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sportage

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Weiss tells Congress that he never requested special counsel status.
Those republicans... Those republicans...
They are so mad that Trump was exposed then indicted. Those republicans, they just don't know what to do? They want revenge against Biden and Hunter but they have a problem, Biden didn't do anything and Hunter's peccadilloes are not indictable yet alone criminal. With Hunter you have a substance abuser who often makes questionable decisions. And as for Biden, he is like so many other parents dealing with a troubled child. Still, peccadilloes not likely criminal nor indictable.

Everything those republicans are trying to pull they are pulling out of their ass. The whistleblower(s), the witnesses, the secret witnesses, the missing witnesses, the missing witnesses that Biden buried in the desert, the documents, the missing documents, the invisible documents, the documents eaten by the dog, it never ends. It never ends because they want so badly to get something on Hunter so they can do a trade-off. They want to say that Trump cannot be prosecuted unless Biden and Hunter are prosecuted. This is what they really want, to justify in some perverted way to excuse Donald Trump from accountability. They have nothing on Biden, but that doesn't stop them from trying to make shit up.
 

UNCjigga

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Wait wait wait…the whistleblower was arrested 5 months ago, skipped out on bail and fled to Cyprus and was on the lam—and COMER KNEW ALL THIS THE WHOLE TIME????

Can a Congressman be held in contempt for lying to Congress??? Why do ordinary citizens have to follow different rules for Congressional testimony than actual Congressmen??

 
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gorobei

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press release from US atty office on suspect Gal Luft
china, uae, kenya, libya, who didnt this guy sell out to?
 
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eelw

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But they’re moving on to mocking Biden for only acknowledging his 6 grandchildren and not the illegitimate one that Hunter fathered but yet to meet and pays alimony to
 

fskimospy

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But they’re moving on to mocking Biden for only acknowledging his 6 grandchildren and not the illegitimate one that Hunter fathered but yet to meet and pays alimony to
Yes, why on earth would a dad not publicly drop a dime on his son like that? I can’t imagine why.

Regardless, we know republicans don’t actually care about any of this stuff so when they pretend to care we don’t have to pretend to believe them.
 
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compcons

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Now we just have to wait for cartman to wander back in and either admit his "whistleblower" was probably not as legitimate as he insisted he was or we get to hear the spin the dumbfuck conservatives are putting on this one.
 
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akugami

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press release from US atty office on suspect Gal Luft
china, uae, kenya, libya, who didnt this guy sell out to?

I still need Russia and N.Korea on my bingo card.
 

akugami

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Now we just have to wait for cartman to wander back in and either admit his "whistleblower" was probably not as legitimate as he insisted he was or we get to hear the spin the dumbfuck conservatives are putting on this one.

Meh. He'll just say the whistleblower reports were paywalled and he couldn't read it. BUT, he's 100% sure the [insert random crap report] shows Joe Biden is guilty.
 
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Wait wait wait…the whistleblower was arrested 5 months ago, skipped out on bail and fled to Cyprus and was on the lam—and COMER KNEW ALL THIS THE WHOLE TIME????

Can a Congressman be held in contempt for lying to Congress??? Why do ordinary citizens have to follow different rules for Congressional testimony than actual Congressmen??

^^^^ Like I said vvvvv
Comer is all too often overlooked as being one of the worst of the worst MAGAts.
 
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cytg111

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Now we just have to wait for cartman to wander back in and either admit his "whistleblower" was probably not as legitimate as he insisted he was or we get to hear the spin the dumbfuck conservatives are putting on this one.
I’d argue its not cartman’s fault here, its the bad faith partisan actors that peddle this garbage non vetted information, many of them im sure well knowing its false.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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Wait wait wait…the whistleblower was arrested 5 months ago, skipped out on bail and fled to Cyprus and was on the lam—and COMER KNEW ALL THIS THE WHOLE TIME????

Can a Congressman be held in contempt for lying to Congress??? Why do ordinary citizens have to follow different rules for Congressional testimony than actual Congressmen??

Difference in DOJ vs Comer? DOJ has real evidence. Not someone claiming they know someone who may have seen some documents.
 

APU_Fusion

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But her emails …. Look squirrel with Hunter’s shiny China white that was provided by pizza shop basement Kenyan communist of mixed race. iPad typing hard - edit 🤣
 

cmcartman

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Weiss tells Congress that he never requested special counsel status.
Then if true that begs the question why didn't he request it after being denied in California and DC? If he didn't think they were worthwhile cases in the first place why bother?

Looks like either the whistleblowers had no idea what they were talking about or were lying.
I don't think it actually does. I'm not going to go back and read through all the transcripts again to find every time they talked about it but I think it was inferred he wasn't being allowed special counsel status when they tried to charge him in the other states. I know wb2 used inferred specifically. And WB 1 said "We knew that President Biden-appointed U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves did not support the investigation, but DOJ and United States Attorney Weiss allowed us to believe that he had some special authority to charge."

It sounds like it's possible they thought he was being denied that status because he wasn't being allowed to bring charges there. Instead he claims he could bring charges himself if he asked Garland for the status but instead he referred it to California and DC and when they declined he just wiped his hands of it and didn't tell them that. With the way he's answered questions to congress I don't see him going out of his way to explain to them this. He could have just let them be ignorant and stop pressuring him more he which seems to be his style if his letters are any basis.

There were six IRS witnesses in the meeting. The email confirms another non whistleblowers name and the New York Times independently confirmed that is what he told them in the meeting as well. Your podcast guest seemed to think he could have just been lying to the IRS agents to draw the heat off himself. It could be as simple as that why the whistleblowers thought there wasn't justice if true. But at the same time the blame comes back squarely on Weiss for lying to them in the first place if that is the case. Personally I think it doesn't make sense because there seems to be an actual timeline in the California case that didn't come back with the denial until months later, after the Biden appointee had taken charge.

"A similar request to prosecutors in the Central District of California, which includes Los Angeles, was also rejected, Mr. Shapley testified. A second former I.R.S. official, who has not been identified, told House Republicans the same story. That episode was confirmed independently to The New York Times by a person with knowledge of the situation."

He went from being "granted ultimate authority over this matter, including responsibility for deciding where, when and whether to file charges." before the testimony was released to. “I have been assured that, if necessary after the above process, I would be granted § 515 Authority in the District of Columbia, the Central District of California, or any other district where charges could be brought in this matter,” he wrote, referring to the section of federal law that defines the role of a special attorney." So he followed the process was denied and then declined to ask for authority?
Why didn't he say that in the first place instead of the limited statement he made that was then contradicted by the testimony? It's not lying but it wasn't the whole truth either. Just like I said after the first statement, It's a crafted legal letter.

Everyone is calling the Whistleblowers liars and ignoring how Weiss has rolled back part of his statement and it is still a he said she said thing. Only now there's additional confirmation from the Times that Weiss told the IRS agents that he "is not the deciding person." That still directly contradicts his later statement which was written with crystal clear legal intent.
 

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fskimospy

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Then if true that begs the question why didn't he request it after being denied in California and DC? If he didn't think they were worthwhile cases in the first place why bother?

I don't think it actually does. I'm not going to go back and read through all the transcripts again to find every time they talked about it but I think it was inferred he wasn't being allowed special counsel status when they tried to charge him in the other states. I know wb2 used inferred specifically. And WB 1 said "We knew that President Biden-appointed U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves did not support the investigation, but DOJ and United States Attorney Weiss allowed us to believe that he had some special authority to charge."

It sounds like it's possible they thought he was being denied that status because he wasn't being allowed to bring charges there. Instead he claims he could bring charges himself if he asked Garland for the status but instead he referred it to California an DC and when they declined he just wiped his hands of it and didn't tell them that. With the way he's answered questions to congress I don't see him going out of his way to explain to them this. He could have just let them infer he had been denied which seems to be his style.

There were six IRS witnesses in the meeting. The email confirms another non whistleblowers name and the New York Times independently confirmed that is what he told them in the meeting as well. Your podcast guest seemed to think he could have just been lying to the IRS agents to draw the heat off himself. It could be as simple as that why the whistleblowers thought there wasn't justice if true. But at the same time the blame comes back squarely on Weiss for lying to them in the first place.

"A similar request to prosecutors in the Central District of California, which includes Los Angeles, was also rejected, Mr. Shapley testified. A second former I.R.S. official, who has not been identified, told House Republicans the same story. That episode was confirmed independently to The New York Times by a person with knowledge of the situation."

He went from being "granted ultimate authority over this matter, including responsibility for deciding where, when and whether to file charges." before the testimony was released to. “I have been assured that, if necessary after the above process, I would be granted § 515 Authority in the District of Columbia, the Central District of California, or any other district where charges could be brought in this matter,” he wrote, referring to the section of federal law that defines the role of a special attorney." So he followed the process was denied and then declined to ask for authority?
Why didn't he say that in the first place instead of the limited statement he made that was then contradicted by the testimony? It's not lying but it wasn't the whole truth either. Just like I said after the first statement, It's a crafted legal letter.

Everyone is calling the Whistleblowers liars and ignoring how Weiss has rolled back part of his statement and it is still a he said she said thing. Only now there's additional confirmation from the Times that Weiss told the IRS agents that he "is not the deciding person." That still directly contradicts his later statement which was written with crystal clear legal intent.

Weiss started off

I don't think this makes any logical sense and combined with the fact that the 'whistleblowers' attorney is now saying it doesn't even matter if what they said is true or not their credibility is very low at this moment.

Regardless, the logic here for Weiss to be lying makes no sense. By far the most likely answer is Popehat's answer - the IRS guys don't know what they're talking about but often think they do. For the IRS guys' logic to make sense it means Weiss was all about prosecuting Hunter Biden in California, up to and including assistance in doing so, and was then turned by the Biden administration and decided to abandon the use of his powers and start perjuring himself to Congress, risking prison.

This is a fantastical claim and one that objective people should realize is very, very unlikely.
 
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cmcartman

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I don't think this makes any logical sense and combined with the fact that the 'whistleblowers' attorney is now saying it doesn't even matter if what they said is true or not their credibility is very low at this moment.
I agree that statement was full of WTF and does damage their credibility to an extent. I think they're trying to point out that since he declined to prosecute it was really the DC and California political appointees that made the call when they didn't take the cases. They may have made assumptions that he did ask and was denied and stated them as facts. I do know that they both used inferred in some of their statements though. If Weiss was telling them one thing and another was true it's hard for me to decide the Whistleblowers were just blatantly lying though.
Regardless, the logic here for Weiss to be lying makes no sense. By far the most likely answer is Popehat's answer - the IRS guys don't know what they're talking about but often think they do. For the IRS guys' logic to make sense it means Weiss was all about prosecuting Hunter Biden in California, up to and including assistance in doing so, and was then turned by the Biden administration and decided to abandon the use of his powers and start perjuring himself to Congress, risking prison.
He hasn't perjured himself at all is the thing. He's been very careful what he has said to congress at least. It's misleading but it's not factually incorrect if Garland did tell him that he would support special counsel status if he asked. He had ultimate authority, or authority to if he wanted to prosecute if no one else would in those states. He just decided not to use it. It's only a potential lie when you compare it to what he told the investigators. Maybe Garland told him that and he was informally told to not actually ask for the status and run the case up the normal channels. He's been too narrow and specific with the two letters so far. If he'd just come out and say I had the authority, I decided not to use it and no one coerced me into that then I think it would probably put the issue to rest. He hasn't though, why?

The podcast guy your basing you're opinion on even said it's no big deal if he lied to the investigators, that it would go nowhere. So in terms of culpability if he did lie to them it's a non issue. I don't really know what to think. But there seems to be very credible evidence now that he did say he "is not the deciding person." You can say it makes no sense, and I agree. But I believe that email is a correct summary of what the IRS agents were told in that meeting.

I think it's possible you are correct that they were just being too aggressive, or at least too aggressive for Weiss' tastes. It's actually kind of where I expected this to start leading the more I've thought about it. Weiss has been pointed out as the Trump appointee with the ultimate authority, and since he declined to prosecute the other charges there's nothing to talk about. I mean he at least tried to get California and DC to prosecute on their ends. In a small state like Delaware where Biden has been in politics for 40 years I think I'd be hesitant to rock the boat too. It's the type of place that both sides of the political spectrum are actually not that far apart. He did what he needed to clear his conscious and he's going to call it a day. I think if that was the case though he should have come out to begin with saying he had the ultimate authority and he was using that authority when he decided not to ask for special counsel status.

Everyone keeps saying, well he's a Trump appointee so it makes no sense!
From a reuters article.
"Weiss was nominated to be U.S. attorney in Delaware by Trump in 2018 with the support of Delaware’s two Democratic U.S. senators. He previously served as the top deputy in the office and was interim U.S. attorney during the early years of the 2009-2017 Obama administration."

This is a fantastical claim and one that objective people should realize is very, very unlikely.
Like I said, he likely hasn't perjured himself at all yet. Even if he has I think it would be hard to prove now with that explanation. If you assume he wasn't going to stick his neck out in the first place it does make sense. Unless there's some smoking gun document or witness that comes out from the DoJ I don't think we'll ever know for sure. Your magical claim seems to involve that email and the meeting being entirely made up fantasy. I don't think that's likely at all either. I don't think the IRS guys knew so little about what they were doing that they misheard Weiss telling them that he didn't make the decisions.
 
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fskimospy

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I don’t see why previously having worked for Obama is meaningful. The Trump administration clearly considered him supportive of their policies, so much so that they nominated him for the top spot instead of him being IA.

As far as the rest Popehat said he’s seen it many times before, the US attorney tells people it’s not up to him to get them to shut up because they don’t know what they’re talking about.

Also he’s not a ‘podcast guy’, he’s a former AUSA with years and years of federal criminal litigation experience, including things that are exactly like this.
 

brycejones

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I agree that statement was full of WTF and does damage their credibility to an extent. I think they're trying to point out that since he declined to prosecute it was really the DC and California political appointees that made the call when they didn't take the cases. They may have made assumptions that he did ask and was denied and stated them as facts. I do know that they both used inferred in some of their statements though. If Weiss was telling them one thing and another was true it's hard for me to decide the Whistleblowers were just blatantly lying though.

He hasn't perjured himself at all is the thing. He's been very careful what he has said to congress at least. It's misleading but it's not factually incorrect if Garland did tell him that he would support special counsel status if he asked. He had ultimate authority, or authority to if he wanted to prosecute if no one else would in those states. He just decided not to use it. It's only a potential lie when you compare it to what he told the investigators. Maybe Garland told him that and he was informally told to not actually ask for the status and run the case up the normal channels. He's been too narrow and specific with the two letters so far. If he'd just come out and say I had the authority, I decided not to use it and no one coerced me into that then I think it would probably put the issue to rest. He hasn't though, why?

The podcast guy your basing you're opinion on even said it's no big deal if he lied to the investigators, that it would go nowhere. So in terms of culpability if he did lie to them it's a non issue. I don't really know what to think. But there seems to be very credible evidence now that he did say he "is not the deciding person." You can say it makes no sense, and I agree. But I believe that email is a correct summary of what the IRS agents were told in that meeting.

I think it's possible you are correct that they were just being too aggressive, or at least too aggressive for Weiss' tastes. It's actually kind of where I expected this to start leading the more I've thought about it. Weiss has been pointed out as the Trump appointee with the ultimate authority, and since he declined to prosecute the other charges there's nothing to talk about. I mean he at least tried to get California and DC to prosecute on their ends. In a small state like Delaware where Biden has been in politics for 40 years I think I'd be hesitant to rock the boat too. It's the type of place that both sides of the political spectrum are actually not that far apart. He did what he needed to clear his conscious and he's going to call it a day. I think if that was the case though he should have come out to begin with saying he had the ultimate authority and he was using that authority when he decided not to ask for special counsel status.

Everyone keeps saying, well he's a Trump appointee so it makes no sense!
From a reuters article.
"Weiss was nominated to be U.S. attorney in Delaware by Trump in 2018 with the support of Delaware’s two Democratic U.S. senators. He previously served as the top deputy in the office and was interim U.S. attorney during the early years of the 2009-2017 Obama administration."


Like I said, he likely hasn't perjured himself at all yet. Even if he has I think it would be hard to prove now with that explanation. If you assume he wasn't going to stick his neck out in the first place it does make sense. Unless there's some smoking gun document or witness that comes out from the DoJ I don't think we'll ever know for sure. Your magical claim seems to involve that email and the meeting being entirely made up fantasy. I don't think that's likely at all either. I don't think the IRS guys knew so little about what they were doing that they misheard Weiss telling them that he didn't make the decisions.
The hopium is strong
 
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