HTC One 2014 (M8)

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Defensive much?

HTC and Sony's problem is that at a certain bulk there's precious little reason to buy the small-screen device instead of the Note 3 or GPro 2.
I like how when I talked about the iPhone 4 being a nice weight at 140g compared to the Galaxy S's 120g, he went off about how nice it is to have a light phone. Now he's off saying 160g = no issue. Anyway I have yet to hold a 160g phone, but given its size, it might be a non-issue. But still. I love how people flip flop.

You misunderstood. I'm fine with bigger frames if the screen-to-frame ratio is increased. I feel like Samsung could have fit a 5.2" screen in the S5's frame.

You're complaining about a 0.1" increase?
 

QueBert

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I don't get why people are so into metal phones to begin with. They suck to hold, are cold with sharp edges, are more expensive and often are heavier. Oh, and the metal interferes with wireless reception.

Suck to hold how? My One feels solid and wonderful in my hand. I can't explain it other than metal had a beautiful feel to it that I just don't get with any plastic. After buying the One I doubt I could ever bring myself to buy a plastic phone again. Even the higher quality plastic ones like the Xperia, something just feels like it's missing.
 

Bateluer

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I like how when I talked about the iPhone 4 being a nice weight at 140g compared to the Galaxy S's 120g, he went off about how nice it is to have a light phone. Now he's off saying 160g = no issue. Anyway I have yet to hold a 160g phone, but given its size, it might be a non-issue. But still. I love how people flip flop.

Me? Don't I ever stated such. I distinctly recall complaining about the flimsy feel and build quality of the extremely cheap Galaxy S1s, particularly the Fascinate that one could flex with a pair of fingers. Hopefully you're backing me up here as I just called out the flip floppers earlier a few posts before yours.
 

WelshBloke

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posting this again....
the space under the htc logo contains digitizer hardware. it's not empty space.

The phone is freeking huge, its not like they are short of space to put things.

They should have put capacitive buttons on the HTC bar if they are going to keep it, and a decent camera.
 

WelshBloke

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Not clear regarding their LTE.

Which 700 MHz band? All of them? If so this is still a pretty limited subset. I don't understand why the OEMs are not pushing for a 1 SKU strategy like Apple, it would benefit their distribution and also make it easier to roam w/ 1 phone.

But maybe that description is just bad and maybe GSM Arena has a better breakdown of the bands:

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_%28m8%29-6074.php

I'm guessing this is the "T-Mobile" model??

https://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/
 

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Yeah, even Apple can't avoid having to build a couple of variants for each phone. LTE radios just aren't at the point where you can handle every conceivable frequency in one chip. It's part of why there wasn't an LTE-capable iPhone until 2012 -- you practically had to build a different phone for each carrier at a certain point.
 

lothar

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It annoys me when people pick up an almost meaningless aspect to bitch and rant about. Its 20 grams. My house key weighs several times that. My pen weighs several times that. My retainers weigh more than that. The plastic eye drop vials I carry weigh more than that. The TPU case I slapped on my 2013 One weighs more than that. 20 grams worth of extra weight should not even factor into your psyche, especially when for that imperceptible weight you gain a metal bodied phone instead of the uber cheap plastic of a certain other big Android manufacturer.

People complaining about the bezels have a slightly better position, the black HTC bar makes the bottom look bad. Motorola's Razr HD line was similar because of the giant Verizon logo on the bottom. Ideally, HTC would relocate their logo to the rear of the phone and either eliminate that bar entirely or shrink it down considerably. The extra bezel from the speakers is a necessary requirement to support the speakers. Its sad that only Sony and HTC have front facing speakers . . . Samsung seems content to have their single mono speaker in the rear.

HTC One weighs 20g? where?

20g of extra weight means you're in the Galaxy Note and LG territory.
You damn well better offer a bigger screen and/or a pen to go with it if you're entering the "phablet" territory.

Not everyone that isn't impressed with this new HTC phone is a Samsung fan. Nice try though.
Moto X has excellent plastic look and feel. So does the Nexus 5. Neither of those look like cheap "Samsung" plastic.
 

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I heard a theory the Samsung got bigger because of the water proofing. Guess that's why the Xperia phones are so freaking huge too compared to their screen size. HTC of course has those speakers.

I do like this chart the compares screen size to phone size ratios. Though it doesn't account for on-screen buttons that use up screen space. And doesn't have newer phones on it yet. The LG G2 is at the top of the list, but I just got a Note 3 and it's right behind it and has no on-screen buttons.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Here...nes-for-their-screen-size-infographic_id52529

I have to say I'm not sure where I stand on the whole waterproofing movement. I get the value of it - having dropped my iPhone 3GS in the toilet 2 months after getting it and having to pay for a new one. However, in the subsequent 5 years, I've never dropped my phone in water.

So personally, I'd probably prefer the LG G2 route - smaller phones with bigger screens. Then offer an 'Active' version for those who are willing to accept the larger size and weight.
 

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It's a little concerning that this is a somewhat heavy phone with a slippery back.
Engadget's video review mentioned it's like a wet fish. Hmmm.

I have have the phone an all I can say is that reviewer must have really sweaty palms. It isn't nearly as slippery as any glossy plastic backed phone with a coating of smudgy skin oil on it. Doesn't feel notably heavy or slippery in any way to me.
 

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The original HTC One is just the right size (if not just a little bit big). This device looks beautiful, but I hate the bigger screen, as it makes the device just overly big.

My friend last night described the M8 as looking like a bloated M7. I prefer the footprint of the M7 for sure.
 

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So personally, I'd probably prefer the LG G2 route - smaller phones with bigger screens. Then offer an 'Active' version for those who are willing to accept the larger size and weight.

I agree. I bought the Active last year because of the LCD screen vs the S4's OLED. While I certainly appreciated the water protection (I frequent the beach in the summer) I would have greatly preferred the lighter weight of the S4. Also, the USB flap drove me nuts. Wait till people start using their S5's. I bet some people will cut the flap off and risk the water dangers.
 

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My friend last night described the M8 as looking like a bloated M7. I prefer the footprint of the M7 for sure.

Me too. I would honestly buy an M7 over an M8 if I had to pick one today, even at the same price. I would get an S5 over an S4 though, so I guess (to me) Samsung wins this round.
 
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It's a figurative speech. I understand they're not at 1 model yet. They've unified the US models into one, so there's no separate CDMA model anymore. The last 2 models are for China, so really it's just 2-3 main models. The iPad goes further (https://www.apple.com/ipad/LTE/) where it's 1 model for the world.

My point is that the M8 still fragments the US market and splits the AT&T and T-Mobile models as well as the CDMA models. On top of that there's 2 worldwide models. Sometimes I can understand if Japan or China gets their own models because China uses TD-SCDMA and Japan uses a weird CDMA as well.

It's not a dealbreaker for me, but it'd be nice to move towards more and more bands in one phone. The Nexus 5 for example has 7 bands.
 

Bateluer

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HTC One weighs 20g? where?

20 grams of extra weight, not 20 grams of total weight. I was quite clear.


Not everyone that isn't impressed with this new HTC phone is a Samsung fan. Nice try though.

Didn't say the naysayers and haters were all Samsung fans.

Moto X has excellent plastic look and feel. So does the Nexus 5. Neither of those look like cheap "Samsung" plastic.

There's quite a few good phones made from plastic. Metal still gives a great feel that is hard to replicate with plastic, if you can at all. I think Moto's kevlar backs came closest.
 

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This was the other phone I was holding out for.
Looks like I didn't miss out on too much other than the SD card.
 

jpeyton

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You're complaining about a 0.1" increase?
No, I'm complaining that they couldn't fit 5.2" of screen into a smaller frame, like LG did.

I don't care AT ALL about absolute screen size after a certain point. Anything over 4.7" is fine by me, although other people might have a different lower/upper limit.

What I DO care about is the ratio between screen size and area of the phone's front surface. We should be continually moving towards more screen and less bezel in every generation; if it move backwards, that's a problem.

HTC has obviously hit that issue with the M8. The Xperia Z1 also has a big problem with bezels. The G2 is what manufacturers should aim for.
 

lothar

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It's a figurative speech. I understand they're not at 1 model yet. They've unified the US models into one, so there's no separate CDMA model anymore. The last 2 models are for China, so really it's just 2-3 main models. The iPad goes further (https://www.apple.com/ipad/LTE/) where it's 1 model for the world.

My point is that the M8 still fragments the US market and splits the AT&T and T-Mobile models as well as the CDMA models. On top of that there's 2 worldwide models. Sometimes I can understand if Japan or China gets their own models because China uses TD-SCDMA and Japan uses a weird CDMA as well.

It's not a dealbreaker for me, but it'd be nice to move towards more and more bands in one phone. The Nexus 5 for example has 7 bands.
No, they have not.

iPhone 5s
Model A1533 (GSM) = AT&T and T-Mobile
Model A1533 (CDMA) = Verizon
Model A1453 = Sprint

There are still 3 separate iPhones for US carriers.
But I understand what you're trying to say, and I generally support your conclusion. I'm just nitpicking, that's all.
 
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If you haven't seen it, the Anandtech review has been posted!

by Anand Lal Shimpi & Joshua Ho on March 26, 2014 7:00 PM EST
Is Brian Klug still on the team?
If so, then it looks like Anand finally decided to listen to us after all and reached our same conclusion that the "smartphone" category is too much work for just one person alone.

That said, I'm eager to see what they'll say about the MicroSD slot.
 

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Regarding that one iPhone model in the US. Something to keep in mind regarding that is the iPhone is probably the only high end phone that still can't talk and use data at the same time on CDMA networks. While most Android phones have worked around that issue with another radio or however they do it.

We use iPhones on Verizon and it's so freaking annoying only the iPhone really seems to still have this limitation.
 

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Is Brian Klug still on the team?
If so, then it looks like Anand finally decided to listen to us after all and reached our same conclusion that the "smartphone" category is too much work for just one person alone.
Yeah, they ended up with one of the more prominent HTC apologists in the Android comment world though.
 

Ravynmagi

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I so want to love this phone, I really like that aluminum design. It's just that size issue with the speakers. And I was thinking, as much as I love those front facing speakers, they really present a lot of design problems for the phone. If the speakers or bezel can't be shrunk down, then I'd be okay with HTC moving the speakers to the sides or bottom.

I love the front facing speakers, but I think I love their aluminum body and curved design more. So if they could make that with a minimal bezel, I could be okay sacrificing those boom sound speakers for it. Because sadly I just can't get myself to buy the M8 with that funky long design now.
 

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Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that both the HTC One M8 and SGS5 have kept almost the exact same screen size as the GS4, but are in noticeably bigger shells?

I thought the trend would be bigger screens and smaller bezels/frames. LG has the right idea. Give me a G2 with a physical home button and that would be worth upgrading for. With on-screen buttons, the G2's screen size advantage disappears.

if you root and mod your G2 this is hardly an issue. you can shrink the on-screen buttons to about 10 pixels (+/- 1mm) and use a 3 finger swipe gesture to make them (and your notification bar) disappear temporarily no matter what app you are in. I find the buttons are no harder to use when shrunk to that size, since you can swipe from below to push them.

rooting is something I recommend to pretty much anyone on a +/- 5 inch phone, cause you're going to want to adjust the silly 480 dpi setting that makes everything look cramped and cartoonish anyway. once you've seen how much more space for content you get at a setting closer to 340 you'll never want to go back.

americans should count themselves lucky for being able to buy phones with 1 year warranties; there is a legal mandate to offer 2 years here (netherlands) and this is reflected in the price you pay for the phone (exchange rate adjusted). really annoying when you're going to void it anyway.


as to the HTC M8 - if they just took the old One and upgraded it incrementally, made it slightly faster, slicker and smaller, it would have been an awesome device. This thing I just really don't see the point of. I get the impression android OEMs have no idea what they're doing at this stage.
 

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I don't get why they had to make the phone larger -- and remove OIS. Both seem pointless. My DNA is the largest I'd want a phone to be, and I think my friend's M7 was a beautiful phone.
 
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