Hunting Hitler on History

Charmonium

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Anyone else watching this? The third episode was this past week and it's pretty interesting. It's based on hundreds of pages of FBI documents that were declassified in 2014. It appears that the FBI was investigating Hitler's movements in Argentina years after the war.
 

alien42

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i watched them earlier this week and was pleasantly surprised considering i don't typically enjoy these types of shows. the remains of the three buildings they found in the middle of the jungle were pretty impressive and definitely connected to someone high up in the Nazi organization.

here is that episode streaming for free - http://www.history.com/shows/hunting-hitler/videos/secret-nazi-lair
 
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Genx87

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I have seen a couple documentaries on the possibility Hitler managed to make it into Argentina and live into the 1960s. Supposedly staff at some hotel run by Nazi sympathizers would see an old man that looked like Hitler come into the Hotel every once and awhile.

I suppose it is possible. But I doubt it due to the witness testimony about Hitler declaring he is going to commit suicide and the subsequent burning of the bodies.

One thing that is confirmed. The body of Hitler the Soviets captured was not Hitler. Confirmed via DNA testing.
 

z1ggy

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Interesting, if the FBI thought he was alive, that sounds fairly credible.
 

Thump553

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I usually pass up the bogus history/aliens crap they run on the History Channel. As I recall there was very solid proof that Hitler committed suicide and the body burnt in his bunker-how do they explain that away? The usual conspiracy by entrenched powers explanation?

IMO probably the biggest disappointment when I got cable was actually seeing what ran on The History Channel.
 

alien42

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As I recall there was very solid proof that Hitler committed suicide and the body burnt in his bunker-how do they explain that away? The usual conspiracy by entrenched powers explanation?

if i remember correctly, no one who was there actually saw the bodies. all the first hand testimonies say the bodies were already wrapped in fabric and no one bothered to unwrap the fabric to verify.
 

Charmonium

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I don't normally like conspiracy type shows but this one seems to make sense. Apparently there was already a significant German community in Argentina even before the war. So it's not like they just picked someplace at random. And it's clear from the first 2 episodes that the Nazi's had influence in certain parts of the country.

And in the latest episode, they show that there is a tunnel leading from the bunker to an airport. That tunnel is now used as a subway line. And it looks like there was another tunnel that was bricked over leading from the subway tunnel to the airport building.

There is also documentation showing that about 16 planes I think left Templhof airport on April 21st or thereabouts which was before the Russians had taken the center of Berlin.

And the people that they have running and consulting on the project seem more than legit, although offhand I can't remember their qualifications. I know one used to be a commander in the Marshall service for example.
 

OutHouse

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I usually pass up the bogus history/aliens crap they run on the History Channel. As I recall there was very solid proof that Hitler committed suicide and the body burnt in his bunker-how do they explain that away? The usual conspiracy by entrenched powers explanation?

IMO probably the biggest disappointment when I got cable was actually seeing what ran on The History Channel.

it has been proven by DNA that the body the Russians recovered outside the bunker WAS NOT Hitler.
 

OutHouse

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And the people that they have running and consulting on the project seem more than legit, although offhand I can't remember their qualifications. I know one used to be a commander in the Marshall service for example.

yea, that alone adds a bit more legitimately to the show. that guy is the real deal, they are working it with real federal law enforcement investigators that hunted down really bad people. and working with declassified info that the FBI had gathered.
 
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Bacstar

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Hmmm...may have to watch this now. When I saw the previews, I was blowing it off as another Geraldo Rivera type show.
 

IronWing

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Supposedly staff at some hotel run by Nazi sympathizers would see an old man that looked like Hitler come into the Hotel every once and awhile.
Everything we know about Hitler suggests that if he made it to Argentina there ain't no way he would keep a low profile. To me, it is implausible that a man would go from megalomaniac dictator to hide in obscurity without blowing his own cover.
 

Charmonium

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Everything we know about Hitler suggests that if he made it to Argentina there ain't no way he would keep a low profile. To me, it is implausible that a man would go from megalomaniac dictator to hide in obscurity without blowing his own cover.
IDK. Maybe not. Remember that Hitler inspired mindless loyalty in many of his followers. It's not unreasonable to think that he could have used such people to carry out his orders. After all, it wasn't Hitler who personally killed people in the death camps. It was people who believed in him.

And in terms of trying to regain power, isn't Hitler believed to have squirreled away hundreds of millions in stolen gold, gems, art, etc.? If he managed to escape, that means he had an escape plan and that plan no doubt would have included not only bringing people with him that he trusted but also portable wealth to use in creating a new base of operation.

I think the real problem for Hitler after the war was the Marshall Plan. Hitler probably expected that Germany would be plunged into another depression like the one after WWI and he was relying on that to rebuild his base in Germany.
 

lxskllr

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You guys almost have me convinced. I like a good conspiracy theory, but it needs to be plausible. Sounds like this is better than average.
 

BUTCH1

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I don't normally like conspiracy type shows but this one seems to make sense. Apparently there was already a significant German community in Argentina even before the war. So it's not like they just picked someplace at random. And it's clear from the first 2 episodes that the Nazi's had influence in certain parts of the country.

And in the latest episode, they show that there is a tunnel leading from the bunker to an airport. That tunnel is now used as a subway line. And it looks like there was another tunnel that was bricked over leading from the subway tunnel to the airport building.

There is also documentation showing that about 16 planes I think left Templhof airport on April 21st or thereabouts which was before the Russians had taken the center of Berlin.

And the people that they have running and consulting on the project seem more than legit, although offhand I can't remember their qualifications. I know one used to be a commander in the Marshall service for example.

Thing is though I don't think there were any aircraft that could fly that far. Berlin-South America is a long time in the air in a propeller driven airplane and I don't know of any that could manage the 7,000+ miles so the question shifts to what type of transportation was used?.
 

OutHouse

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Thing is though I don't think there were any aircraft that could fly that far. Berlin-South America is a long time in the air in a propeller driven airplane and I don't know of any that could manage the 7,000+ miles so the question shifts to what type of transportation was used?.

Submarine. that was the easy part.

the hard part to explain is how he got out of Berlin with the red army on his heels. then to the canary islands to get on the sub.

if Mengele, Eichmann and Barbie can hide out in Argentina for a long time its plausible that Hitler was able to as well.
 
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Charmonium

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the hard part to explain is how he got out of Berlin with the red army on his heels.
They covered that in the last episode. Hitler built an extensive tunnel system under Berlin with multiple layers. The easiest way to get out of Berlin once the Red Army had it encircled was by air. They mention some other Nazi commander who was flown out by a female test pilot. Don't remember her name.

Anyway, one possible route to the air field or really airport since the building there was the second largest in the world when it was built, was the subway tunnel I mentioned earlier. That goes from the bunker to about 300 yards from the building. Then they found another tunnel that had been bricked up that ran from the airport about half or 2/3 of the way to the subway tunnel.
 

BUTCH1

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Submarine. that was the easy part.

the hard part to explain is how he got out of Berlin with the red army on his heels. then to the canary islands to get on the sub.

if Mengele, Eichmann and Barbie can hide out in Argentina for a long time its plausible that Hitler was able to as well.

Yea, that makes sense. the type 9 had a 13,000 mile range and the waters he would have traveled through were low-priority for sub-hunting aircraft during the end of the war. U234 (a type 9)was on it's way to Japan as it was nearing the end of the European victory. It's captain, (having heard of Germany's surrender on the radio) wound up surrendering to US forces and the sub was brought to Portsmouth NH where it was learned it had a complete Me-262 plans for different weapons and 1,200lbs of Uranium oxide which was used in the effort to make the bombs to use on Japan. talk about irony!.
 

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it has been proven by DNA that the body the Russians recovered outside the bunker WAS NOT Hitler.

They dug up the bodies of 11 people that were in the bunker. The items they tested were not Hitler. But they could not confirm that the pieces tested were definitely from the body they thought was Hitler.
 

norseamd

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Has Tim Kennedy done a HAHO infil drop at night into a swamp with SCUBA gear, crawled through thornbrush infested with poisonous snakes and bugs, snapped a few sentry necks, and then planted C4 under a generals office, slinked away, and then made general go sky high yet?
 
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