Hunger is a great motivator

[rudder]

So you have a large group who are able-bodied, not raising a child... and simply do not want to work and leech off taxpayers. This is where welfare reform comes in. You require these people to either work or attend vocational training to receive food stamp benefits. What happens? Well the number of leeches drop significantly. Hunger is a great motivator!

The governor of Maine has implemented these reforms and he number of people receiving benefits has dropped quite a bit.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...nes-welfare-reforms-are-working/#2c79c0cca4c7

This is great news... especially considered that one of the requirements of coming to the United States as an immigrant is your will not be a public burden. Some data suggests that 50% of immigrants are on some form of public assistance. It would be nice to see the Maine program rolled out nationwide.

 

[soulcougher73]

I just wouldnt give them any welfare period if they are able-bodied but lazy. Let them starve to death or get to work

 

[SMOGZINN]

So you have a large group who are able-bodied, not raising a child... and simply do not want to work and leech off taxpayers. This is where welfare reform comes in. You require these people to either work or attend vocational training to receive food stamp benefits. What happens? Well the number of leeches drop significantly. Hunger is a great motivator!

Is the state providing the work or training or are we expecting them to find their own jobs and pay for their own training? I'm all for a state work and training programs for people on welfare but I'm suspicious of programs that just tell them to sink or swim.

 

[soundforbjt]

Great idea, how about we start with corporate welfare and work down.

 

[rudder]

Great idea, how about we start with corporate welfare and work down.

Totally different issue and you should start another thread. Corporate welfare should be looked at for sure. But I will say this... even with corporate welfare there is still money going to the government and into the economy... way more that when someone leeches when they are able bodied and not raising children.

 

[soundforbjt]

Totally different issue and you should start another thread. Corporate welfare should be looked at for sure. But I will say this... even with corporate welfare there is still money going to the government and into the economy... way more that when someone leeches when they are able bodied and not raising children.

Where is that money they are getting going, Are they hoarding it in off shore accounts? Nope, it's all going back into the economy and government (sales tax, etc).

 

[rudder]

Where is that money they are getting going, Are they hoarding it in off shore accounts? Nope, it's all going back into the economy.

Money given to a welfare recipient is money taken out of the economy. Are you saying if I am taken $1 that the whole $1 will be used to buy food for the able bodied person refusing to work? There is no bloated government bureaucracy in the way? If this were the case then the government should be in charge of everyone's pay and the economy would boom.

 

[SMOGZINN]

There is no bloated government bureaucracy in the way?

Do you think that bloated government bureaucracy doesn't use those funds to pay employees and buy goods and services in the marketplace?

 

[glenn1]

Great idea, how about we start with corporate welfare and work down.

What do you think programs like Food Stamps are but a giant corporate welfare handout? You support handouts also, but you just want them to go to different companies like Kraft Foods rather than Lockheed Martin or whatever company you think is fashionable to hate.

 

[soundforbjt]

I agree with what the program in Maine is doing, where did I say that I didn't?

 

[Sonikku]

Great idea, how about we start with corporate welfare and work down.

shhhhh. The more people get choked up about poor people getting food stamps the less likely they are to take notice to the big ticket freebies.

 

[nickbits]

And for the people with children, the state should take them away until they can afford them.

 

[child of wonder]

Change food stamps into only having the ability to buy raw ingredients such as flour, sugar, yeast, cheap fruit and vegetables, milk, block cheese, rice, beans, whole chickens, etc. Every payout comes with recipe ideas using only ingredients available for purchase with food stamps.

Nobody starves and they learn a marketable skill: cooking.

 

[Indus]

Change food stamps into only having the ability to buy raw ingredients such as flour, sugar, yeast, cheap fruit and vegetables, milk, block cheese, rice, beans, whole chickens, etc. Every payout comes with recipe ideas using only ingredients available for purchase with food stamps.

Nobody starves and they learn a marketable skill: cooking.

Already the case in most states.

You can't even buy a prepared Walmart $4 rotiserie chicken on foodstamps. I noticed that the last time I was at Walmart and saw someone with foodstamps try to buy that. Mac and Cheese boxes, veggies, break ok.. prepared food nope, can't do!

 

[child of wonder]

Already the case in most states.

You can't even buy a prepared Walmart $4 rotiserie chicken on foodstamps. I noticed that the last time I was at Walmart and saw someone with foodstamps try to buy that. Mac and Cheese boxes, veggies, break ok.. prepared food nope, can't do!

Kraft Mac n Cheese shouldn't be on the list. Elbow macaroni noodles, milk, butter, block cheese? Yes. You can make a far healthier mac n cheese with that anyway.

 

[hal2kilo]

Kraft Mac n Cheese shouldn't be on the list. Elbow macaroni noodles, milk, butter, block cheese? Yes. You can make a far healthier mac n cheese with that anyway.

That's way more expensive than a box of basic Kraft Mac n Cheese.

Edit: I just bought 3 boxes of the stuff for 99 cents a piece to put into a hunger drive that Safeway was sponsoring with the cooperation of I think a vets group.

 

[senseamp]

Such success. Maine economy must be booming.
http://www.pressherald.com/2015/06/...owth-in-maine-stagnant-lowest-in-new-england/

 

[dank69]

Money given to a welfare recipient is money taken out of the economy. Are you saying if I am taken $1 that the whole $1 will be used to buy food for the able bodied person refusing to work? There is no bloated government bureaucracy in the way? If this were the case then the government should be in charge of everyone's pay and the economy would boom.

They certainly aren't lighting that money on fire. Poor people typically spend every dollar they have. Government workers getting paid to process this stuff probably aren't offshoring their paychecks either.

 

[interchange]

So...

Person 1: someone with homelessness, low IQ, serious mental illness such as schizophrenia, physical disability, no transportation, low literacy, or any combination of the above

Person 2: someone with able body and mind who would rather freeload if they aren't forced to

Which of these people is more likely to receive food stamps by trying to force people to work or attend vocational training?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

It's hard to have sympathy for people who are clearly freeloaders.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's hard to have sympathy for people who are clearly freeloaders.

Harder for whom? I have as much sympathy for people who have no sympathy for freeloaders as I have for freeloaders because both behave as they do out of self hate. Freeloaders were put down and made to feel worthless and decided to prove it. The unsympathetic decided to compete and prove they were superior people. Both a need to feel superior and the need to fail originate in being made to feel worthless. If you had real self respect you would see that we are all unconsciously motivated machines who have no free will at all.

I realize that harder may not mean for you, impossible.

 

[master_shake_]

if they are getting government funds have them do government work.

digging ditches is a great place to start.

 

[hal2kilo]

if they are getting government funds have them do government work.

digging ditches is a great place to start.

When was the last time you saw an actual person digging a ditch?

 

[zinfamous]

Money given to a welfare recipient is money taken out of the economy. Are you saying if I am taken $1 that the whole $1 will be used to buy food for the able bodied person refusing to work? There is no bloated government bureaucracy in the way? If this were the case then the government should be in charge of everyone's pay and the economy would boom.

Huh? unless they are stuffing that money in a mattress or spending it all on crack, it is going back into the economy.

Where do you actually think the money is going? Maybe you don't like that they are spending a lot of it on booze and lottery tickets, but, that is still going back into the economy. The booze-makers need to eat too, right?

Hell, even the crack dealer is spending their money on goods and services as well.

 

[zinfamous]

And for the people with children, the state should take them away until they can afford them.

so some states require them to have kids even if they can't afford them, refuse to help them pay for their unwanted kids, then take them away when they can't afford their unwanted kids?

This sounds like a fantastic system.