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Vic

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I could gather 400 lawyers to agree that President Trump IS NOT guilty of collusion or obstruction of justice. These liberal journalists are really grasping for straws. Anything and everything to make Trump look bad. Just wait....in another year at this time they will try to shove something else down our throats. Can you imagine what the left wing media will go through when Trump gets a second term..... the party of evil will just go berserk.

So get out there and go get those 400 lawyers. Otherwise, talk is cheap and you're just trying to shove your partisan bullshit down our throats.
While I can imagine you, in the news, having finally snapped because the 'party of evil' keeps saying things you don't want to hear.
 

drifter106

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Out of curiosity, would you please tell us what it is about Trump that you like so much that you would allow yourself to post such nebulously vague and unsubstantiated/unsupported claims?

Create another thread about this and be as specific as possible about what you consider to be Trump's attributes and accomplishments that have you so enamored with that man, please.

It would make for a very lively and informative topic of discussion.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...p-achievements-11-obama-legacy-items-repealed
 

Vic

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Cmon buddy, where are those 400 lawyers you promised? And how come you couldn't find 400 during the Obama admin to take him down?
No, wait.. I know the answer to this.. it's all a deep state conspiracy, amirite?
And we need to do is give Chanc.. excuse me, President Trump emergency powers to deal with the crisis so he can do something about all these libtards for their seditious speech because freedom, right?
 
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fskimospy

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There are two problems here that I think can't be resolved without a higher level of understanding. One is that Republican Trumpists, where where modern conservatives have gone, are a threat to the nation because they have fallen to the temptation to express their inner viciousness and meanness and to a degree that rational people can easily predict is suicidal. But the other is that they are this way for a reason and it is because, unconsciously they are suffering intolerable pain, that inwardly all the pain they wish to inflict on others they do so because they themselves are actually the ones suffering that pain.

This means, in my opinion, that while on the one hand we can't stand by and allow them to destroy humanity's fragile crawl up from our selfish animal nature into the social, empathetic and loving creatures that evolution has forced on social beings, we can't either fall ourselves into that same vicious intending pit. I don't know what word to use as a proper response but what comes to mind is pathos. It feels like how it must feel putting a beloved horse down that has an irreparable broken leg. The difference is that with conservatives the leg stays broken intentionally, even though it can be fixed, but which won't happen because they don't know they won't because they suffer from so much inner pain.

I do agree that a lot of the essence of Trumpism is the result of people lashing out because they are angry about their loss of status so they want to hurt those who made them feel that way. I also agree that these people are probably internally miserable. Hell, Trump himself appears to be one of the unhappiest people I've ever seen.
 
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trenchfoot

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I've witnessed the Repub Party get meaner, more spiteful and all around uglier since Saint Reagan caused the party to get itself into a situation where the party is getting shoved into a corner they feel they don't belong in, not realizing or not caring that like Trump the Self-Defeater, they're slamming their heads against the wall because they want to blame the Dems for the pain they get from doing it to themselves.

They need the Dems for one reason and one reason only: to be the whipping boys for the damage they cause to themselves and the nation but absolutely do not want to be held accountable for it.

These folks have been cultured, enabled and encouraged by their political leadership to punish themselves via denying themselves what the Dems are begging to give them (among other things): affordable health care, better access to higher education and the ability to have an equitable share of the bounty the nation creates for itself and the world.

It a special kind of insanity that the Repub leadership have blessed their constituency with.

I don't have an answer to the quandary the Repubs have put themselves in other than to have them take the blinders off that their leadership have managed to glue over their eyes and realistically identify who is holding them back and who wants to give them what they need to have a better quality of life.
 

dank69

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That worked really well in 2016.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make as I have stated many times that the process will require decades of suffering before we can even begin to think about healing. Anything else will be the equivalent of using a bandage to reattach a severed limb. You could snap your fingers and give everyone better healthcare, no more insurance/premiums/copays/deductibles and raise their taxes less than half of what they pay in premiums alone, and 120 million Americans would literally hate your guts for doing it and vote furiously for people who promise to change it back to the good old days of today.
 

fskimospy

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I'm not sure what point you are trying to make as I have stated many times that the process will require decades of suffering before we can even begin to think about healing. Anything else will be the equivalent of using a bandage to reattach a severed limb. You could snap your fingers and give everyone better healthcare, no more insurance/premiums/copays/deductibles and raise their taxes less than half of what they pay in premiums alone, and 120 million Americans would literally hate your guts for doing it and vote furiously for people who promise to change it back to the good old days of today.

I am entirely certain that neither you nor anyone else alive today can predict the future decades with sufficient accuracy to justify sentencing millions of people to suffering, indigence, and death in the hopes that someday many years from now they would come around to your side. After all, someone with your ideology was just willing to sentence millions to decades of torment. Why should they come around to your thinking?
 

dank69

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I am entirely certain that neither you nor anyone else alive today can predict the future decades with sufficient accuracy to justify sentencing millions of people to suffering, indigence, and death in the hopes that someday many years from now they would come around to your side. After all, someone with your ideology was just willing to sentence millions to decades of torment. Why should they come around to your thinking?
I'm not sentencing anyone to anything. I am proposing we give the people what they want. Paradise, free of filthy liberals making them do things the man on the TV told them was anti-American.
 

umbrella39

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Last I checked Obamacare is alive and well. No repeal and replace.

You realize the White House generated that list. Then again I'm sure you believe everything Trump tells you.

He doesn't. He only cares about the bottle of Vodka at the end of the week for best troll farm fluffer...
 
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fskimospy

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I'm not sentencing anyone to anything. I am proposing we give the people what they want. Paradise, free of filthy liberals making them do things the man on the TV told them was anti-American.

I think you're mistaking institutional advantages for conservatives for what the people want. After all, the more liberal candidate has gotten the most votes in every presidential election but one for almost the last three decades.

Maybe even more importantly we have a duty to each other as citizens to help those who are less fortunate than us. Even if conservatives were eking out small majorities you're talking about tens or hundreds of millions that never asked for any of this. They deserve better than to have people who will be just fine turn their backs on them in a fit of pique.
 
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hal2kilo

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I do agree that a lot of the essence of Trumpism is the result of people lashing out because they are angry about their loss of status so they want to hurt those who made them feel that way. I also agree that these people are probably internally miserable. Hell, Trump himself appears to be one of the unhappiest people I've ever seen.
Looks like he's in the last year of his second term.
 

hal2kilo

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Last I checked Obamacare is alive and well. No repeal and replace.

You realize the White House generated that list. Then again I'm sure you believe everything Trump tells you.
The Washington Times. Oh the crazy right wing newspaper that's owned by the extremist right wing Moonie marrying cult?
 

Jhhnn

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dank69

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The problem with this theory is that they blame liberals for the effects of their bad policy. When they start to 'choke and die' from their bad policy they are going to blame the liberals even more, at that point it is the liberals that end up dying.
They blame liberals for not letting them enact their shit policy fast enough. I am proposing we remove that excuse. Of course they will still blame us anyway, the same way they blame Hillary for making them vote for Trump, but who cares?
I think you're mistaking institutional advantages for conservatives for what the people want. After all, the more liberal candidate has gotten the most votes in every presidential election but one for almost the last three decades.

Maybe even more importantly we have a duty to each other as citizens to help those who are less fortunate than us. Even if conservatives were eking out small majorities you're talking about tens or hundreds of millions that never asked for any of this. They deserve better than to have people who will be just fine turn their backs on them in a fit of pique.
I understand all that and of course I am being quite hyperbolic here. But the flip side of your argument is we are acknowledging that there are +60 million people in our country who are literally going to vote for what is essentially a dictatorship. People always ask, how could a dictatorship happen? People always say, that could never happen today.
 
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drifter106

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I do agree that a lot of the essence of Trumpism is the result of people lashing out because they are angry about their loss of status so they want to hurt those who made them feel that way. I also agree that these people are probably internally miserable. Hell, Trump himself appears to be one of the unhappiest people I've ever seen.

If Trump is unhappy......where does that leave the majority of people who post on this forum?
 

umbrella39

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I wonder what color the sky is in Russia today? Probably the usual dark shade of shit that it always is... I'd literally end myself if I had to wake up every day in that 4th world shit hole...
 

BonzaiDuck

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The Washington Times. Oh the crazy right wing newspaper that's owned by the extremist right wing Moonie marrying cult?

Moonie at least during some period. I wouldn't know anymore, since I left the Capital after retirement around 2000. Variously, it was the Washington Star, Washington Times, then -- the Examiner. That gave you two choices as the newsstand: The Washington Post, or the Star/Examiner/whatever. On most days, the Post weighed five times more and had at least that many times the pages of printed information as the Star/Times/Examiner.

During the '90s, I discovered that the latter paper -- the one we're discussing -- was crafting their presentation of AP/UPI/Reuters news releases with editorial comment -- which belonged on the editorial page, and not in the news. It was just before that observation that I undertook my own study of news, propaganda and psy-war. If you wanted to buy something in the DC Metro area, the Post had all the full-page ads and many pages of personal advertisements, while the other paper had diddly-squat. Need to buy some booze? Check the Post on Wednesday for the Central Liquors ad. Drive over to Chinatown at night; fill the trunk with cases of wine; break the blue laws of Virginia by crossing the river; stock up the wine-cellar.

So what? The sad truth of the matter is that our president has behaved in a criminal manner with repeated attempts to thwart legitimate DoJ investigations. To say that whatever else he has done offsets that is to assert a cult of personality above the principles of Constitutional Law. We can't have that. It's what destroys Democracy.

What "destroys Democracy", on a more general and significant scale -- what destroys Civilization. See my quote from "The Oxbow Incident" in my earlier post.
 

Moonbeam

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I do agree that a lot of the essence of Trumpism is the result of people lashing out because they are angry about their loss of status so they want to hurt those who made them feel that way. I also agree that these people are probably internally miserable. Hell, Trump himself appears to be one of the unhappiest people I've ever seen.
For me this is why you differ with dank. You can credit this possibility whereas his anger is so great he won't a accept any alternative to that they are just motivated by voluntary evil. I don't think he is willing to give them any kind of pass for the fact they were put into a nightmarish sleep.
 

fskimospy

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If Trump is unhappy......where does that leave the majority of people who post on this forum?

I think the large majority of people who live in America are happier than Trump. He makes it hard because he’s such a toxic personality but on one level I pity him.
 
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Did I just hear on the radio that the list is over 700 now?
I turned the car off and I think I heard that.
 

fskimospy

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They blame liberals for not letting them enact their shit policy fast enough. I am proposing we remove that excuse. Of course they will still blame us anyway, the same way they blame Hillary for making them vote for Trump, but who cares?
I understand all that and of course I am being quite hyperbolic here. But the flip side of your argument is we are acknowledging that there are +60 million people in our country who are literally going to vote for what is essentially a dictatorship. People always ask, how could a dictatorship happen? People always say, that could never happen today.

I think it could absolutely happen and that’s why we need to fight against these people.
 
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