Huckabee is on a roll!

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fern

Since you've missed it; his answer is basically that he supports freedom of religion, anybody can belief in whatever religion they choose.

Sure... as long as they choose HIS religion. He explicitly said he wants to amend the U.S. Constitution to conform to his particular brand of ooga booga snake oil.

We've already suffered through seven years with one religious idiot. :roll:

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100

Originally posted by: sirjonk
OTOH, he has also said he'd have no problem appointing an atheist to his cabinet if they were otherwise qualified.

That was Mitt Romney that said that.

Maybe he did, but I was referring to when Huckabee said it

Russert asked him where that leaves non-Christians, and whether he would appoint an atheist to his Cabinet.

?It leaves them right in the middle of America,? Huckabee said. ?I wouldn?t have any problem at all appointing atheists. I probably had some working for me as governor.?

 

[manowar821]

As a side quip, I think it's incredibly amusing how fundamentalists tend to take credit for the "good morals" in our world, today. As if somehow people wouldn't take care of each-other if we didn't have some kind of magical fat bastard in the clouds supposedly sending us to hell for being bad. Honestly, you guys, humanity would've been just fine without you!

In fact, we tend to get along better with one another when we don't have stupid set in stone, 100% "correct" beliefs about gods in the way of each-other. It's kind of an invisible wall, in a sense.

"Hey buddy, how you doing? Oh, you believe in THAT god. Well screw your rights, my beliefs are "truth" because it was written in a BOOK/STONE TABLET/READ OUT OF A HAT!. Also, eat sword, heathen!" *STAB*

Religious fundamentalists don't believe in freedom. Not real freedom. They never come to the table willing to argue and possibly realize mistakes in their theories about existence, because they don't even HAVE theories. They have faith. They come to the table only willing to tell you what is "truth". None of us needs a dialog with that type of person, much less need to give that type of person the presidency of the supposed "free world".

What a bunch of arrogant asses, they are.

Wow, that was a long "quip", I'm sorry.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Unlike what it may look like, I'm no religious nutjob.

I find it very annoying to judge someone on their faith and not their actions.

Huckabee's "actions" have been to announce publicly that he would lead the charge to overturn the U.S. Constitution in favor of his religeous snake oil.

Precisely; he is almost the worst candidate the republicans could put up there. About the only thing I like about him is that he is a gifted speaker. But that means nothing when he wants to ammend the Constitution to fall in line with his religious beliefs. What we don't need is another person who is completely polarizing. I'm a tossup on gay marriage and abortion most of the time, but when it comes down in the end I believe that it's a personal choice for people and they should be able to do as they please in the "land of the free" when it comes to their own bodies, and we don't need to overturn precedents or ammend the Constitution prohibiting either. Let the states decide, or put it in referendum, or hell just leave it alone and allow people to make the choices for themselves.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: alchemize
What a horrible article title. He doesn't link them at all, he's making the "slippery slope" argument.

Bullshit! In the original interview on belief.net, even the interviewer was hesitant about Huckabee's explicit support to amend the Constitution to conform to his biblical interpretations.

Bullshit! yourself, you icontinent partisan hack. He makes no linkage between gay sex and bestiality. You can disagree with his support to amend the Constitution (which I do), you can disagree with his perception that it would result in a slippery slope (time will tell), but to say that he expressly tied homosexuality with bestiality is nothing but intellectual dishonesty, one of the rarities in which you excel!

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Unlike what it may look like, I'm no religious nutjob.

I find it very annoying to judge someone on their faith and not their actions.

Huckabee's "actions" have been to announce publicly that he would lead the charge to overturn the U.S. Constitution in favor of his religeous snake oil.

Precisely; he is almost the worst candidate the republicans could put up there. About the only thing I like about him is that he is a gifted speaker. But that means nothing when he wants to ammend the Constitution to fall in line with his religious beliefs. What we don't need is another person who is completely polarizing. I'm a tossup on gay marriage and abortion most of the time, but when it comes down in the end I believe that it's a personal choice for people and they should be able to do as they please in the "land of the free" when it comes to their own bodies, and we don't need to overturn precedents or ammend the Constitution prohibiting either. Let the states decide, or put it in referendum, or hell just leave it alone and allow people to make the choices for themselves.

I think we can pretty safely ignore all the promises to amend the constitution, a process so arduous it's occurred only 27 times in our history, and thats only if you count the first 10 which were passed immediately after ratification. Too many people have to agree for such a thing to take place, so I pretty much ignore campaign promises to effect a constitutional amendment on anything. Huck knows that. He's a huckster. It's just pandering. And it won him Iowa.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Unlike what it may look like, I'm no religious nutjob.

I find it very annoying to judge someone on their faith and not their actions.

Huckabee's "actions" have been to announce publicly that he would lead the charge to overturn the U.S. Constitution in favor of his religeous snake oil.

Precisely; he is almost the worst candidate the republicans could put up there. About the only thing I like about him is that he is a gifted speaker. But that means nothing when he wants to ammend the Constitution to fall in line with his religious beliefs. What we don't need is another person who is completely polarizing. I'm a tossup on gay marriage and abortion most of the time, but when it comes down in the end I believe that it's a personal choice for people and they should be able to do as they please in the "land of the free" when it comes to their own bodies, and we don't need to overturn precedents or ammend the Constitution prohibiting either. Let the states decide, or put it in referendum, or hell just leave it alone and allow people to make the choices for themselves.

I think we can pretty safely ignore all the promises to amend the constitution, a process so arduous it's occurred only 27 times in our history, and thats only if you count the first 10 which were passed immediately after ratification. Too many people have to agree for such a thing to take place, so I pretty much ignore campaign promises to effect a constitutional amendment on anything. Huck knows that. He's a huckster. It's just pandering. And it won him Iowa.

I know, but still I don't want a religious fanboi running the country and spouting such nonsense. I rail against the muslim countries for doing this, and I would do the same here. Religion and politics just don't seem to mix well.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

I know, but still I don't want a religious fanboi running the country and spouting such nonsense. I rail against the muslim countries for doing this, and I would do the same here. Religion and politics just don't seem to mix well.

And don't forget the supreme court nominations...

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: alchemize
What a horrible article title. He doesn't link them at all, he's making the "slippery slope" argument.

Bullshit! In the original interview on belief.net, even the interviewer was hesitant about Huckabee's explicit support to amend the Constitution to conform to his biblical interpretations.

Bullshit! yourself, you icontinent partisan hack.

:lips: my (_!_)

He makes no linkage between gay sex and bestiality.

Then why does everyone with half a brain, including religious wingnuts who support his views, read exactly the opposite meaning? :roll:

Originally posted by: sirjonk

I think we can pretty safely ignore all the promises to amend the constitution, a process so arduous it's occurred only 27 times in our history, and thats only if you count the first 10 which were passed immediately after ratification.

NO! It doesn't matter that actually passing a Constitutional amendment couldn't happen in a short time. You can't ignore what he says he wants to do when he's running for President of the United States of America because he's saying exactly what he would do in exercising the enormous powers of that office.

If Huckabee's religious idiocy isn't enough for you, he also wants to stir up southern bigotry by ressurecting the issue of the Confederate flag.

Huckabee says South Carolina should decide whether to fly Confederate flag

By LIBBY QUAID Associated Press Writer
MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. Jan 17, 2008 (AP)

Republican Mike Huckabee said the government should stay out of disputes over the Confederate flag in South Carolina.

"You don't like people from outside the state coming in and telling you what to do with your flag," Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor, told supporters Thursday in Myrtle Beach, S.C.

"In fact, if somebody came to Arkansas and told us what to do with our flag, we'd tell 'em what to do with the pole, that's what we'd do," Huckabee said.
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(continues)

Huckabee's an intellectual and moral POS who the voters should flush from American politics.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: Sinsear

I know, but still I don't want a religious fanboi running the country and spouting such nonsense. I rail against the muslim countries for doing this, and I would do the same here. Religion and politics just don't seem to mix well.

And don't forget the supreme court nominations...

No fundie is making it through Congress, and Hucks too sharp to nominate one. The republican federal judge who heard the Intelligent Design case and smacked the shit out of it was appointed by GWB, as religious as they come.

I don't plan on voting for him, but gosh, Huck's just so darn nice, I have to defend him from people calling him all these awful things. Disagree with the policies if you will, but he hasn't earned the vitriol any more than the baseless Hillary hating.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: kage69
Wow...


I guess history wasn't his best subject, there are more than a few examples of socially recognized gay unions in a number of cultures.

But what really made me laugh was his :

"The Bible was not written to be amended. The Constitution was,"

Typical baptist bullshit IMO. Wish someone would have asked him if he had ever heard of the Council of Nicea (for starters) In my experience, Southern evangelicals are the absolute kings of selective faith. To submit that scripture, and the ethics behind it, are off limits is the height of hypocrisy.

So, my question is - is Huckabee just pushing the pandering envelope with this latest round of fundie crap, or is he being serious in a scary "onward christian soldier" kinda way? As I've said before, it's easy to discount crap like this when it's spewing from the piehole of someone like Bush, but when it comes from someone like Huckabee who has spent a good portion of his life furthering "the gospel," well....

Since I'm offering questions here, when will the christians of America collectively wake up and stop being sucked in by this ignorant and hateful rhetoric?



edit: sorry, fixed quote

"Holy Fundy Pandering Politicians, Batman"!

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Huckabee is a religious right wet dream without any pragmatism. Most candidates who previously got the support of the religious right talked the talk but had the brains to realize
they had to limit it to image and not substance.

And Huckabee is going to scare the hell out of everyone else with his honest beliefs in an agenda thats unsellable with non card carrying members of the religious right. Add ignorance
of foreign policy, to a flat and regressive flat tax, sprinkle in homophobia, add in strongly advocating in a non lip service way pro choice that is unpopular with the bulk of the country, then add in a liberal high tax record as a State Governor, and you get someone who remotely might get the GOP nomination, but will be killed in the general election.

To win the Presidency, the GOP must have the religious right motivated. And this year, all the GOP alternatives fail, the sniff test. So its more probable to have Huck as a VP. But as ole Texas Nance Garner said, being the VP is not worth a pitcher of warm spit. But being the losing side in the election VP is worth even less. But Garner was a FDR VP winner who won nothing, and Truman had the same distinction and managed to inherit the Presidency.

As for me, Dick Cheney gives me religion. Praying that GWB does not die. I am sure a Vice President Huckabee could do the same thing. But I will first pray for a democrat to avoid the
hypocrisies implicit in praying for the health of a GOP idiot.

So does this mean we should reconsider our trust in everything Chuck Norris?

 

[kage69]

Huck is in league with some serious hardcore fundies, make no mistake. These people demand everyone be like them.

Thanks for that frightening article ayabe. Reminds me of the crowd that runs all the bible colleges down on the Gulf Coast.

George Grant is a psycho!

Now I'm going to try and forget most of it so I can sleep tonight.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: kage69
Wow...


I guess history wasn't his best subject, there are more than a few examples of socially recognized gay unions in a number of cultures.

But what really made me laugh was his :

"The Bible was not written to be amended. The Constitution was,"

Typical baptist bullshit IMO. Wish someone would have asked him if he had ever heard of the Council of Nicea (for starters) In my experience, Southern evangelicals are the absolute kings of selective faith. To submit that scripture, and the ethics behind it, are off limits is the height of hypocrisy.

So, my question is - is Huckabee just pushing the pandering envelope with this latest round of fundie crap, or is he being serious in a scary "onward christian soldier" kinda way? As I've said before, it's easy to discount crap like this when it's spewing from the piehole of someone like Bush, but when it comes from someone like Huckabee who has spent a good portion of his life furthering "the gospel," well....

Since I'm offering questions here, when will the christians of America collectively wake up and stop being sucked in by this ignorant and hateful rhetoric?


edit: sorry, fixed quote

Huckabee like many on the Moral right seems to confuse "Gay Marriage" with his own perverted sexual fantasies (sex with children, animals). Straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel seems to come naturally.

 

[randym431]

Oh dont give Huck such a bad time.
He's just trying to see how really F*cked up American's are.

Kinda like Rove did with GW.

And they found out... pretty F*cked up are we.