Hunter Biden's Laptop

[Vic]

It's from the hundreds of pages of transcripts no one has bothered to read. There are several links to them from the House webpage I gave out on like the first post.
Did you even read what i said? I mentioned political reasons as why I mentioned it. Why he might have a reason to lie because of political affiliation.

I don't think being gay has anything to do with one being a liar or not. I however don't know too many gay people that are conservatives. It lends credence to him probably being a democrat and I can't see how him being gay and a democrat would make it likely that he wanted to go after Hunter because of political motivations which is what at least one person was implying. I personally can't see why a gay democrat would have a good reason to go after Hunter for political reasons relating to his dad.

I guess I'm now a bigot too. Even though my entire thought process reading his statement made me think he seems like a pretty stand up guy.

It is completely and logical possible for a stand up guy to be a bigot. These things are not mutually exclusive.

You remind of those people who say (for example) that they're not racists but "those black people brought it on themselves."

IOW, you're too stupid to recognize your stupidity.

 

[cmcartman]

lol, care to pwn yourself any more?

What if I told you that some gay people owned guns, would that blow your mind?

I did huh? Because you're going to contradict the statement that most gay people aren't conservatives magically somehow? I like to see that math.

Since I know gay conservatives, and gays that own guns I seriously doubt it.

Waiting for the pwnage.

 

[Vic]

lol, care to pwn yourself any more?

What if I told you that some gay people owned guns, would that blow your mind?

It is insane to me the people who act like their political and ideological affiliations should be as protected as though they were born that way. First, because those same people never ever even remotely consider extending that same accomodation to anyone they don't like, and second, because no one is born into any political ideology. How a person votes is a choice. And that choice should never be immune from accountability.

 

[Vic]

I did huh? Because you're going to contradict the statement that most gay people aren't conservatives magically somehow? I like to see that math.

Since I know gay conservatives, and gays that own guns I seriously doubt it.

Waiting for the pwnage.

"I have a black friend, I can't be a racist."

 

[cmcartman]

It is completely and logical possible for a stand up guy to be a bigot. These things are not mutually exclusive.

You remind of those people who say (for example) that they're not racists but "those black people brought it on themselves."

IOW, you're too stupid to recognize your stupidity.

A stand up guy in my definition would not be a racist or a homophobe. If you think less of someone because of something like that you aren't a stand up guy. If that's not part of your definition of one that's your problem.

 

[cmcartman]

"I have a black friend, I can't be a racist."

Yeah that's exactly the way I meant it. My token gay friends. One of which I've known the longest and was a roomate in college. He's definitely not conservative but he does own guns.
alien42 seems to think that's so rare to be unbelievable, maybe you should be talking to him instead.

Statistics aren't racist, they're just statistics.

 

[Vic]

A stand up guy in my definition would not be a racist or a homophobe. If you think less of someone because of something like that you aren't a stand up guy. If that's not part of your definition of one that's your problem.

The obvious problem here is that you have to create a mental construct of a 'stand up guy' rather than just not act in ways that might be construed as racist or homophobic. Underlying this is the clear implication that I'm not a stand up guy even though my position is clearly anti-racist and anti-homophobic.

 

[Vic]

Yeah that's exactly the way I meant it. My token gay friends. One of which I've known the longest and was a roomate in college. He's definitely not conservative but he does own guns.
alien42 seems to think that's so rare to be unbelievable, maybe you should be talking to him instead.

Statistics aren't racist, they're just statistics.

It's like you don't have a clue what racism is, even despite the obvious fact that it's an ism about race.

Statistics aren't racist when we pretend that our data points aren't based on race!

 

[cmcartman]

It's like you don't have a clue what racism is, even despite the obvious fact that it's an ism about race.

So claiming that gays on average are more likely to lean left than lean right is racist huh? Then I guess I'm a racist today too.

The obvious problem here is that you have to create a mental construct of a 'stand up guy' rather than just not act in ways that might be construed as racist or homophobic. Underlying this is the clear implication that I'm not a stand up guy even though my position is clearly anti-racist and anti-homophobic.

Ahh, yes Sigmund. You're the one who made the assumption about my mental construct of a "stand up guy" not including both those things. I don't know enough about you to make an opinion about that. I do know you're a condescending jackass with a superiority complex though.

 

[Vic]

For clarification, racism is the belief that races exist. It is not, as often held, the belief that one race is superior over another or whatever provinicial BS one might need to compensate for a lack of personal self-worth. That is a symptom of the disease of racism, not racism itself.
Racism is, in a nutshell, the ideology that individuals should be held accountable for the actions of others solely due to being born with similar arbitrarily-decided attributes to which the aforementioned individuals cannot alienate themselves from. Such as, for example, having brown skin.

That said, saying, "Statistics aren't racist, they're just statistics," is undeniably racist.

 

[Vic]

So claiming that gays on average are more likely to lean left than lean right is racist huh? Then I guess I'm a racist today too.

Ahh, yes Sigmund. You're the one who made the assumption about my mental construct of a "stand up guy" not including both those things. I don't know enough about you to make an opinion about that. I do know you're a condescending jackass with a superiority complex though.

LGBT lean left because right-wingers oppose bodily sovereignty in favor of traditional social customs that would outlaw their behavior.
You're accusing me of having of superiority complex because you're butthurt that people might not want to vote with interests that want to outlaw them. Really?

 

[alien42]

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Yeah that's exactly the way I meant it. My token gay friends. One of which I've known the longest and was a roomate in college. He's definitely not conservative but he does own guns.

alien42 seems to think that's so rare to be unbelievable, maybe you should be talking to him instead.

Statistics aren't racist, they're just statistics.

You are so fucking clueless, i was being completely serious when I said gay people own guns. Not surprisingly, your brains remain completely scrambled. You proved Vic's point, "I have a black friend" is literally the same as your "token gay friend"

 

[cmcartman]

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You are so fucking clueless, i was being completely serious when I said gay people own guns. Not surprisingly, your brains remain completely scrambled. You proved Vic's point, "I have a black friend" is literally the same as your "token gay friend"

I knew you were being serious. You were trying to insult me by inferring it would blow my mind. You don't know shit about me and you felt like the best way to jump into the discussion was with that comment. I'll have to let him know that he's now my "token gay friend" because he happened to be the first openly gay man I became friends with. He'd find humor in that.

 

[Vic]

I knew you were being serious. You were trying to insult me by inferring it would blow my mind. You don't know shit about me and you felt like the best way to jump into the discussion was with that comment. I'll have to let him know that he's now my "token gay friend" because he happened to be the first openly gay man I became friends with. He'd find humor in that.

It's not about you. It's about how you think your gay friend speaks for all gay people because yaknow they're all the same, right?

 

[alien42]

I knew you were being serious. You were trying to insult me by inferring it would blow my mind. You don't know shit about me and you felt like the best way to jump into the discussion was with that comment. I'll have to let him know that he's now my "token gay friend" because he happened to be the first openly gay man I became friends with. He'd find humor in that.

I know that the only threads in this forum that you participated in before this thread were gun related. You have also revealed quite a bit about yourself in this thread.

And you still probably don't realize what your need to point out that you have a gay friend says about you.

 

[Vic]

I already told you this - whenever republicans stop supporting the guy who tried a coup.

This isn’t complicated! Coups are bad. When people support the guy who tried a coup you should not support them.

I personally can't think of any better definition of a tyrant than a political leader who can remain in power despite the will of the electorate. But I guess those who side with tyrants might disagree.

 

[Vic]

Meanwhile, we're all discussing and highlighting that most un-American of all ideas, which is attainder, corruption of blood, or guilt by association. Sickening IMO.

 

[cmcartman]

LGBT lean left because right-wingers oppose bodily sovereignty in favor of traditional social customs that would outlaw their behavior.
You're accusing me of having of superiority complex because you're butthurt that people might not want to vote with interests that want to outlaw them. Really?

No, I completely understand why they would. It's common sense and I would expect them to. And while I don't think that the ratio of left to rights that makes would be inherently racist, I do think if you treated them differently because of those choices you would be. Not to mention an idiot if you didn't understand why they did.

I'm accusing you of a being a jackass with a superiority complex because you apparently are one. That you that you think "I'm butthurt that people might not want to vote with interests that want to outlaw them" without knowing me at all is another reason. You keep tossing ideas out that you seem to think I believe and you don't seem to know a damn thing about me but you seem pretty smug in explaining the things I (think) to me. You keep putting words in my mouth and making assumptions that don't make sense. And think you know more about what's going through my head than I do myself.

That idea was kind of my point when referring to the gay whistleblower going after Hunter. That it's the opposite you'd expect (on average) that a democratic gay would do if he was somehow was politically inclined to act. It would make no sense for him to do that if he was considering his best interests, or at least less sense than if he was say a Redneck Trump supporter. And yes that's potentially making an assumption that he would be more or less likely do it in the first place. But it was more of a theoretical excersise in averages in my mind. If an average person and him were both inclined to act on their political affiliations I think it would be more likely that the average person would go after Hunter than the gay guy because of his father being a Democratic open supporter of LGBT... Basically using some odd logic to support my position that I didn't believe that Hunter was gone after by him because of political reasons, or rather than it was less likely that he would have then an average (statistically) person.

 

[Vic]

No, I completely understand why they would. It's common sense and I would expect them to. And while I don't think that the ratio of left to rights that makes would be inherently racist, I do think if you treated them differently because of those choices you would be. Not to mention an idiot if you didn't understand why they did.

I'm accusing you of a being a jackass with a superiority complex because you apparently are one. That you that you think "I'm butthurt that people might not want to vote with interests that want to outlaw them" without knowing me at all is another reason. You keep tossing ideas out that you seem to think I believe and you don't seem to know a damn thing about me but you seem pretty smug in explaining the things I (think) to me. You keep putting words in my mouth and making assumptions that don't make sense. And think you know more about what's going through my head than I do myself.

That idea was kind of my point when referring to the gay whistleblower going after Hunter. That it's the opposite you'd expect (on average) that a democratic gay would do if he was somehow was politically inclined to act. It would make no sense for him to do that if he was considering his best interests, or at least less sense than if he was say a Redneck Trump supporter. And yes that's potentially making an assumption that he would be more or less likely do it in the first place. But it was more of a theoretical excersise in averages in my mind. If an average person and him were both inclined to act on their political affiliations I think it would be more likely that the average person would go after Hunter than the gay guy because of his father being a Democratic open supporter of LGBT... Basically using some odd logic to support my position that I didn't believe that Hunter was gone after by him because of political reasons.

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. "

 

[Vic]

Life was better before WWE and Nascar fanbois decided they were political geniuses.

 

[cmcartman]

I'm done discussing with you. You've done nothing but put words in my mouth and haven't bothered to mention anything about the laptop or the transcripts of the Whistleblowers.
And I'd rather spend my time discussing Russians killing Russians since all that's started this evening apparently. Lot less insults in that thread as well.

 

[cmcartman]

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. "

And assholes are assholes, guess I'm a small person.

 

[Vic]

I'm done discussing with you. You've done nothing but put words in my mouth and haven't bothered to mention anything about the laptop or the transcripts of the Whistleblowers.
And I'd rather spend my time discussing Russians killing Russians since all that's started this evening apparently. Lot less insults in that thread as well.

That's because all of that is fabricated (or compromised to the extent that fabrication cannot be discounted), and because the suffering of the Russians will end when Putin is brought before the World Court and held accountable for his crimes against humanity.

 

[Vic]

And assholes are assholes, guess I'm a small person.

Did you discuss anything other than people, or your emotions?

 

[cytg111]

Because he's the current DNI

Lol, no I literally had to google search that one and it was the first I happened to find. I assumed there wouldn't be any funny business with the story I remembered about it and I posted it. It wasn't the one I was thinking of.

To be fair I agree that article is crap actually reading through it. It doesn't actually say anything while babbling on.

This is a little better source and I think the one I read at the time. Seems to be based on a report from the House. I assume all this was posted earlier in this thread but I haven't been following it so I can't say for sure. Wasn't intending to talk about anything more than the whistleblowers testimony released yesterday because it hadn't been posted here.

Republicans say Biden campaign exploited former intel officials to discredit Hunter Biden laptop allegations

Just before the last 2020 presidential debate, 51 of the former officials signed a letter saying the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop had the "earmarks" of a Russian operation.

www.cbsnews.com

I assume this is what it's based off. And what I think is suspicious.

Biden campaign, Blinken orchestrated intel letter to discredit Hunter Biden laptop story, ex-CIA official says

A former CIA official testified that then-Biden campaign senior adviser, now-Secretary of State Antony Blinken "played a role in the inception" of the public statement signed by current and past intelligence officials that claimed the Hunte

judiciary.house.gov

"In his transcribed interview, Morell testified that on or around October 17, 2020 you reached out to him to discuss the Hunter Biden laptop story," they wrote. Blinken, at the time, was a senior adviser to the Biden campaign.

"According to Morell, although your outreach was couched as simply gathering Morell's reaction to the Post story, it set in motion the events that led to the issuance of the public statement," they wrote.

Morell testified that the Biden campaign "helped to strategize about the public release of the statement."

"Morell further explained that one of his two goals in releasing the statement was to help then-Vice President Biden in the debate and to assist him in winning the election," Jordan and Turner wrote.

Morell testified: "There were two intents. One intent was to share our concern with the American people that the Russians were playing on this issue; and, two, it was to help Vice President Biden."

Morell was asked why he wanted to help Biden.

"Because I wanted him to win the election," Morell testified.




Behind paywalls so I haven't read them. But they're all based on the same report I'm assuming.

Officials Who Cast Doubt on Hunter Biden Laptop Face Questions (Published 2023)

Dozens of former intelligence officials signed a letter discounting the laptop’s contents. Republicans say the missive was part of a Biden campaign operation.

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | Joe Biden and the 51 Spies of 2020

We’re now learning that his campaign helped gin up the disinformation about Hunter’s laptop.

www.wsj.com

I’ll read up on that later today.