mean that was the joke behind the headline above. What threat is there for McConnell to go scorched earth when he was fucking well going to do it anyway?

I good line I saw earlier said the dems should use his own quote against him. "Were going to do this because we can".

Hes still pissed he tried to wield the same power and couldn't even get 50 votes for their singular stated goal of repealing obamacare.
 
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