Human Life Poll breaks down

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: markymoo
who created God?

i could tell you, but i don't think you really want to know

Man created god, i thought this was obvious. God is nothing more than a manifestation of mans knowledge that death is inevitable.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: markymoo
We must of evolved with the earth because the simple fact is fruits and vegetables are good for us. we should of stuck to those but we got greedy and moved onto meat. somewhere down the road we have mutated from something to surpass everything else on the planet. could be that we are from aliens and they dropped us off to live on earth. we are the strongest virus spreading. will we be stopped?. we will kill us the earth and everything in it. what a great accomplishment!

Explain why we have canines and other sharp teeth that give us the ability to tear flesh. If we were supposed to stick only to vegetables then we'd have all molars such as a brontasaurus or giraffe

Originally posted by: TecHNooB
Your first argument isn't going to go over well.. you've applied too much science to it. The rest is meh. I don't believe in religion, but I'm sure most would agree that if religion helps you become a better person, then that's all that matters.

i agree. being a better person is more important than being a religious DI&K

personally it hink releigion is great. I just think the church is the biggest scam ever. Its all about money and control.

strip out a lot of the crap in the bible and you are left with a good basic outline of how you should live your life. it also has good stories on how to do it.

i'm only saying that if you had to choose between a guy that was a DI*K but very religious and an agnostic person that was amazingly nice and thoughtful i'd go with the latter

i'm not saying religious people are DI*Ks by any means. Sorry if that was unclear

But that's begs the question, is the person who is supposedly religious but acts like a jerk really religious? Because if they are supposedly a Christian but act that way then they are most likely not actually religious, just posers. I am not here to judge but the Bible says the actions of a person show the fruits of their spirit, meaning you can tell what is REALLY inside their heart from how the conduct themselves.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: markymoo
who created God?

i could tell you, but i don't think you really want to know

Man created god, i thought this was obvious. God is nothing more than a manifestation of mans knowledge that death is inevitable.

Your last sentence is not the commonly accepted reasoning among psychologists. God represents the internal self-/world- view of the person. For example, people who hold negative views about the world and themselves tend to have negative views about God and vice versa. In essence, God is like the mirror to the individual's psychological makeup.

 

[dirtboy]

It's a good thing evolutionists aren't counting on you to be their point man, because every point you make is weak and unfounded.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: Juddog
So the point is, is that if someone who were religious and believed heavily that God created men 10,000 years ago (as an example), out of thin air, and it was proven to them otherwise, then for them to have to accept the evidence would shake the very foundations of their belief system, and they would have to go through years of soul searching to find where they want to be in life. For someone who is already set in their ways and think they are going to heaven or whatever afterlife awaits them (with 50 virgins or what-not, or milk and cookies, or whatever they believe it to be), this would cause a vast internal struggle of some subject which they may have already made up their mind about, and if they do accept the facts, would cause them to doubt whether they are going to said afterlife or not.

You are so sure of yourself that the same evidence you use to criticize those of creationist views could come back to haunt you, because evidence could prove you wrong and shake the very foundations of your belief system.

Your ignorance is amusing to me.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Juddog
So the point is, is that if someone who were religious and believed heavily that God created men 10,000 years ago (as an example), out of thin air, and it was proven to them otherwise, then for them to have to accept the evidence would shake the very foundations of their belief system, and they would have to go through years of soul searching to find where they want to be in life. For someone who is already set in their ways and think they are going to heaven or whatever afterlife awaits them (with 50 virgins or what-not, or milk and cookies, or whatever they believe it to be), this would cause a vast internal struggle of some subject which they may have already made up their mind about, and if they do accept the facts, would cause them to doubt whether they are going to said afterlife or not.

You are so sure of yourself that the same evidence you use to criticize those of creationist views could come back to haunt you, because evidence could prove you wrong and shake the very foundations of your belief system.

Your ignorance is amusing to me.

Well after 10,000 years there is still no evidence of which you speak, plus given the fact there are 5 billion people on the planet and one has yet to show direct evidence, chances are more likely then not that your foundation is the one being rocked, not mine. Sorry to ruin your day.

 

[five40]

Originally posted by: five40

Originally posted by: markymoo
If God created everything, you overlook one simple flaw, who created God?

<zoolander>I'll answer your question with another question</zoolander> Where did atoms come from? If you have to assume that atoms have been here forever, you have to be able to assume God has been here forever.

OP, can you answer my question already.

 

[markymoo]

Ok listen its been proven the universe had a beginning therefore the universe has a cause and something created that. if god is the creator of the universe therefore he must exist outside of the universe and also is the creator of our time. therefore he is not limited by the time dimension he created, so has no beginning in time also the amount of usable energy in the universe is decreasing so the universe cannot have existed forever. Hydrogen is the most basic form of energy in the universe so things ultimately run out of energy. He not only began time; He will also end it. When time ends, all matter and all mankind will enter eternity. so its beyond our comprehension as we see it.

 

[Oceandevi]

Standard answer is that God was always around.

Edit* He's been reading this! Cuzwutitwuzwuz

 

[everman]

This thread is now about pie

I love pecan pie.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: markymoo
If God created everything, you overlook one simple flaw, who created God? for your God to exist which takes us back to molecules and atoms again. Something has to come from something even God! was it another god? where did that god come from? you see it all started from something and so even God was created from a possible nothing. So we all have the power to become God.

We must of evolved with the earth because the simple fact is fruits and vegetables are good for us. we should of stuck to those but we got greedy and moved onto meat. somewhere down the road we have mutated from something to surpass everything else on the planet. could be that we are from aliens and they dropped us off to live on earth. we are the strongest virus spreading. will we be stopped?. we will kill us the earth and everything in it. what a great accomplishment!

Religion is the biggest scam on the planet. Thousands of years ago people didnt know any better. They were told by a few this is the way it is and majority believed the few as we believe in scientists now. They didnt have science backed up by facts and reality as we do now. The truth will set you free. We maybe one day know the mind of God. People who have been brought up on religion all there lives are basically brainwashed and can't think beyond that. There is going on something far bigger beyond your tiny mind.

We are nobodys, a insignificant. a microcosm in the whole millions of galaxies. Its arrogant to think theres nothing other than us just because we dont know more. The chances of another planetary system just like ours is high because of the sheer vastness of space. What created all the galaxies? What is the point of all this existence. Something must of come from something. We are not alone.

The stupidiest people will inherit the earth because they have more children. clever people will have less children because they give a damn about the environment.

The planets population has increased from 2 billion to 6 billion just in 30 years! How long you think more the planet can sustain that amount of people at that savage rate? There will have to be some culling maybe from some major disease even if intentional.

Humans are the stupidiest thing on the planet no other animal tries to destroy the planet. All that power and we let corrupt people rule our lives.

If man was made in the image of Jesus then we have the power to become God.

I will leave you with this. Its not about left or right like in america but about whats right and wrong and good and bad human choices.

Amazing.

It all makes sense now :roll:

 

[torpid]

So, logical conclusions yielded from this thread:

1) OP will have LOTS and LOTS of children
2) OP has never heard of poisonous substances
3) OP doesn't know much about viruses
4) OP is a troll

 

[letdown427]

Originally posted by: markymoo
Something must of come from something. We are not alone.

Ignoring the grammar, think outside the box man. You only 'know' something must have come from something because that is all your brain has ever experienced.

I am far from saying some sort of 'God' is real, just encouraging you to further appreciate the limits of your mind, as a mere human.

You can't imagine a colour you haven't seen, a sound you haven't heard, and you can't percieve the idea of infinity, because you have never encountered it. Everything you know is 'born' or created. It comes from something else, as you expect. But years ago, we expected to fall off the Earth at the corners.

Maybe something can always have just 'been'.

Also, can anyone describe a colour(I'm English, my apologies for the spelling) to me? How do we know that we actually perceive colours the same way? Blue is only blue because we're told that when we see that colour, people call it blue. Things only appear normal because that's what we've seen, and expect to see. Who knows if what is actually produced inside our mind as an 'image' is the same across the race.

You think I'm high don't you?

Anyway, just some food for thought.

EDIT:
Also, as was said, your blind faith that science is right, is just as bad as the religious faith you so despise. What mankind knows is only what mankind knows now, and it can change, and probably will change.

Furthermore, does anyone else like steak here? Looooove me a good steak.

 

[Wuffsunie]

Science is the process by which man attempts to put himself on equal footing with god.

That's why religion hates it so much.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: markymoo
science is actual truth and fact of reality to everything around us. what can be more than that? religion is just faith and belief. religion is used to fill the gap because people dont know the truth.

Science is actual truth and fact of reality? Have you EVER taken philosophy? Philosophy is the father of all science, and when you talk about truth and reality, I suggest you examine these two words more in the epistemological sense.

Science is largely empirical, and to us a lot of empirical data tends to correspond to truth, but we all know that jumping from data to truth is a huge gap and in a sense science is faith. It's backed up with data and evidence, but we apply statistics, reasoning and a lot of other non-scientific forms of reasoning in order to make this jump from data to truth.

Now, you talk about the fact that there is a need for God to be created. I challenge you in many ways because you seem to talk about things as if you are a know-it-all, and I hate know-it-alls, and I will personally demolish your argument just to show that you are a fool. While I do not believe in religion either, I don't make such outrageous statements like you.

God or what we know as to be the supreme being of the universe (this depends from religion to religion) is an all knowing, all powerful, eternal being. The definition of God implies that God has always been there, and you can't have anything more powerful than the supreme being. If something/someone created God, then God is not the most powerful being, and thus a creation cannot be labeled God. Thus, it is contradictory to even argue that God needs to be created.

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: markymoo
who created God?

i could tell you, but i don't think you really want to know

Man created god, i thought this was obvious. God is nothing more than a manifestation of mans knowledge that death is inevitable.

Your last sentence is not the commonly accepted reasoning among psychologists. God represents the internal self-/world- view of the person. For example, people who hold negative views about the world and themselves tend to have negative views about God and vice versa. In essence, God is like the mirror to the individual's psychological makeup.

O RLY? There are philosophical theories out there that agree with the statement that God is nothing more than a manifestation of man's knowledge that death is inevitable. I think there's more though. God is a lot of things that we aren't. God is omniscient, omnipotent, immortal, etc etc. We lack knowledge, we lack power, we will die someday. Thus humans can create this image of a supreme being to give us faith that these things we lack aren't all that unrealistic.

 

[CKent]

I swear "Vic" is a team of at least 5-6 fulltime church volunteers.

 

[3NF]

All life on this planet was genetically engineered by aliens. By the end of this century, man will be designing and creating life himself. For all you young pups out there looking for something to do with your lives, go into science! Stay away from business, law, politics, etc. These people are clueless, but yet think they know what they're talking about.

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: CKent
I swear "Vic" is a team of at least 5-6 fulltime church volunteers.

If so, I wonder about his avatar.

 

[newmachineoverlord]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Revision and editing needed. You make some good points, but it reads like a rambling essay from a 6th grader.

By the way, meat is good for you too. Humans are omnivores, able to eat and digest both meat and plants. If the meat is prepared in an unhealthy manner, thats not the fault of the meat. You can just as easily prepare fruits and veggies in an unhealthy manner.

The part in italics i agree with.

The part bolded, however, is blatantly false. It is usually much harder to prepare fruits and veggies in an unhealthy manner than it is meat, since many fruits and veggies can be safely eaten right off the vine, or just dug up out of the ground and eaten. Veggies can also often be stored at room temperature without any additional precautions such as salting. In many cases it would be harder to make vegetables unhealthy than meat (ie you would have to actually contaminate them with something by not washing your hands). By contrast, if you just cut off a piece of a pig and start munching on it, there are a number of potential problems you could have even if you washed your hands first.

Meat may be a source of high quality protein, but whether or not it's "good for you" depends on your lifestyle and what else your eating. Most people eat more meat than is good for them in the US, and they tend to eat meat that is high in fat (hence the high rate of obesity in the US.) In any case, milk and eggs are a much better source of protein per unit of water/land used in production than any kind of actual meat. Meat that is produced in the US today also tends to be higher in saturated fat than meat that people ate in centuries past. Meat is not as healthy to eat as it used to be, and most in the US eat too much of it for their own good.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: markymoo
science is actual truth and fact of reality to everything around us. what can be more than that? religion is just faith and belief. religion is used to fill the gap because people dont know the truth.

Science and religion are two sides of a coin, not mutually exclusive.

More like two boxes, one you can open and look inside, one you are told what's inside.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: markymoo
If God created everything, you overlook one simple flaw, who created God? for your God to exist which takes us back to molecules and atoms again. Something has to come from something even God!

Uh huh. So where did the atoms come from? Was it another atom? Where did those come from?

Your circular reasoning defeats the argument.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: markymoo
If God created everything, you overlook one simple flaw, who created God? for your God to exist which takes us back to molecules and atoms again. Something has to come from something even God!

Uh huh. So where did the atoms come from? Was it another atom? Where did those come from?

Your circular reasoning defeats the argument.

Actually, it doesn't. He doesn't claim to know where it came from.

What truly separates a logical agnostic from an activist atheist or theist is the ability to say "I don't know" instead of making up myths to explain things.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: markymoo
who created God?

i could tell you, but i don't think you really want to know

Man created god, i thought this was obvious. God is nothing more than a manifestation of mans knowledge that death is inevitable.

Your last sentence is not the commonly accepted reasoning among psychologists. God represents the internal self-/world- view of the person. For example, people who hold negative views about the world and themselves tend to have negative views about God and vice versa. In essence, God is like the mirror to the individual's psychological makeup.

So an agnostic thinks nothing of himself?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: markymoo
who created God?

i could tell you, but i don't think you really want to know

Man created god, i thought this was obvious. God is nothing more than a manifestation of mans knowledge that death is inevitable.

Your last sentence is not the commonly accepted reasoning among psychologists. God represents the internal self-/world- view of the person. For example, people who hold negative views about the world and themselves tend to have negative views about God and vice versa. In essence, God is like the mirror to the individual's psychological makeup.

So an agnostic thinks nothing of himself?

An agnostic believes that human knowledge is limited to human experience. To me, that's like saying that a = a. How could our knowledge possibly exceed our experience? Therefore, that which is beyond our experience is unknowable. So the agnostic's interface with reality is reality itself, through his experience, as opposed to "blinders" and "filters" of perception created by his delusions.

I'm not a "team of at least 5-6 fulltime church volunteers" :roll: Quite the opposite, I am a true earnest agnostic who has studied both sides of the issue and found them lacking. And I just happen to think that most of the armchair internet atheist "scientists" are idiots. Most of them have less knowledge of actual science than do religionists, and they have almost ZERO knowledge of religion, traditions, psychology, history, the law, etc. For example, it's a token of faith among the angst-driven atheists that religion is the cause of all wars, but then they can't explain the 20th century -- the bloodiest in human history -- and its lack of religion-caused wars.

In this month's National Geo, there is an excellent interview with Francis Collins, one of the world's most prominent geneticists, director of the National Human Genome Research Institute, and a devout and outspoken Christian. It pretty much lays to rest the atheists' argument that faith and science are inherently opposed.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: markymoo
science is actual truth and fact of reality to everything around us. what can be more than that? religion is just faith and belief. religion is used to fill the gap because people dont know the truth.

Science is actual truth and fact of reality? Have you EVER taken philosophy? Philosophy is the father of all science, and when you talk about truth and reality, I suggest you examine these two words more in the epistemological sense.

Science is largely empirical, and to us a lot of empirical data tends to correspond to truth, but we all know that jumping from data to truth is a huge gap and in a sense science is faith. It's backed up with data and evidence, but we apply statistics, reasoning and a lot of other non-scientific forms of reasoning in order to make this jump from data to truth.

Now, you talk about the fact that there is a need for God to be created. I challenge you in many ways because you seem to talk about things as if you are a know-it-all, and I hate know-it-alls, and I will personally demolish your argument just to show that you are a fool. While I do not believe in religion either, I don't make such outrageous statements like you.

God or what we know as to be the supreme being of the universe (this depends from religion to religion) is an all knowing, all powerful, eternal being. The definition of God implies that God has always been there, and you can't have anything more powerful than the supreme being. If something/someone created God, then God is not the most powerful being, and thus a creation cannot be labeled God. Thus, it is contradictory to even argue that God needs to be created.

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: markymoo
who created God?

i could tell you, but i don't think you really want to know

Man created god, i thought this was obvious. God is nothing more than a manifestation of mans knowledge that death is inevitable.

Your last sentence is not the commonly accepted reasoning among psychologists. God represents the internal self-/world- view of the person. For example, people who hold negative views about the world and themselves tend to have negative views about God and vice versa. In essence, God is like the mirror to the individual's psychological makeup.

O RLY? There are philosophical theories out there that agree with the statement that God is nothing more than a manifestation of man's knowledge that death is inevitable. I think there's more though. God is a lot of things that we aren't. God is omniscient, omnipotent, immortal, etc etc. We lack knowledge, we lack power, we will die someday. Thus humans can create this image of a supreme being to give us faith that these things we lack aren't all that unrealistic.

Human beings are incapable of conceptualizing anything without a beginning or an end.