HS Basketball flagrant foul no-calls goes viral

[HumblePie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed3umTuRTqo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWGhtpJhPjY


here's what intent looks like. sticking your arm out in a poor attempt to block a shot does not qualify. everyone is blinded by the fact that the kid fell hard. not to mention #5 is the only foul remotely close to a flagrant

When a professional athlete makes the same actions it's intentional and easy to tell because they are skilled enough. But because Mr Fatty isn't a professional you don't think he's "skilled" enough to respond to movements of the ball to not make those fouls? I think you are deluding yourself. This isn't a pickup game where Mr. Fatty just plays a game or two every so often at recess. This is a high school team. I doubt he just got picked to play for the game the day before. I could understand fouls of this nature from a person that just started playing and of his size. However, he is on a TEAM that practices. He had to be picked over others and thus he has some coordination. Just assuming Mr Fatty has no coordination and that is the cause for the fouls is gross stupidity on your part. The kid has been doing this for YEARS and does it because he knows he can intentionally foul and get away with it.


Your assumption that Mr Fatty is just an uncoordinated, no talent, hack on the court is retarded. The more logical assumption that he was placed on the team because he has some skills, has practiced the game, and is thus making these fouls by intention. Thus those fouls are flagrant in nature.

 

[vi edit]

lol are you serious? you think all he did was "simply stick his arm straight out at his head level" and that's it?

No I'm saying that when there are serious difference in height and/or weight between players the little guy usually ends up a much worse blow than someone else closer in size would have taken. A lot of this stuff looks so bad because the players have major size disparities. This video seriously looks like a high school team playing a JR high school team. If the other players were bigger they would have been looked at as hard fouls and nothing more.

I do think the fat kid is a slow, umbering oaf and has no place on a basketball court. But to call all of these "flagrant" is a joke.

 

[Anubis]

Alright, now you made me waste 5 minutes of my life watching that again.

#1) The ogre basically takes a swing at the opposing player.

#2) Ogre's buddy throws the opposing player out of bounds with 2 hands. Try that at the gym at your own risk, but it has no place in organized ball.

#3) Are you kidding me? The ogre loses his ogre-jock on a fake and clubs the other player on the head. This is almost as bad as the clothesline.

#4) Ogre's buttbuddy shoves an an opposing player into another one with no attempt to play the ball. The only intent was to take out 2 opposing players.

#5) no explantion necessary. Should have been an immediate ejection and subsequent suspension.

#1) is just a hard foul, he goes for the ball and misses because he is slow/ late
2) not even really a hard foul. he reaches around and swats at the ball but gets the arm
3) is a hard foul but not flagrant he goes for the block and the dude jukes him out of his shoes, it only looks bad because of teh size difference between the 2 players
4) looks worse then it is, the 2nd player on the other team (one without the ball) jumps in front of the other dude to block him (which is a foul BTW) gives the other kid 0 time to get out of the way. he had 2 options. simply run him over or push him out of the way.
5) this is the only flagrant foul and that is pretty debateable

 

[velillen]

#1) is just a hard foul, he goes for the ball and misses because he is slow/ late
2) not even really a hard foul. he reaches around and swats at the ball but gets the arm
3) is a hard foul but not flagrant he goes for the block and the dude jukes him out of his shoes, it only looks bad because of teh size difference between the 2 players
4) looks worse then it is, the 2nd player on the other team (one without the ball) jumps in front of the other dude to block him (which is a foul BTW) gives the other kid 0 time to get out of the way. he had 2 options. simply run him over or push him out of the way.
5) this is the only flagrant foul and that is pretty debateable

i dont know much about basketball (used to play...havent in years) but thats the same impression i got from all of them. #5 i though was pretty flagrant myself though. #4 my first thought was why didnt the foul get called on the red team player. he runs in front and tries to stop in front of the white team player.


But it would be interesting to see the whole game. You can edit anything and make it appear one team is doing everything bad when the other team is playing dirty too.

 

[HumblePie]

No I'm saying that when there are serious difference in height and/or weight between players the little guy usually ends up a much worse blow than someone else closer in size would have taken. A lot of this stuff looks so bad because the players have major size disparities. This video seriously looks like a high school team playing a JR high school team. If the other players were bigger they would have been looked at as hard fouls and nothing more.

I do think the fat kid is a slow, umbering oaf and has no place on a basketball court. But to call all of these "flagrant" is a joke.

WTF are you smoking? #34 is the same height if not an inch or so SHORTER than the kid he clotheslined. He has more weight than the kid, but he's most certainly not taller you moron. Most of the kids on either team are the same height or close to it.

Again this ain't no blacktop pickup game your doof. These are kids on an organized team that have PRACTICE behind them and have been usually picked for their skills over OTHER kids to play. That alone tells me Mr. Fatty isn't some "lumbering oaf" as you seem to think. He may not be the fastest kid out there with the quickest hands, but he has some coordination or he wouldn't be playing at all. Yah accidental fouls happen in sports. Sometimes people even get hurt. Shit happens. But the crap this kid is pulling aren't accidents. He knows exactly what he's doing to commit those fouls.

 

[TecHNooB]

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[gonzaga1751]

As someone who grew up in Eastern Washington I have to say I'm not surprised. Around here everyone thinks they are a big Texas hick that thinks HS football is the shit. Also the refs for HS basketball usually just don't care and have no respect for the game.

 

[purbeast0]

No I'm saying that when there are serious difference in height and/or weight between players the little guy usually ends up a much worse blow than someone else closer in size would have taken. A lot of this stuff looks so bad because the players have major size disparities. This video seriously looks like a high school team playing a JR high school team. If the other players were bigger they would have been looked at as hard fouls and nothing more.

I do think the fat kid is a slow, umbering oaf and has no place on a basketball court. But to call all of these "flagrant" is a joke.

i'm not saying they are ALL flagrant, but it's 100% obvious that pretty much all of them are intentional fouls with no intent to even make a play on the ball.

 

[sourceninja]

When I was in HS, that kind of shit would have ended in a pretty big fist fight. I don't blame the kid, I blame the refs and coaches for letting it happen.

 

[purbeast0]

When I was in HS, that kind of shit would have ended in a pretty big fist fight. I don't blame the kid, I blame the refs and coaches for letting it happen.

you don't blame the kid at all? really?

so the refs and coaches forced him to do this? come on now...

 

[vi edit]

i'm not saying they are ALL flagrant, but it's 100% obvious that pretty much all of them are intentional fouls with no intent to even make a play on the ball.

I don't disagree. Almost all of them were intended. But the only one I see as deserving flagrant was #5 at which point he should have been tossed. Yes the refs deserve some heat for that, but the drama around this is funny to me. Maybe I just grew up in an area that was more tolerant of this type of physical play.

 

[purbeast0]

I don't disagree. Almost all of them were intended. But the only one I see as deserving flagrant was #5 at which point he should have been tossed. Yes the refs deserve some heat for that, but the drama around this is funny to me. Maybe I just grew up in an area that was more tolerant of this type of physical play.

yah i agree that the video shouldn't have "gone viral" or deserved a news article.

 

[Tweak155]

The way the kid reacts after the fact just makes it more obvious these were his intentions. He walks around looking accomplished or even smiling. You people defending him and giving him excuses are also part of the problem. If he really was a bad player then it still holds merit he should be removed from the team and considered a danger to others. There is no such thing as this working out in his favor.

 

[vi edit]

yah i agree that the video shouldn't have "gone viral" or deserved a news article.

I went and looked up the school in question and if I found the right one they are 1-7 in their conference. They do strike me as a bunch of skilless hacks and thugs and their record proves that. There are teams like this all across the US sad to say.

 

[purbeast0]

The way the kid reacts after the fact just makes it more obvious these were his intentions. He walks around looking accomplished or even smiling. You people defending him and giving him excuses are also part of the problem. If he really was a bad player then it still holds merit he should be removed from the team and considered a danger to others. There is no such thing as this working out in his favor.

to be fair, if you ever played in organized basketball at a higher level (HS and above), you are coached to walk away from a player after you foul em, regardless of how soft or hard it is. you aren't coached to be all apologetic and say you are sorry and stuff for a foul.

that said, his devilish smile made me LOL and obviously they were all intentional.

 

[sourceninja]

you don't blame the kid at all? really?

so the refs and coaches forced him to do this? come on now...

No, they allow him to do it. Kids need guidance to learn right from wrong, it's not built in. This kids behavior is systemic failing of parents, teachers, coaches, etc.

 

[HumblePie]

No, they allow him to do it. Kids need guidance to learn right from wrong, it's not built in. This kids behavior is systemic failing of parents, teachers, coaches, etc.

Sigh, entitlement mentality.

If the kid was 8 years old I would most certainly agree. Or if the kid had a mental impairment as well. To a point we are products of how we were raised. Even still, there comes a point in every person's life when our brain kicks in and we learn to think for ourselves. We learn to use LOGIC AND REASON. Everyone without a mental impairment is capable of this. Some people just chose not to use that part of the brain and just want to rely on baser instincts. I'm going to assert that by the time a kid reaches senior age in high school (16, 17 or 18) they have the ability to start thinking for themselves and being able to rationalize between right and wrong. At which point I have zero sympathy for douche bags and assholes who KNOW they are doing wrong, but do it because they enjoy it. If the kid didn't know he was doing bad and wasn't enjoying it then he wouldn't have that shit-eating grin on his face.

His reactions after every foul show his true moral character and rationalization. He does this because it makes him feel good to hurt others and get away with it.

There comes a point where the blame for a person's actions shifts solely upon themselves. This kid has far reached that point. Yes to a point his parents, teachers, coaches, etc have failed. But there is only so much blamed that can be assigned to others for the actions of this douche bag McFatty.

 

[sourceninja]

Sigh, entitlement mentality.

If the kid was 8 years old I would most certainly agree. Or if the kid had a mental impairment as well. To a point we are products of how we were raised. Even still, there comes a point in every person's life when our brain kicks in and we learn to think for ourselves. We learn to use LOGIC AND REASON. Everyone without a mental impairment is capable of this. Some people just chose not to use that part of the brain and just want to rely on baser instincts. I'm going to assert that by the time a kid reaches senior age in high school (16, 17 or 18) they have the ability to start thinking for themselves and being able to rationalize between right and wrong. At which point I have zero sympathy for douche bags and assholes who KNOW they are doing wrong, but do it because they enjoy it. If the kid didn't know he was doing bad and wasn't enjoying it then he wouldn't have that shit-eating grin on his face.

His reactions after every foul show his true moral character and rationalization. He does this because it makes him feel good to hurt others and get away with it.

There comes a point where the blame for a person's actions shifts solely upon themselves. This kid has far reached that point. Yes to a point his parents, teachers, coaches, etc have failed. But there is only so much blamed that can be assigned to others for the actions of this douche bag McFatty.

The coach lets him play that way. So the coach WANTS him to play that way. If the coach didn't let him play that way, he would either not play, learn to play the game properly. I highly doubt he thinks what he is doing is wrong, but rather, that it is part of the game.

I played hockey when I was a kid, I was taught that my job in hockey was to 'take out' players. I never saw it as wrong, I saw the penalties as part of the game and I was just doing what I was told to by an adult. My coach was to blame for being as asshole.

You can't expect someone who was raised to be a douchebag suddenly not be a douchebag because he turned 17. People only change due to consequences in their lives. NO consequences, no change.

 

[vi edit]

There's not a doubt in my mind that his behavior was at least encouraged by his coach if not even instructed.

 

[OrByte]

1: he wasn't going for the ball and swatted.
2) foul. the kid does not know what he is doing
3) watch it. he does not go for the ball and open punches down.
4) he pushes the player. yeah flagrant but nothing major.
5) he should have been thrown out. a Technical at the least. he grabbed the guy around (looks like) the neck. he was not going for the ball at all.
6) he goes over the back and then pushes down on the guy


all but 5 are marks of a really bad player. 5 was intentional trying to hurt the guy.

this is a kid who is only on the floor for one reason and that's to do what he was doing. he has little skills in blocking, guarding and defense. But he is big and willing to smack people without fear or one of them knocking his ass on the ground.

nasty playing by a nasty coach and player.

perfect synopsis. agreed sir!

the coach should be fired. This type of play is fostered and condoned.

Actually I think #3 is the worst.

 

[Perknose]

I don't disagree. Almost all of them were intended. But the only one I see as deserving flagrant was #5 at which point he should have been tossed.

^^^ Exactly my take on the matter. There is true difference between an intended foul and a flagrant foul. There is even a true difference between an intended hard foul and a flagrant foul.

But yeah, cumulatively, after that fifth, truly flagrant foul, #34 should have been tossed.

I'd also like to speak to all those saying things like, "the refs don't care." One thing I have never seen on any organized level -- junior HS, HS, legion ball, AAU -- is refs that didn't care. At every single level and no matter what, all I ever encountered was refs that cared completely about their craft.

 

[Theb]

none of them were flagrant...

most weren't even close. the one where the kid falls hard is just unfortunate physics. little kid in the air vs. a big kid and a little contact. people seem blinded by the fact that the kid fell hard and could have gotten hurt. the rest of the calls were no where near flagrant, which hurts the video poster's credibility

How does someone not get up and punch the little fuck right in the face?

It looked like the kid was thinking about it after number 4. The restraint displayed after all that horseshit reflects very well on the maroon team and their coach.

 

[Corporate Thug]

none of them were flagrant...

most weren't even close. the one where the kid falls hard is just unfortunate physics. little kid in the air vs. a big kid and a little contact. people seem blinded by the fact that the kid fell hard and could have gotten hurt. the rest of the calls were no where near flagrant, which hurts the video poster's credibility

do you have any idea what a flagrant foul is? Do you think 34 was playing the ball on foul 5?

 

[randomrogue]

Watch the video again. You can tell that 34 is doing it on purpose by his facial grins. He's an oaf and not even playing basketball. That's closer to jungleball except its a one sided game since the other team didn't do the same thing in those clips.

 

[PowerEngineer]

Now officially viral! It's posted under "latest news" on CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t3.../point-high-school-basketball-fouls-viral.cnn

I'm surprised how many posters seem ready to accept #34's thuggish behavior because they can convince themselves that his fouls are somehow not "flagrant". Regardless of how a flagrant foul is defined in the rule book, that kid was obviously and intentionally "playing" in a way that would injure other players sooner or later. Neither he nor his coach can avoid taking responsibility for this.