Hunter Biden's Laptop

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cytg111

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I really have no horse in this race, but I have to ask, what does gay have anything to do with anything?
Why were you compelled to mention that detail?
Isnt that as fair as mentioning someone might be of color it may also be semiphrasing a quote he read from one of those links, while I can question its validity it isnt really out of the norm is it? You might argue that a gay person would consider stepping forward twice given the rights hostile environment towards the lgbtq community and thus it took extra courage to do so. Shrugs.
 

cmcartman

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That's because all of that is fabricated (or compromised to the extent that fabrication cannot be discounted), and because the suffering of the Russians will end when Putin is brought before the World Court and held accountable for his crimes against humanity.
You don't know much about the pysche of the Russian people apparently. I'd be extremely suprised if he is ever held accountable. When you talk about messed up in the head, there are a lot of Russians that are just that unfortunately. There are a vast number of them that are going to think Putin can do no wrong until it gets much, much worse than it has. I had a pen pal I talked to regularly there a long time ago. She was intelligent and very western in most of her ideas. But when it came to Putin there was no way to talk any sense into her at all. There's a sense of respect there for power. Much more than even what you'd think the average Trumper thinks of Trump. It doesn't matter if it's corrupt power in the least bit. It was frustrating to explain and I eventually gave up on the subject. Otherwise you'd have had trouble knowing she was any different than an average girl here in the US.

You're also assuming that someone worse than Putin doesn't end up replacing him, a very distinct possibility.
 

zinfamous

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lol, look at what this thread has become.

Vlady would be smiling...eh, well he would be, if he had time to pay attention to the success of this operation of his right now. ....but he does not have that time, at the moment.
 
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eelw

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and haven't bothered to mention anything about the laptop or the transcripts of the Whistleblowers.
Yeah because it’s a big nothingburger of planted details and been discussed ad nauseam long before you decided to add your 2 cents. Not our fault you’re falling for the shiny object.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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The problem is the FBI verified it was his and then no one bothered to tell everyone else of that fact. In fact certain people decided to put out information that the entire thing was a Hoax when many of them knew that it wasn't. That doesn't sound suspicious either.
You still haven't answered the following so I'll try for the 3rd time...

Since Rudy had the laptop at one time if there was anything on it that incriminated Joe why didn't Rudy just release it?

Gym Jordan had his let's get Biden committee why didn't he put the whistleblowers under oath in a public forum and subject to cross? Happens everyday in trials. Lt Col Vindman was a whistleblower at Trump's impeachment and that's what they did to get to the truth.

Lastly let me clarify something for you...

The laptop being Russian disinformation was not a hoax. Intel people had reason to believe it didn't exist turns out that was just wrong.

Trump colluding with the Russians was not a hoax. Don Jr took a meeting with the Russians to get dirt on Hillary. Also, his public statement "Russia if you are listening" and then within hours Democratic stolen documents were leaked. Unfortunately, Mueller didn't have enough to prove collusion in court.

Want examples of a hoax? Obama was born in Kenya or Democrats were grooming kids in gay pizza shops. No evidence whatsoever yet Pubs just made shit up and ran with it.
 

NWRMidnight

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No.

Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.
Alcohol remains unlawful under the age of 21 across the nation.. yet you can purchase a firearm. DUI's are illegal across the nations, why don't they ask about driving under the influence, or if you are addicted to alcohol, or an alcoholic? Why do they ask about other controlled substances, but not alcohol as the use of Alcohol, or being under the influence can be illegal as well, and just as dangerous, if not more dangerous as any other controlled substance? The point, is that question shouldn't be on the questionnaire at all.
 

APU_Fusion

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You still haven't answered the following so I'll try for the 3rd time...

Since Rudy had the laptop at one time if there was anything on it that incriminated Joe why didn't Rudy just release it?

Gym Jordan had his let's get Biden committee why didn't he put the whistleblowers under oath in a public forum and subject to cross? Happens everyday in trials. Lt Col Vindman was a whistleblower at Trump's impeachment and that's what they did to get to the truth.

Lastly let me clarify something for you...

The laptop being Russian disinformation was not a hoax. Intel people had reason to believe it didn't exist turns out that was just wrong.

Trump colluding with the Russians was not a hoax. Don Jr took a meeting with the Russians to get dirt on Hillary. Also, his public statement "Russia if you are listening" and then within hours Democratic stolen documents were leaked. Unfortunately, Mueller didn't have enough to prove collusion in court.

Want examples of a hoax? Obama was born in Kenya or Democrats were grooming kids in gay pizza shops. No evidence whatsoever yet Pubs just made shit up and ran with it.
You won’t get answers. I asked the same questions. 🤣
 
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NWRMidnight

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Well he either did have authority to or didn't. Since he came back repeatedly telling the, no the DoJ this the DoJ that it would seem logical for them to assume that he wasn't in charge and or didn't have the authority.


I've read through about half of it and skimmed the rest. Good talk. Keep on keeping your head in the sand too. If nothing other than your viewpoint is possible It's not going to be worth the effort.
You read thru about half of them, getting a woody, because you believe what they say are factual. all while ignoring the many warning signs that they are not, many examples already presented to you, that you keep making up excuses for, or refuse to acknowledge the discrepancies that indicate they are not factual. You could go to the fiction section of any library, grab any book off the shelf, and most likely, you would find more factual information in that fictional book, than what you will find in those transcripts. Hence, why you have been accused of believing conspiracy theory propaganda, which is exactly what those transcripts are.
 
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skyking

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Isnt that as fair as mentioning someone might be of color it may also be semiphrasing a quote he read from one of those links, while I can question its validity it isnt really out of the norm is it? You might argue that a gay person would consider stepping forward twice given the rights hostile environment towards the lgbtq community and thus it took extra courage to do so. Shrugs.
No.
We move forward every time we don't see color or sexual preference or orientation as a difference worth mentioning. It does not add to the narrative unless somebody provides all that context, and that is the problem. Leave out those details or selectively include them to suit your goals, and that is what bigotry looks like.

I'll relate a story from my childhood. I told my mom about a new friend, James at school.
One day she was picking me up and I turned around and pointed " James is over there in the blue coat"
He was the only black child in a sea of anglo kids. I was literally oblivious to his color, and it was one of the proudest stories that my mom could tell about me. I was 6 and had not learned about racism yet.
I can't say that I have kept that innocent perspective as I became an adult. I can look back on it as a lesson.
 
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cytg111

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No.
We move forward every time we don't see color or sexual preference or orientation as a difference worth mentioning. It does not add to the narrative unless somebody provides all that context, and that is the problem. Leave out those details or selectively include them to suit your goals, and that is what bigotry looks like.

I'll relate a story from my childhood. I told my mom about a new friend, James at school.
One day she was picking my up and I turned around and pointed " James is over there in the blue coat"
He was the only black child in a sea of anglo kids. I was literally oblivious to his color, and it was one of the proudest stories that my mom could tell about me. I was 6 and had not learned about racism yet.
I can't say that I have kept that innocent perspective as I became an adult. I can look back on it as a lesson.
Ok cool, but he is not posting a screenshot of him self in full KKK gear and we were sort of getting into the Hunter side of things again *without* this becoming a 20 vs 1 shouting match on a side track. Some times we *are* an echo chamber.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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But is it an echo chamber when it’s the truth?
Well, no. Not to you and me.
However, that is not a great way to advance the debate outside this chamber is it?
Plus, as an agnostic I still hold out that 0.001% chance that I might have gotten this thing wrong.
 

cmcartman

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Alcohol remains unlawful under the age of 21 across the nation.. yet you can purchase a firearm. DUI's are illegal across the nations, why don't they ask about driving under the influence, or if you are addicted to alcohol, or an alcoholic? Why do they ask about other controlled substances, but not alcohol as the use of Alcohol, or being under the influence can be illegal as well, and just as dangerous, if not more dangerous as any other controlled substance? The point, is that question shouldn't be on the questionnaire at all.
I didn't write the laws. I just repeated what it asks. If you think it shouldn't be that's fine. I probably would agree. Maybe you should do something about changing it?
You read thru about half of them, getting a woody, because you believe what they say are factual. all while ignoring the many warning signs that they are not, many examples already presented to you, that you keep making up excuses for, or refuse to acknowledge the discrepancies that indicate they are not factual. You could go to the fiction section of any library, grab any book off the shelf, and most likely, you would find more factual information in that fictional book, than what you will find in those transcripts. Hence, why you have been accused of believing conspiracy theory propaganda, which is exactly what those transcripts are.
Have you bothered to read any of them at all yet? Or just the blanket it's not something I want to hear so I'll stick my head in the sand and I assume it's BS. It goes both ways.
 

cmcartman

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You won’t get answers. I asked the same questions. 🤣
Well to be fair I got bombarded with about 100 posts calling me racists and basically KKK at the end. And I was a lot more interested in the Wagner Russia thing that had started and I didn't notice.
 

cmcartman

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But is it an echo chamber when it’s the truth?
That's a good way to guarantee to you'll expand your horizon's. But if only listening to stuff you want to hear works for you go at it. I frequent other forums that some conservative posters act the same way too. They all believe it's the truth too.
 

cmcartman

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1) Abandoned at the shop of a blind repairman by someone he could not identify.
2) He then gave copies of the contents to Rudy Giuliani, one of the least credible people on the planet.
3) Giuliani then attempted to shop it to news organizations
4) When news organizations requested access to the materials so they could verify they were genuine Giuliani refused.
He was legally blind, not the same as a blind repairman. I'm legally blind without glasses these days. Months later that's not completely suprising that he couldn't

I agree he has definitely become that, there was a time I wouldn't have agreed with that and 4 years ago that would have been somewhere in the transition phases. I assume he saw the contents and thought they would help Trump so that's how Rudy got them. I'm not him or Rudy so I can't tell you either.

Copies were given out eventually. And multiple analysis' seemed to conclude that at the very lest some of them were legitimate.

This one claims it most definitely was his.

The whistleblowers testimony mentioned that the FBI also thought it was his laptop and that it matched his iCloud account.
 

cmcartman

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You still haven't answered the following so I'll try for the 3rd time...
It's kind of hard to respond the 20 different people at the same time. Especially when half are insulting you by the end. And like I mentioned elsewhere the Wagner/ Russia thing started and I spent most of the time there once I realized it.
Gym Jordan had his let's get Biden committee why didn't he put the whistleblowers under oath in a public forum and subject to cross? Happens everyday in trials. Lt Col Vindman was a whistleblower at Trump's impeachment and that's what they did to get to the truth.
One, they're not on trial. I mentioned in a previous post that I did agree after going to the House they should go back through the Senate and have a public forum.
At the same time Democrats tried to vote to keep the transcript secret. Why did they do that?

Lastly let me clarify something for you...

The laptop being Russian disinformation was not a hoax. Intel people had reason to believe it didn't exist turns out that was just wrong.
You have proof of this? Since you're demanding it I will as well.

The intel people that signed that letter did so to help Biden win. They never said it was disinformation, they just inferred it potentially was.

"...it was to help Vice President Biden."

Morell was asked why he wanted to help Biden.

"Because I wanted him to win the election," Morell testified."

That's Michael Morell Former United States Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. Was that letter the basis of your "proof" it was disinformation?


I don't discount the possibility that it was. But at the very least some of the data on it is legitimate. Like I said according to the whistleblowers as well the FBI knew it was his.

Do you believe the entire laptop and it's data are disinformation?
 
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IronWing

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Of course former intelligence officers wanted Biden to win. They knew Trump was a treasonous shitbag and a danger to our republic. This wasn’t a conspiracy.
 

cmcartman

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Of course former intelligence officers wanted Biden to win. They knew Trump was a treasonous shitbag and a danger to our republic. This wasn’t a conspiracy.
Lol, when they write a letter inferring it's disinformation in an attempt to swing an election but they have no actual proof that's not a conspiracy?
Just because you personally are happy with the outcome doesn't change what it is.
 

UNCjigga

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Lol, when they write a letter inferring it's disinformation in an attempt to swing an election but they have no actual proof that's not a conspiracy?
No, this is what a real conspiracy looks like.

Do you think George Soros SuperPACs should be allowed to anonymously fund Republican primary candidates or Independents in order to tank Republicans? Because if this kinda thing is kosher (SCOTUS seems to think so) then that’s where we’re headed.
 

ivwshane

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Guys! There is totally something fishy going on here! Why wouldn’t democrats want to have hearings about a private citizen about concerns raised from an obvious political hit job designed to weaken Biden? Surely you guys think that such a hearing is important to get out in front of the American people!! History certainly doesn’t repeat itself, right? We all remember the super legit Benghazi hearings and investigations, all nine of them, remember all the important info that came from those? There is absolutely no way those were political hit jobs as well, it’s not like we have actual republicans saying as much!


Signed,

Both sides idiot who believes every conspiracy republicans put forth.
 
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cmcartman

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No, this is what a real conspiracy looks like.

Do you think George Soros SuperPACs should be allowed to anonymously fund Republican primary candidates or Independents in order to tank Republicans? Because if this kinda thing is kosher (SCOTUS seems to think so) then that’s where we’re headed.
So we're going to change the conspiracy because it's just not big enough of one? And muddle it with another issue? Whataboutism?

I do recall a poll that seemed to come to the conclusion that the Hunter Biden laptop scandal could have changed voters minds. So discounting that as disinformation without any proof by 51 former intelligence officials doesn't sound like a tiny thing to me.

Trying to have a discussion here is an exercise in futility.



And to answer the question PAC's and corporate donations to politicians is a real issue that I agree something needs done about.
 

cmcartman

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Guys! There is totally something fishy going on here! Why wouldn’t democrats want to have hearings about a private citizen about concerns raised from an obvious political hit job designed to weaken Biden? Surely you guys think that such a hearing is important to get out in front of the American people!! History certainly doesn’t repeat itself, right? We all remember the super legit Benghazi hearings and investigations, all nine of them, remember all the important info that came from those? There is absolutely no way those were political hit jobs as well, it’s not like we have actual republicans saying as much!


Signed,

Both sides idiot who believes every conspiracy republicans put forth.
Several of the questions that have been shoved in my face are the complete opposite scenario and the response is just the same. So don't act like I'm alone there.


I think one (of many) of the Republicans problem is they're The Boy Who Cried Conspiracy. They bring so much crap up that on the occasion something real does happen it's hard to take them at face value.
 

IronWing

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Lol, when they write a letter inferring it's disinformation in an attempt to swing an election but they have no actual proof that's not a conspiracy?
Just because you personally are happy with the outcome doesn't change what it is.
No, it's not a conspiracy. There was nothing hidden here. Writing a letter in attempt to swing an election is a completely legitimate activity. Were you unhappy with the outcome, that the treasonous shitbag lost?
 
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