Dang
I wonder if this is in anticipation of the possible EV rebate...
I wonder if this is in anticipation of the possible EV rebate...
I've been tracking the prices of Tesla's for a while now. They've been going up each year slightly.
A coworker of mine got one and my manager was telling me he paid a bit over 60k for it. I thought he purchased a model x at least.
Turns out the model 3 is now around 60k for the long range model, without the full driving capability.
A couple years ago I told myself I would go for an X if I need a new car. But I cant stomach that monthly payment now after not having a car payment for so long.
I also still live in an apartment so having only an EV would mean changing my lifestyle. I still love my 6 speed manual Mazda 6 despite that it's getting close to 100k miles on it.
I'd really enjoy an electric car as my next one but the infrastructure just is not there yet and the prices aren't really what you call affordable with the cost of living having gone up now too.
The 500 mile range can also just be vaporware, just like self driving has been for 6 yearsI pre-ordered a Cybertruck specifically for the 500-mile battery. I doubt they'll be able to hit the $39k base price advertised (not for the 500-mile battery obviously, haha!), but with the pressure from Ford's $40k F-150 EV, maybe they will! I'm also hoping they'll offer a Roadster 2.0 620-mile battery option on the higher-end Cybertruck model. That way, you're still getting a realistic 300-mile range with A/C at highway speeds, even if the full range was chopped in half! Plus the new 4680 cells look pretty nice:
Tesla Model Y 4680 Standard Range Supercharging Test Impresses
Tesla has started delivering its new Model Y Standard Range AWD with the 4680 structural pack. It seems it charges more quickly than some may have anticipated.insideevs.com
9% to 97% in 50 minutes is incredible & the structural battery pack concept is pretty fun!
The 500 mile range can also just be vaporware, just like self driving has been for 6 years
Yea I was justifying this price a year or so ago for the same car. I was more interested in the X as that was a few thousand more. I definitely can't justify the hike in price currently. Especially when people that have them are telling me to stay away because the build quality is bad.i ordered my MYLR in sept of last year and got it earlier this year, I would not pay the current asking price (+$12K) for the same car today
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Between the price increases and the Twitter acquisition saga, Elon appears to be creating some "demand destruction" amongst prospective Tesla buyers. It's hard to tell because technically they're "sold out" for months. But nobody that is increasing revenue by 50% YoY would simultaneously be laying off workers in an extremely tight labor environment.I know shortages and expenses are responsible for driving up prices, but still... Tesla seems to be pricing itself out of the market for many people.
If I were in the market for an EV right now, I'd much rather get an Ioniq 5. I'll give up Tesla's Supercharger network for a much more affordable car... and not supporting Elon Musk is a plus.
Tesla as opposed to every other car manufacturer makes profit on their cars. Inflation does help with rising pricers to keep the profits at certain level.
Many others lose money or barely make it even.
Show me the good chart
I suppose he's guessing at some sort of subsidy / green credits. Doesn't Tesla make a huge amount selling their EV credits to other car manufacturers? He may be insinuating that the typical car manufacturer is willing to take a lower margin / loss as a trade off for the credits they earn from selling them.Where do you get this shit? I promise you cars are not being sold at a loss.
None of that. His posting history in this forum consists of outlandishly positive claims about Tesla, and BS criticism of other automakers. He actually makes Elon-worshiping ponyo seem balanced LOL.I suppose he's guessing at some sort of subsidy / green credits. Doesn't Tesla make a huge amount selling their EV credits to other car manufacturers? He may be insinuating that the typical car manufacturer is willing to take a lower margin / loss as a trade off for the credits they earn from selling them.
But the comment about inflation allowing you to keep the price higher to keep margin flat doesn't make any sense at all.
I was looking at the model Y without the full auto pilot sometime before last year and it was coming out to 57k or so depending how I configured it.I paid $61,290 for my Y LR in March last year, with FSD (waste of money). Current price is $82,440!
I was looking at the model Y without the full auto pilot sometime before last year and it was coming out to 57k or so depending how I configured it.
You don't think the auto pilot is worth it? I'm only interested in just having a full electric vehicle.
But as it stands now I have no car payment at all and my 2016 Mazda 6 in manual transmission runs without issues. I love driving a manual and since there are pretty much no manual cars left if I happen to be forced to get another car I would want it to be fully electric.
But I also don't want a $1k+ monthly car payment and that's not going to be avoidable when Tesla's just keep going up in price. I also wonder if their build quality has been improved from the complaints I've read or seen in reviews.
Between this and Elon's antics, I've been soured on Tesla as it is these days. I don't think it'll really get better until Elon is out or realizes that his business is about more than boosting delivery numbers. If I were in the market for an EV right now, I'd rather take a range hit and buy almost anything else.
Between this and Elon's antics, I've been soured on Tesla as it is these days. I don't think it'll really get better until Elon is out or realizes that his business is about more than boosting delivery numbers. If I were in the market for an EV right now, I'd rather take a range hit and buy almost anything else.
The other issue is that Tesla vehicles have now become a visual token of corporate-political issues, with how Musk is behaving on Twitter, so people are feeling judged about what they drive now, and for most people, when they spend a big chunk of money on something like a vehicle, they want it to be associated with something they support. Previously, Musk was known for being a real-life Ironman, championing safe, electric self-driving car, space trips, solar power, etc. Now he's known for throwing fits on Twitter & attacking people publicly & not everyone wants to be directly associated with that, whether or not the end product is a good investment or not.