Hurricane Gustav = Talking Points for Obama

SlingXShot

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If the weather folks say what they say and goes into the gulf and hitting new orleans.

Obama will have two talking points.

1. Gas prices will probably go up. All those oil rigs...are offshore drilling. Obama can bring up how dangerous it is to have offshore drilling.
2. New Orleans.. Obama went to new orleans for katrina. McCain was on vacation.
3. Bad for GOP convention, since it might divert attention ...

I wonder if this will be similar to what happened in Georgia. And McCain had many talking points that week.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: SlingXShot
If the weather folks say what they say and goes into the gulf and hitting new orleans.

Obama will have two talking points.

1. Gas prices will probably go up. All those oil rigs...are offshore drilling.

Obama can bring up how dangerous it is to have offshore drilling.

2. New Orleans.. Obama went to new orleans for katrina. McCain was on vacation.

3. Bad for GOP convention, since it might divert attention ...

I wonder if this will be similar to what happened in Georgia. And McCain had many talking points that week.

Dangerous for who? The storm?

Was McCain or Obama the President?

Divert attention from what?
 

Genx87

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Katrina was bigger than this thing and we didnt see any meaningful damage to the rigs in the Gulf. I would expect the same from this storm.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: SlingXShot
If the weather folks say what they say and goes into the gulf and hitting new orleans.

Obama will have two talking points.

1. Gas prices will probably go up. All those oil rigs...are offshore drilling. Obama can bring up how dangerous it is to have offshore drilling.
2. New Orleans.. Obama went to new orleans for katrina. McCain was on vacation.
3. Bad for GOP convention, since it might divert attention ...

I wonder if this will be similar to what happened in Georgia. And McCain had many talking points that week.

BHL was not in New Orleans for Katrina.
 

QED

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: SlingXShot
If the weather folks say what they say and goes into the gulf and hitting new orleans.

Obama will have two talking points.

1. Gas prices will probably go up. All those oil rigs...are offshore drilling. Obama can bring up how dangerous it is to have offshore drilling.
2. New Orleans.. Obama went to new orleans for katrina. McCain was on vacation.
3. Bad for GOP convention, since it might divert attention ...

I wonder if this will be similar to what happened in Georgia. And McCain had many talking points that week.

BHL was not in New Orleans for Katrina.

OK, I have to ask. Who exactly is BHL? Did I miss the news article where Obama changed his last name to "Larry" or something?
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: QED
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: SlingXShot
If the weather folks say what they say and goes into the gulf and hitting new orleans.

Obama will have two talking points.

1. Gas prices will probably go up. All those oil rigs...are offshore drilling. Obama can bring up how dangerous it is to have offshore drilling.
2. New Orleans.. Obama went to new orleans for katrina. McCain was on vacation.
3. Bad for GOP convention, since it might divert attention ...

I wonder if this will be similar to what happened in Georgia. And McCain had many talking points that week.

BHL was not in New Orleans for Katrina.

OK, I have to ask. Who exactly is BHL? Did I miss the news article where Obama changed his last name to "Larry" or something?

the L and O keys are awfully close to eachother...
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Katrina was bigger than this thing and we didnt see any meaningful damage to the rigs in the Gulf.

I would expect the same from this storm.

What?

There should be a law against posting without data to back up garbage:

8-28-2008 Gulf oil rigs face storm test

With Tropical Storm Gustav setting its sights on the Gulf of Mexico, oil facilities in the region are facing their first major threat since 2005,

when Hurricanes Rita and Katrina knocked out nearly every barrel of oil production and sent prices soaring to then-record levels.

At 1.3 million barrels a day, the Gulf is home to over a quarter of the oil produced in the United States, according to the Energy Information Administration. Plus, it accounts for over 10% of the country's natural gas production.

When Hurricane Katrina roared through as a Category 5 storm in late August 2005, it ripped up pipelines and battered production platforms through out most of the Gulf.

But more than offshore oil platforms are at risk.

Upon making landfall, even as a Category 3, Katrina caused considerable damage to the many refineries in the region. It also disrupted crude imports - the Gulf of Mexico houses the country's only deep water port for imported oil.

As a result of all the disruptions, gasoline prices surged.

Gas went from a national average of $2.62 a gallon at the end of August to over $3.08 a gallon week later, a nearly 18% jump.

A similar surge now would send gas prices to nearly $4.40 a gallon, well past the previous record of $4.11 a gallon set in July and erasing all the declines seen over the last few weeks as traders talked of falling demand and a slowing economy.

But this time around, if Gustav intensifies and heads into the Gulf as expected, experts say reinforcements have made production far less vulnerable than it was three years ago.

Drilling rigs and production platforms moored to sea floor in the Gulf had been attached with eight lines, and are now required to be moored with 12 to 16 lines.

New rigs were built higher above the water, and old rigs were strengthened, according to Andy Radford, a policy advisor at the American Petroleum Institute.

And pipelines, which carry most of the oil and gas from the production platforms to the shore, now have to be buried deeper beneath the sea floor, said Barbara Shook, a Houston-based analyst with the Energy Intelligence Group.

"The industry is probably in the best shape it's ever been in because of what they've learned over the last few years," said Shook.

Anyone who buys gasoline better hope so.

 

Fern

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Originally posted by: SlingXShot
If the weather folks say what they say and goes into the gulf and hitting new orleans.

Obama will have two talking points.

1. Gas prices will probably go up. All those oil rigs...are offshore drilling. Obama can bring up how dangerous it is to have offshore drilling.

Yeah, that's a great idea.

When people are paying even higher prices they really wanna hear about how bad more drilling is.

Oh, and don't worry about Louisianna. They've got a Repub governor now instead of that incompetent bimbo Dem loser. IIRC, it's still the same mayor but maybe he can get it right this time.

Fern
 

woodie1

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With the warm Gulf waters Gus has a good chance to become as dangerous as Katrina. The big question is where along the Gulf Coast will he strike. Oil prices are bound to reflect his presence.
 

nageov3t

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re: drilling, maybe it's an argument as to why we should have more off-shore rigs in less hurricane-prone regions of the country like the NE/mid-atlantic or Pac NW coasts.

wait, sorry, I'm supposed to tow the democratic line... states rights are bad, mmkay?
 

cubeless

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: SlingXShot
If the weather folks say what they say and goes into the gulf and hitting new orleans.

Obama will have two talking points.

1. Gas prices will probably go up. All those oil rigs...are offshore drilling. Obama can bring up how dangerous it is to have offshore drilling.

Yeah, that's a great idea.

When people are paying even higher prices they really wanna hear about how bad more drilling is.

Oh, and don't worry about Louisianna. They've got a Repub governor now instead of that incompetent bimbo Dem loser. IIRC, it's still the same mayor but maybe he can get it right this time.

Fern

feeling woozie... can't figure out if fern is being sarcastic anymore... must try to focus...
 

Lemon law

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Nov 6, 2005
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If this hits New Orleans and the levies GWB&co failed to fix fail again, the GOP is going to be in deep do do as they get roundly denounced.

I was on vacation in Minnesota when Katrina hit, overnight gas went from $2.40 to $3.60. Just going home hit my wallet unexpectedly hard.
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Genx87
Katrina was bigger than this thing and we didnt see any meaningful damage to the rigs in the Gulf.

I would expect the same from this storm.

What?

There should be a law against posting without data to back up garbage:

8-28-2008 Gulf oil rigs face storm test

With Tropical Storm Gustav setting its sights on the Gulf of Mexico, oil facilities in the region are facing their first major threat since 2005,

when Hurricanes Rita and Katrina knocked out nearly every barrel of oil production and sent prices soaring to then-record levels.

At 1.3 million barrels a day, the Gulf is home to over a quarter of the oil produced in the United States, according to the Energy Information Administration. Plus, it accounts for over 10% of the country's natural gas production.

When Hurricane Katrina roared through as a Category 5 storm in late August 2005, it ripped up pipelines and battered production platforms through out most of the Gulf.

But more than offshore oil platforms are at risk.

Upon making landfall, even as a Category 3, Katrina caused considerable damage to the many refineries in the region. It also disrupted crude imports - the Gulf of Mexico houses the country's only deep water port for imported oil.

As a result of all the disruptions, gasoline prices surged.

Gas went from a national average of $2.62 a gallon at the end of August to over $3.08 a gallon week later, a nearly 18% jump.

A similar surge now would send gas prices to nearly $4.40 a gallon, well past the previous record of $4.11 a gallon set in July and erasing all the declines seen over the last few weeks as traders talked of falling demand and a slowing economy.

But this time around, if Gustav intensifies and heads into the Gulf as expected, experts say reinforcements have made production far less vulnerable than it was three years ago.

Drilling rigs and production platforms moored to sea floor in the Gulf had been attached with eight lines, and are now required to be moored with 12 to 16 lines.

New rigs were built higher above the water, and old rigs were strengthened, according to Andy Radford, a policy advisor at the American Petroleum Institute.

And pipelines, which carry most of the oil and gas from the production platforms to the shore, now have to be buried deeper beneath the sea floor, said Barbara Shook, a Houston-based analyst with the Energy Intelligence Group.

"The industry is probably in the best shape it's ever been in because of what they've learned over the last few years," said Shook.

Anyone who buys gasoline better hope so.

Yes, it damaged a handful of older production platforms and pipelines. You need to put it in perspective though. Take a look at how many platforms/rigs/miles of pipelines there are in the region that got hit. A very very small percentage took significant damage.

Funny thing is, still no one is talking about the very real threat of the biggest crisis we have seen in a LONG time. The forecasted track isn't far from Port Fourchon. If Port Fourchon sustains significant damage then we will be wild and truly fucked.

Port Fourchon is where we receive the vast majority of the deep water oil tankers that export oil/petrochemicals to the US. We don't have a replacement. NONE. So if it goes down we lose roughly 18% of our imported oil and no telling how much of our domestic production is transported and serviced through there. We are not talking about $10 a gallon gas we are talking about insanely serious gas shortages.

Sadly, it seems no one else wants to listen to us scream about exactly how vulnerable the country is. I hope that we don't find out but if we do, it will be a very very hard lesson.
 

Lemon law

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Latest data is that Gustav will strengthen to Hurricane force tomorrow and hit the US on Tuesday. My guess is that there are too many variables to predict much now, and the conclusions will be obvious 24 hours or so after it hits. For the sake of the people involved, I hope damage is minimal. And there may be more storms coming as the hurricane season is just starting.
 

Queasy

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1) Offshore drilling is not dangerous. Susceptible to disruption because so much is concentrated in the Gulf? Yes. However, open up the California, Atlantic, and Alaskan coasts and that becomes less of an issue.

Oil platforms are shut down and the pipes capped at the seabed to prevent spillage. Despite dozens of drilling rigs being destroyed and damaged by Katrina and Rita, the environmental impact from off-shore rigs was effectively nil. More oil is seeped naturally from the sea floor than is leaked from oil rigs.

2) no

3) Depends on the strength and the impact of Gustav when it hits shore but it is a possibility.
 

Kabob

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Shhh, don't let everyone know that all this is caused by Bush's weather machine...
 

woodie1

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Originally posted by: kabob983
Shhh, don't let everyone know that all this is caused by Bush's weather machine...

lol - I think that horse has already left the gate.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Darwin333

Yes, it damaged a handful of older production platforms and pipelines. You need to put it in perspective though. Take a look at how many platforms/rigs/miles of pipelines there are in the region that got hit. A very very small percentage took significant damage.

Funny thing is, still no one is talking about the very real threat of the biggest crisis we have seen in a LONG time.

The forecasted track isn't far from Port Fourchon.

If Port Fourchon sustains significant damage then we will be wild and truly fucked.

Port Fourchon is where we receive the vast majority of the deep water oil tankers that export oil/petrochemicals to the US. We don't have a replacement. NONE. So if it goes down we lose roughly 18% of our imported oil and no telling how much of our domestic production is transported and serviced through there. We are not talking about $10 a gallon gas we are talking about insanely serious gas shortages.

Sadly, it seems no one else wants to listen to us scream about exactly how vulnerable the country is. I hope that we don't find out but if we do, it will be a very very hard lesson.

Sounds like mega profit to me.
 
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