‘Well guys, with all this student loan forgiveness, gun control, and environmental regulation the Democrats are pushing I guess I have no choice but to vote for Team Coup.’
No one said hoax. Disinformation. How are you sure its not? Its not that you get judged for your opinion, its that we simply dont agree on what constitutes reality. Most people here will break it down with you till the smallest verifiable facts. But you know, if we cant agree on what a fact is, shit gets hard.One side spent months lying about the laptop claiming it was all a Russian hoax. Probably 95% of the posts here are the same thing. It's a fact that they testified and what they testified is basically all I've decided is true for sure.
Can you tell me how many years before and how many years after the "attempted coup" I should vote left? I mean you'd think two years later Trump this and Trump that wouldn't be the rallying cry of the left. How long is it going to be before it's acceptable for me to vote differently? I mean I didn't vote left in 2012 or 2016 but now I should because Trump will rise again and attempt another one?Can you give us a ballpark estimate as to how many policy disagreements with a party it takes before you become indifferent between them and the party that tried a coup?
Trump is running again and the Republican Party is supporting him. Until the Republican Party jettisons fascism and jettisons their party members who supported the coup attempt, a vote for that party is a vote for fascism and a vote for treason. This isn't rocket surgery.Can you tell me how many years before and how many years after the "attempted coup" I should vote left? I mean you'd think two years later Trump this and Trump that wouldn't be the rallying cry of the left. How long is it going to be before it's acceptable for me to vote differently? I mean I didn't vote left in 2012 or 2016 but now I should because Trump will rise again and attempt another one?
It's been in the FBI's hands for years. They had access to the password. They had access to the iCloud. They're well aware of what contents are on it. The blanket statement from the left is that the entire thing is filled with disinformation. That's obviously not true but at the same time I'm sure it's very possible some or even most of it is. I think as long as it's been in custody they do know what is and what isn't but the entire contents are misinformation is the left's argument. They won't admit to the possibility that part of it is and that's the end of their discussion involving it. It's Russian misinformation!No one said hoax. Disinformation. How are you sure its not? Its not that you get judged for your opinion, its that we simply dont agree on what constitutes reality. Most people here will break it down with you till the smallest verifiable facts. But you know, if we cant agree on what a fact is, shit gets hard.
And there it is.
I already told you this - whenever republicans stop supporting the guy who tried a coup.Can you tell me how many years before and how many years after the "attempted coup" I should vote left? I mean you'd think two years later Trump this and Trump that wouldn't be the rallying cry of the left. How long is it going to be before it's acceptable for me to vote differently? I mean I didn't vote left in 2012 or 2016 but now I should because Trump will rise again and attempt another one?
Yeah, but what if they never change? Then what is he supposed to do? Vote for the marxists?I already told you this - whenever republicans stop supporting the guy who tried a coup.
This isn’t complicated! Coups are bad. When people support the guy who tried a coup you should not support them.
Can you tell me how many years before and how many years after the "attempted coup" I should vote left? I mean you'd think two years later Trump this and Trump that wouldn't be the rallying cry of the left. How long is it going to be before it's acceptable for me to vote differently? I mean I didn't vote left in 2012 or 2016 but now I should because Trump will rise again and attempt another one?
The letter you referenced in your previous link certainly doesn’t say the entire thing is filled with disinformation.It's been in the FBI's hands for years. They had access to the password. They had access to the iCloud. They're well aware of what contents are on it. The blanket statement from the left is that the entire thing is filled with disinformation. That's obviously not true but at the same time I'm sure it's very possible some or even most of it is. I think as long as it's been in custody they do know what is and what isn't but the entire contents are misinformation is the left's argument. They won't admit to the possibility that part of it is and that's the end of their discussion involving it. It's Russian misinformation!
It's been in the FBI's hands for years. They had access to the password. They had access to the iCloud. They're well aware of what contents are on it. The blanket statement from the left is that the entire thing is filled with disinformation. That's obviously not true but at the same time I'm sure it's very possible some or even most of it is. I think as long as it's been in custody they do know what is and what isn't but the entire contents are misinformation is the left's argument. They won't admit to the possibility that part of it is and that's the end of their discussion involving it. It's Russian misinformation!
Oh yeah the one that was sent out to infer that what it meant. The one that was meant to cast doubt on the entire thing without outright saying it was disinformation. You know as well as I do the origins of that memo are what make it really interesting. No hidden agenda there at all either.The letter you referenced in your previous link certainly doesn’t say the entire thing is filled with disinformation.
So now that you know your description of the position of the left is wrong do you want to revise it any?
It directly contradicts your claim. Can you confirm you read it and agree?Oh yeah the one that was sent out to infer that what it meant. The one that was meant to cast doubt on the entire thing without outright saying it was disinformation. You know as well as I do the origins of that memo are what make it really interesting. No hidden agenda there at all either.
You watch a lot of Joe Rogan?
The left has definitely clouded the issue because nothing good can come from it for them. Kind of the same logic that everyone else keeps using here but only when it suites them.Anyway, we're getting closer
1. Disinformation not a Hoax. Alright.
I think the FBI would. And the iCloud would definitely show what was there before and after. The shop also had a copy of the data that was before it was released and has been gone over. We can go at this all day but some of the date is correct at the very least. The left pushes the narrative that the entire thing is disinformation just like you seem to be doing here.2. In a response to something Rudy wouldnt give up custody on? When was non-MAGA media allowed to investigate it? - And when they finally did, what conclusions did they arrive at?
3. It might still very well be though. You remember the DNC hack and wikileaks? You remember how some of those documents had been poisoned? We know for a fact that some of the content on that harddrive was modified AFTER the hardware was turned into that repair shop.
I dont know what was changed. Do you?
Don't disagree with that. Rudy hasn't been all there for quite a while.Fact is that IF the laptop was 100% legit and the blind repair man is 100% legit and all the cameras was off by accident. IF the laptop was 100% legit, then Rudy fucked up *big time*. He waddled through that crime scene like it was a four seasons dildo shop.
So it should be completely ignored, right? I mean there's no way to no any of it's real because there aren't cloud backups and logs to indicate when they were added there. Completely impossible to tell.With the data and the facts available to the public, the laptop story doesnt pass a common critical thinking test.
I just realize both sides are full of shit. You can tell me one is more than the other but that doesn't make them more palatable.You may consider yourself centrist or whatever but you're running on maga fumes aka not logic.
I was wondering when you'd show up lol. The echo chamber is about filled now.How about until it’s no longer a threat? You know, when the majority of the party stops supporting such people and stops covering for them. I’m guessing you supported the censuring of schiff right? It was justified right?
It's funny you won't address Republicans still supporting the guy who tried a coup.I was wondering when you'd show up lol. The echo chamber is about filled now.
Censuring no. Too much hypocrisy. He's not a beacon of truth though if that's what you're inferring.
Ah yes, now it’s an echo chamber because we are disagreeing with your both sideism bull. if we are such an echo chamber why are you even on here spewing your ignorant garbage. The only echo chamber here is your pathetic attempts to both side traitorous party and normal political party In your own mind.I was wondering when you'd show up lol. The echo chamber is about filled now.
Censuring no. Too much hypocrisy. He's not a beacon of truth though if that's what you're inferring.
look he doesn’t WANT to support the party that supports the guy who tried a coup but student loans and gun rights force him to.It's funny you won't address Republicans still supporting the guy who tried a coup.
None.
The left has definitely clouded the issue because nothing good can come from it for them. Kind of the same logic that everyone else keeps using here but only when it suites them.
I think the FBI would. And the iCloud would definitely show what was there before and after. The shop also had a copy of the data that was before it was released and has been gone over. We can go at this all day but some of the date is correct at the very least. The left pushes the narrative that the entire thing is disinformation just like you seem to be doing here.
The Whistleblowers got warrants for his email records there weren't BS from his laptop so there is definitely ways to corroborate some of the data.
Don't disagree with that. Rudy hasn't been all there for quite a while.
So it should be completely ignored, right? I mean there's no way to no any of it's real because there aren't cloud backups and logs to indicate when they were added there. Completely impossible to tell.
Doesn't matter that some of the emails have been independently corroborated and the pictures that are on it. I mean crackhead wandering around and forgetting where he put his laptop is the most insane story ever.
What doesn't pass the common critical thinking test is the assumption that you seem to be making that there is no useful data on it that can be forensically corroborated or corroborated by other means.
I just realize both sides are full of shit. You can tell me one is more than the other but that doesn't make them more palatable.
Then you’re not keeping up, I am definitely not pushing for all of it to be disinformation. What I am saying is I DO NOT KNOW. Do you? What information is available to us? You present two partisan whistleblowers and I just call that into question.None.
The left has definitely clouded the issue because nothing good can come from it for them. Kind of the same logic that everyone else keeps using here but only when it suites them.
I think the FBI would. And the iCloud would definitely show what was there before and after. The shop also had a copy of the data that was before it was released and has been gone over. We can go at this all day but some of the date is correct at the very least. The left pushes the narrative that the entire thing is disinformation just like you seem to be doing here.
The Whistleblowers got warrants for his email records there weren't BS from his laptop so there is definitely ways to corroborate some of the data.
Don't disagree with that. Rudy hasn't been all there for quite a while.
So it should be completely ignored, right? I mean there's no way to no any of it's real because there aren't cloud backups and logs to indicate when they were added there. Completely impossible to tell.
Doesn't matter that some of the emails have been independently corroborated and the pictures that are on it. I mean crackhead wandering around and forgetting where he put his laptop is the most insane story ever.
I just realize both sides are full of shit. You can tell me one is more than the other but that doesn't make them more palatable.
You and me seem to have different ideas of echo chambers. This forum was a different place 15 years ago than it is today. There's a reason for that.Ah yes, now it’s an echo chamber because we are disagreeing with your both sideism bull. if we are such an echo chamber why are you even on here spewing your ignorant garbage. The only echo chamber here is your pathetic attempts to both side traitorous party and normal political party In your own mind.
Again, disagree with political party policy = normal, siding with political party that attempted coup = traitor. Magats atempted Coup and the Republican Party has not disavowed it. Are you a traitor to America? Yes or no?
You regurgitate Republican talking points in every post but, somehow, you don't side with Republicans. Can we add "gutless" to the list of monikers?You and me seem to have different ideas of echo chambers. This forum was a different place 15 years ago than it is today. There's a reason for that.
Labeling someone who didn't vote for Trump and didn't go visit the capital on January 6th a traitor i thought was a bit far for even here. At no point did I say I sided with Republicans. Multiple people here seem to infer that I me thinking poorly of democrats as well and means I'm a MAGA republican and traitor to America. Sounds a lot like Fascism to me. But what do I know.
No, that's perfectly fine. And I think that's pragmatic about the whistleblowers and I DO NOT KNOW either about the entire laptop either. But at the very least some of it is real. The popular opinion here seems to be it's all disinformation. I think assuming that is just as bad. Your opinion doesn't seem to be the case for certain other posters here though. Occam's razor and this is the simplest reason I can come up with so you're wrong gets old. There are many posters here that won't accept being wrong. Their opinion is right and they will continue to argue and ignore when you point out errors in their logic. Even if the error is assuming that because it's the simplest reason that doesn't necessarily mean it is the reason for one. I think an echo chamber that continually bashes what a minority of people did 2.5 years ago as a reason that their side would never lie or make mistakes is dangerous in itself.Then you’re not keeping up, I am definitely not pushing for all of it to be disinformation. What I am saying is I DO NOT KNOW. Do you? What information is available to us? You present two partisan whistleblowers and I just call that into question.
Sure.You regurgitate Republican talking points in every post but, somehow, you don't side with Republicans. Can we add "gutless" to the list of monikers?