HTC One vs Samsung Galaxy S4 vs Nexus 4

[NikolaeVarius]

Fastest read on here is 20 MBps

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407326,00.asp

Why do you go to PC mag and not DIRECTLY to the sandish website.

http://www.sandisk.com/products/memory-cards/microsd/extremepro-uhs-i/?capacity=16GB

 

[ChronoReverse]

You are trading off though, if my Nexus 4 had an SD slot, it would have to have small door somewhere that would take away from the design of the phone. There's no way to add SD card support to a phone like this, an iPhone or any other similar device without fucking up the aesthetic. While I would like more storage, I don't want an SD card slot killing the design of my phone. Even the Sim card slot kind of kills it somewhat, but there's no way to avoid that I guess.

So? You need the door for the SIM right? Make it a little longer and have it hold both the microSD and SIM. It's just engineering in the end. There's no need to have a tradeoff.


@AMDzen

It's kinda hilarious how you managed to find the worse case scenario and it STILL beats out the HTC One's write speeds (the usual bottleneck in phones).

 

[WelshBloke]

The performance of mSD and SD is TERRIBLE!!!! The performance of the built in storage is so much better that everything you use, APPS and stuff, you want on internal storage and everything else is on the cloud. With all the cloud storage out there, why wouldn't you rather have most of your pics out there any way.

AT's latest podcast lays into it all very well and why nobody in the tech community cares now about removable storage. I love everything they say on this latest podcast. Good stuff.

Wait...

MicroSD is too slow so we should use cloud storage?

 

[AMDZen]

Why do you go to PC mag and not DIRECTLY to the sandish website.

http://www.sandisk.com/products/memory-cards/microsd/extremepro-uhs-i/?capacity=16GB

You honestly believe those are real world numbers because sandisk reports them for their own device?

They don't get anywhere even close to that performance in testing. Show me one link by a tech blog testing them that shows anything even close to their supposed performance.

 

[blackangst1]

It's strange. I don't know why people would argue AGAINST SD cards when it's not like you're trading off something for it. It only adds to the device and doesn't subtract anything because which 2013 flagship phone doesn't start at 16GB (and topping out at 64GB)?

I dont think its a matter of arguing AGAINST SD cards so much as arguing its not important. Just because people like me say they can manage without one in order to get other features they want does NOT mean theyre saying its not a feature they would choose not to have given the choice. With the advent of cloud storage, dropbox, and the like, I just dont think an SD card is as important as it was say 2 years ago.

 

[AMDZen]

@AMDzen

It's kinda hilarious how you managed to find the worse case scenario and it STILL beats out the HTC One's write speeds (the usual bottleneck in phones).

Worst case scenario? LOL

ANd the HTC one was ahead of the GSG4 in one of those tests any way so we can cherry pick all we want

 

[ChronoReverse]

Worst case scenario? LOL

ANd the HTC one was ahead of the GSG4 in one of those tests any way so we can cherry pick all we want

What are you talking about? I'm just saying that the HTC One's class-leading write speed (20MB/s) is slower than the microSD from your link:

I popped all three cards into a Verizon Wireless Samsung Galaxy S III ($199.99, 4.5 stars) and ran the Antutu SD card speed benchmark. All three cards gave roughly a 20MBps read speed, although the write speeds varied quite a lot: the 29.6MBps of the Extreme Pro easily bested the 15.2MBps average write speed of the other two cards.

This incidentally also shows that their testing rig is flawed and is clearly limiting the card results:

The Extreme Pro wrote at 18.49MBps

 

[AMDZen]

What are you talking about? I'm just saying that the HTC One's class-leading write speed (20MB/s) is slower than the microSD from your link:



This incidentally also shows that their testing rig is flawed and is clearly limiting the card results:

HTC ONE faster than GSG4

 

[ChronoReverse]

HTC ONE faster than GSG4

Wow. Reading comprehension issues.



Ladies and Gentlemen, I think here we have absolute proof of AMDZen's irrational crusade against the GS4 to the point where even though I'm saying the Htc One has class leading write speeds, he still feels the need to point out, non sequitor since I was talking about fast microSD cards, that the GS4 is slower.

 

[dawheat]

Biggest advantage of mSD is cost. For $35 you get 64gb of storage that's more than fast enough for movies, music, and photos. If manufacturers would stop abusing us (though HTC and Samsung are better at only$50 iincrements). So call me happy in saving $65 and still having more storage.

PS I despise apples pricing structure - $200 more to get 64gb? Please.

 

[blairharrington]

The performance of mSD and SD is TERRIBLE!!!! The performance of the built in storage is so much better that everything you use, APPS and stuff, you want on internal storage and everything else is on the cloud. With all the cloud storage out there, why wouldn't you rather have most of your pics out there any way.

AT's latest podcast lays into it all very well and why nobody in the tech community cares now about removable storage. I love everything they say on this latest podcast. Good stuff.

This freaks me out. I'm planning on using an SD card for the first time with the Optimus G Pro. In the past I've just used iPhone's.

I need to be able to store my music collection on the SD card. I can't rely on data to stream my collection. My cap is 2 GB a month and I average 1.5 GB in my current usage which does not entail streamed music. I also like the idea of going on vacation and being able to shoot video and pictures directly onto an SD card.

 

[WelshBloke]

I dont think its a matter of arguing AGAINST SD cards so much as arguing its not important. Just because people like me say they can manage without one in order to get other features they want does NOT mean theyre saying its not a feature they would choose not to have given the choice. With the advent of cloud storage, dropbox, and the like, I just dont think an SD card is as important as it was say 2 years ago.

To an extent that's true but there's more scope for making large files now. How big would an hours worth of HD video recorded on a modern phone be?

Also not everyone lives in an area with great reception.

I certainly think there's an argument to be made for local storage on devices, whether it's an SDcard or a lot of built in storage.

 

[ChronoReverse]

Also not everyone lives in an area with great reception.

And some of us live in places with more ridiculous prices for data. The Americans complain about their rates at lot but up here in Canada, a $60 plan (3 year contract too) starts you off with a "whopping" 1GB of data per month.

 

[blackangst1]

And some of us live in places with more ridiculous prices for data. The Americans complain about their rates at lot but up here in Canada, a $60 plan (3 year contract too) starts you off with a "whopping" 1GB of data per month.

Yeah but us Americans are whiney crybabies who are entitled to whatever we think we deserve.

 

[Accord99]

And some of us live in places with more ridiculous prices for data. The Americans complain about their rates at lot but up here in Canada, a $60 plan (3 year contract too) starts you off with a "whopping" 1GB of data per month.

Have you actually checked American rates?

$60 doesn't even get you a smartphone plan with Verizon or Sprint, while it only gets you 300 MB with AT&T.

 

[AMDZen]

This freaks me out. I'm planning on using an SD card for the first time with the Optimus G Pro. In the past I've just used iPhone's.

I need to be able to store my music collection on the SD card. I can't rely on data to stream my collection. My cap is 2 GB a month and I average 1.5 GB in my current usage which does not entail streamed music. I also like the idea of going on vacation and being able to shoot video and pictures directly onto an SD card.

If you were on iPhone's in the past, how does it freak you out? Just get the biggest model 64 GB, how is 64 GB not enough space for all the things you need. Do you really need to carry around your whole collection of music? My collection is 500+ GB so that wouldn't be possible any way. You can always keep enough music for hours and hours of listening.

 

[Accord99]

To an extent that's true but there's more scope for making large files now. How big would an hours worth of HD video recorded on a modern phone be?

7-9 GB per hour.

 

[ChronoReverse]

Have you actually checked American rates?

$60 doesn't even get you a smartphone plan with Verizon or Sprint, while it only gets you 300 MB with AT&T.

Really? I keep hearing how people have unlimited plans and gobs of data so they don't need storage. I apologize if I made a wrong assumption.

BTW, the price I cited for Canada is if they're doing promos. Right now it's $70 for the 1GB plan.

I just went through the AT&T website and it looks like the $70 (2 years) plan for a new subscriber gets 3GB so that's still better.

 

[AMDZen]

I have unlimited but you still don't get unlimited, you get like 5 GB and then they cut your speed in half or something is what I've read.

A lot of customer's are grandfathered into Unlimited data on AT&T

 

[WelshBloke]

This freaks me out. I'm planning on using an SD card for the first time with the Optimus G Pro. In the past I've just used iPhone's.

I need to be able to store my music collection on the SD card. I can't rely on data to stream my collection. My cap is 2 GB a month and I average 1.5 GB in my current usage which does not entail streamed music. I also like the idea of going on vacation and being able to shoot video and pictures directly onto an SD card.

Why would this freak you out? MicroSD cards are more than fast enough for media.

 

[WelshBloke]

7-9 GB per hour.

Yeah, I'm not going to be wanting to upload that everyday on a roaming data connection when on holiday.

 

[ChronoReverse]

Why would this freak you out? MicroSD cards are more than fast enough for media.

Indeed. Class 10 microSD cards are cheap enough that they should be standard fare nowadays ($30 for 32GB)

That's minimum 10MB/s which translates to 80Mb/s. The maximum bitrate of a Blu-Ray disc is 48Mb/s for audio-video.

Let's say that your microSD card speed is the least of your concerns.

 

[Accord99]

Really? I keep hearing how people have unlimited plans and gobs of data so they don't need storage. I apologize if I made a wrong assumption.

I think those are the lucky ones with grandfathered plans that are no longer available. Comparable to people in Canada who go through retentions and get 5-6GB plans for $50-$60.

BTW, the price I cited for Canada is if they're doing promos. Right now it's $70 for the 1GB plan.

I just went through the AT&T website and it looks like the $70 (2 years) plan for a new subscriber gets 3GB so that's still better.

I don't think those plans are directly comparable, the AT&T plan has limited minutes, no text messaging included and evenings start much later than the comparable feature in Canada.

 

[ChronoReverse]

I think those are the lucky ones with grandfathered plans that are no longer available. Comparable to people in Canada who go through retentions and get 5-6GB plans for $50-$60.


I don't think those plans are directly comparable, the AT&T plan has limited minutes, no text messaging included and evenings start much later than the comparable feature in Canada.

Perhaps but I was talking about data. You can't get data any cheaper because they force you to pick up the high end voice plans. Perhaps there's no direct comparison but if you want 1GB, that's the minimum you're paying. I've asked about taking less minutes, messaging, etc. for more data instead but it's always been laughed off =(

The point is that the idea of relying on the cloud is still a dream for many.

 

[Thegonagle]

Be careful, or those trolls will start adding you to their ignore list...

Didn't you mean their ignorance list? :biggrin: