Human Trafficking

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: imtim83

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The feeling that slavery is wrong is cultural. If you were born into a culture where it was accepted and encouraged, you'd have no problem with it.

Ok but I don't have a relgion or culture in my opinion. I would see it as wrong even if I was born into a culture where it was accepted because I wouldn't understand how someone could take anyway someone's soul like that and not care. Its just not right and very wrong. Everyone deserves to be equal no matter who you are.

Enslaving a person does not take his/her soul. Humans do not have the power to do that.

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
imtim83: If you're serious, then it's obvious you're an idealist. You see the world as it should it. You see how beautiful it could be and how strongly that contrasts with reality. The best thing you can do is learn to not allow it to affect you so strongly. Hold onto your beliefs. Live what you believe and attempt to make friends with similarly minded people (this will be difficult as they are rare). Be the change you wish to see in the world.

How rare, in your opinion, do you think these kind of people are?

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: imtim83

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The feeling that slavery is wrong is cultural. If you were born into a culture where it was accepted and encouraged, you'd have no problem with it.

Ok but I don't have a relgion or culture in my opinion. I would see it as wrong even if I was born into a culture where it was accepted because I wouldn't understand how someone could take anyway someone's soul like that and not care. Its just not right and very wrong. Everyone deserves to be equal no matter who you are.

How did you develop that moral code?

By seeing the truth of how we should all value human life.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: imtim83

Originally posted by: DAGTA
imtim83: If you're serious, then it's obvious you're an idealist. You see the world as it should it. You see how beautiful it could be and how strongly that contrasts with reality. The best thing you can do is learn to not allow it to affect you so strongly. Hold onto your beliefs. Live what you believe and attempt to make friends with similarly minded people (this will be difficult as they are rare). Be the change you wish to see in the world.

How rare, in your opinion, do you think these kind of people are?

I have no real numbers. Based on the amount of people I've met and the impressions they've left upon me, I'd guess less than 10% of the population.

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: imtim83

Originally posted by: DAGTA
imtim83: If you're serious, then it's obvious you're an idealist. You see the world as it should it. You see how beautiful it could be and how strongly that contrasts with reality. The best thing you can do is learn to not allow it to affect you so strongly. Hold onto your beliefs. Live what you believe and attempt to make friends with similarly minded people (this will be difficult as they are rare). Be the change you wish to see in the world.

How rare, in your opinion, do you think these kind of people are?

I have no real numbers. Based on the amount of people I've met and the impressions they've left upon me, I'd guess less than 10% of the population.

Have you ever met one?

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: imtim83

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: imtim83

Originally posted by: DAGTA
imtim83: If you're serious, then it's obvious you're an idealist. You see the world as it should it. You see how beautiful it could be and how strongly that contrasts with reality. The best thing you can do is learn to not allow it to affect you so strongly. Hold onto your beliefs. Live what you believe and attempt to make friends with similarly minded people (this will be difficult as they are rare). Be the change you wish to see in the world.

How rare, in your opinion, do you think these kind of people are?

I have no real numbers. Based on the amount of people I've met and the impressions they've left upon me, I'd guess less than 10% of the population.

Have you ever met one?

Yes. A few actually. It's really hard to know unless you know someone for a long time and see him/her in a bunch of situations. Also, people have different absolute points. For instance, I have a friend that could probably be talked into sex with a strange woman for the right price but I doubt any amount of money could convince him to murder someone. Another friend could not be talked into sex with a stranger no matter how much money. So, it's not the same set of values with the people, but both of them have their point where no amount of money will compromise how they feel on an issue.

 

[blodhi74]

Originally posted by: Anubis
money dumbass its all about the money

what he said

 

[0roo0roo]

you might as welll ask how those poppy farmers in afganistan can sleep at night knowing young people will die using the drugs made from their product. i'm sure they sleep very well. same with cocaine farmers etc

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
you might as welll ask how those poppy farmers in afganistan can sleep at night knowing young people will die using the drugs made from their product. i'm sure they sleep very well. same with cocaine farmers etc

I know it seems like the answer is very simple but in my opinion the answer isn't. I want to know why in detail on how they can do this without any of these feelings? How can money just make all of these feelings just disappear ?

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: imtim83

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
you might as welll ask how those poppy farmers in afganistan can sleep at night knowing young people will die using the drugs made from their product. i'm sure they sleep very well. same with cocaine farmers etc

I know it seems like the answer is very simple but in my opinion the answer isn't. I want to know why in detail on how they can do this without any of these feelings? How can money just make all of these feelings just disappear ?

Feelings are personal and vary in cause and strength in each person. Some people learned to bury their sense of guilt very early in life and have it buried so low that they don't believe they even have it anymore.

Other people are just twisted and enjoy hurting other people.

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: imtim83

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: imtim83

Originally posted by: Anubis
money dumbass its all about the money

Yes but how is the money worth it when you are hurting human beings souls that are worth more than all of the money in the world ?

The majority of humans have a price. For some it's very high. For some it's much lower, but almost all people can be convinced to overlook their sense of right/wrong for the right amount of money.

Very few people will stand by their beliefs no matter how much money is offered.

When did this start to happen in your opinion? Where very few people will stand by their beliefs no matter how much money is offered.

Lets see... how long has humanity been around?

 

[Pepsi90919]

my question goes unanswered

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: imtim83
They need to think of it in the other person's shoes. What if their sister, daughter, brother, father, mother, etc had this happen to them ? How would they feel ? I bet not very good and very angry. I don't understand how they can't understand that.

Well if everyone did that I'm sure there'd be a lot less crime and suffering in the world. However, we don't live in such a world. Even nice, good people do bad things almost regularly and don't think about it.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: imtim83

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: imtim83

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The feeling that slavery is wrong is cultural. If you were born into a culture where it was accepted and encouraged, you'd have no problem with it.

Ok but I don't have a relgion or culture in my opinion. I would see it as wrong even if I was born into a culture where it was accepted because I wouldn't understand how someone could take anyway someone's soul like that and not care. Its just not right and very wrong. Everyone deserves to be equal no matter who you are.

How did you develop that moral code?

By seeing the truth of how we should all value human life.

Several things here: You see this "truth" because you were conditioned by your culture to value human life. Some cultures do not value it as much (i.e. Islamic culture). What you call "truth" is relative, and is colored by your perceptions.

Secondly, you believe people have "souls" even though there is no measurable evidence whatsoever to support the existence of such a thing. More cultural conditioning.

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: imtim83

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: imtim83

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The feeling that slavery is wrong is cultural. If you were born into a culture where it was accepted and encouraged, you'd have no problem with it.

Ok but I don't have a relgion or culture in my opinion. I would see it as wrong even if I was born into a culture where it was accepted because I wouldn't understand how someone could take anyway someone's soul like that and not care. Its just not right and very wrong. Everyone deserves to be equal no matter who you are.

How did you develop that moral code?

By seeing the truth of how we should all value human life.

Several things here: You see this "truth" because you were conditioned by your culture to value human life. Some cultures do not value it as much (i.e. Islamic culture). What you call "truth" is relative, and is colored by your perceptions.

Secondly, you believe people have "souls" even though there is no measurable evidence whatsoever to support the existence of such a thing. More cultural conditioning.

I am not talking about truth as in fact. When I saw soul I am not talking about a soul as in what you think. I am talking about just the human beings themselfs. How can they break down a person like this sorta of way.

 

[aethandor13]

I currently live in one of the biggest areas for human trafficking. I work in Kosovo for the US Army. In the former republics of Yugoslavia and Eastern Europe it is very big. The major thing is these people don?t see the people that they are trafficking as being human; they are not people as far as they are concerned. The biggest thing is they only care about the money and nothing else. I could go out and buy women over here for as little as $1000. They will hand the girl over to you along with her passport. It doesn?t help that most of the cops here are corrupt and are easily bought. I have heard of a few Americans that have bought women while working over here. Some were arrested and others have never been seen again after it was brought to the attention of the US Army. It is a sad fact of life over here.