Hurricane Harvey Heading for Texas...

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SketchMaster

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Seeing that a lot of the models have Harvey hooking back over water, probably picking up some strength, then hitting Houston head on.
Looking at the same thing... Really getting worried for everyone over there. Austin has been getting mostly light rain, but even we are starting to get some flooding issues.
 

Paratus

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Ahhh good ol' Houston with such fine people that take the opportunity of people suffering to loot stores. Stay classy you piece of shit city.

Update from my side: Looks like we finally are at a pause for the day, it hasn't rained the last 4 hours or so. Just hoping that space is made for us to handle more inevitable rain in the next 2 days

Houston had a pretty large influx of New Orleaners, back in the day. There's your problem.

Looks like the eastern half of Houston is in for a respite from the deluge.

The respite has been good. Our lake continued to drain.

We were able to get out and drop off some supplies to our elementary school where they were taking people who had been flooded out of their homes. The roads were surprisingly passable although some intersections were still flooded.
 

ViRGE

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Glad to hear you're okay, Paratus.

Seeing that a lot of the models have Harvey hooking back over water, probably picking up some strength, then hitting Houston head on.
That would probably be an improvement for Houston. The biggest risk with this storm is the flooding, not the winds. So whoever is on that brutal east side of the storm is the one getting the stuffing knocked out of them. The center of circulation, by contrast, is not nearly as active.
 
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Paratus

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Global warming is occurring to some degree, but that is partly a normal occurrence and in part, due to the depletion of the rain forest, without replanting new trees. That is the biggest reason the ecosystem is getting a bit out of whack.

Well what I'm talking about is the Gulf of Mexico water temperatures:


Harvey went right up that dark red on the western side of the gulf.

The gulf water temperature is higher than it "should" be due to ocean warming over the last 40 years:


(Fun fact: 30x10^22 joules of energy could run your average hurricane for ~17 years straight)

Some of those joules are warming the gulf.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science...ate-change-intensify-hurricane-harvey/538158/

Warmer water from climate change causes more powerful hurricanes

Now when we look at natural forcings that maybe increasing global temperatures they show as roughly neutral.


Finally, while burning the rainforests contributes to warming the bulk is caused by fossil fuels. CO2 from burning vegetation has a bit of radioactive Carbon 14 in it while fossil fuels are so old they do not. When you take the ratio of CO2 with C14 to that without it shows the bulk of CO2 is from fossil fuels as is the warming it causes.

This is the second storm (Allison was the first), in 16 years to sit and dump massive amounts of rain on Houston. City planners and managers need to start taking these excessively powerful storms into account because they will become somewhat more common.
 
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Darwin333

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Guess it makes sense especially for small businesses, it's probably not worth for them to try to rebuild and restart everything.

Even if they do rebuild relatively few companies can afford to pay their employees during the rebuilding phase when the company has no revenue.

I guess it really depends on the job too, like at my job if there was a storm like that it would be all hands on deck to try to get the telecommunication system back up so even office workers would probably be doing outside work. Though there would be lot of work to do inside the CO too. Damn, can't even imagine how crazy it would get.

Yes it does, I work in roofing and storms like this in my area are serious "go time". I worked 20 hour days estimating and managing projects after Katrina for at least a month before I took a day off. It was brutal and the living conditions sucked balls brutal but I did make one hell of a bonus that year so I got paid for it.

But yeah anything like stores or service companies etc that arn't critical would probably just close.

Even if they desperately want to reopen, think of the sheer number of people and businesses demanding the limited resources required to get them back up and running. Obviously it depends on the damage but if you got pretty serious flooding it's usually not something that you can quickly do yourself.
 

Paratus

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Ouch.

They are going to drain Addicks reservoir into buffalo bayou at 2:00 AM this morning. This will put another couple of feet into the bayou.

If they don't, they are worried about over topping the reservoir.

Hope the people in the vicinity of buffalo bayou are ready.
 

BUTCH1

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Quote "Well what I'm talking about is the Gulf of Mexico water temperatures"

Yup. This storm exploding from a weakly organized TS into a cat 4 mirrors the hurricane activity weather in the Gulf or Atlantic. Matthew underwent similar rapid intensification last year, and go back to 1999 to Floyd and you see a pattern, bigger storm systems, more rapid intensification again+again. Hurricanes, (or cyclones), are the planet's temperature "equalization" mechanism, too much heat around the equator is dissipated in the form of these storms.
 

spacejamz

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This topic of whether mandatory evacuations in Houston should be have done is total garbage...everyone had the same advanced warning to make their decisions...blaming the mayor for not forcing them to leave is absolutely ridiculous. Where was he going to tell them to evacuate to? The last time they did that, thousands were stuck on freeways for over 10-15 hours running out of gas (my cousins were stuck in that mess when they were trying to come up to stay with me in Dallas)...whose fault would it be if they evacuated to a location that get flooded out?
 

ElFenix

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moar rain!


This topic of whether mandatory evacuations in Houston should be have done is total garbage...everyone had the same advanced warning to make their decisions...blaming the mayor for not forcing them to leave is absolutely ridiculous. Where was he going to tell them to evacuate to? The last time they did that, thousands were stuck on freeways for over 10-15 hours running out of gas (my cousins were stuck in that mess when they were trying to come up to stay with me in Dallas)...whose fault would it be if they evacuated to a location that get flooded out?
yup, no one who was here and saw that shit show would think to order an evacuation. evacuations are for coastal areas where wind and storm surge are going to knock over structures.
 

Paratus

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This topic of whether mandatory evacuations in Houston should be have done is total garbage...everyone had the same advanced warning to make their decisions...blaming the mayor for not forcing them to leave is absolutely ridiculous. Where was he going to tell them to evacuate to? The last time they did that, thousands were stuck on freeways for over 10-15 hours running out of gas (my cousins were stuck in that mess when they were trying to come up to stay with me in Dallas)...whose fault would it be if they evacuated to a location that get flooded out?

Yes. Harvey is hitting the entire greater metro area. Evacuation should never have been an option. There were quite a few fatalities during the Rita evacuation. Maybe a targeted evacuation of particularly vulnerable people but even then....

I'll say your cousins did ok because folks I knew took about 40 hours to get to Dallas. Hell it took us 14 hours to get to San Antonio. It was not a great feeling being stuck in a traffic jam with no way out while a Cat 5 barrels down at you.
 

ImpulsE69

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My grandmother and cousins places both were completely wiped out. :/

Most of my family lives down in Corpus and Houston. Everyone's okay though.
 

MetalMat

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This topic of whether mandatory evacuations in Houston should be have done is total garbage...everyone had the same advanced warning to make their decisions...blaming the mayor for not forcing them to leave is absolutely ridiculous. Where was he going to tell them to evacuate to? The last time they did that, thousands were stuck on freeways for over 10-15 hours running out of gas (my cousins were stuck in that mess when they were trying to come up to stay with me in Dallas)...whose fault would it be if they evacuated to a location that get flooded out?

Exactly. Putting a huge city like Houston on mandatory evacuation would have caused much more pandemonium than what is currently going on.
 

Paratus

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moar rain!



yup, no one who was here and saw that shit show would think to order an evacuation. evacuations are for coastal areas where wind and storm surge are going to knock over structures.

It's coming down at fucking 11in/hr. Luckily I don't think it will last super long.

19.8 today so far
 

spacejamz

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Exactly. Putting a huge city like Houston on mandatory evacuation would have caused much more pandemonium than what is currently going on.

imagine how much looting would happen if there were mandatory evacuations...
 
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Ouch.

They are going to drain Addicks reservoir into buffalo bayou at 2:00 AM this morning. This will put another couple of feet into the bayou.

If they don't, they are worried about over topping the reservoir.

Hope the people in the vicinity of buffalo bayou are ready.

Will that affect us at all? Or is that too far away from us near clear lake?
 
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Exactly. Putting a huge city like Houston on mandatory evacuation would have caused much more pandemonium than what is currently going on.

People are naturally retarded - Houston holds that to a high standard. The number of people calling 911 to say "OMG MY HOUSE IS FLOODING"!!one!" is ridiculous. The fuck do you want 911 to do? Come to your house and bring buckets?
 

local

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People are naturally retarded - Houston holds that to a high standard. The number of people calling 911 to say "OMG MY HOUSE IS FLOODING"!!one!" is ridiculous. The fuck do you want 911 to do? Come to your house and bring buckets?

City says to stay in your home.
Near biblical rains start happening.
Now you are stuck in your home due to the road being flooded.
Rains keep falling.
Now water is coming in your home and there is no way to leave.

Of course you call for help from the people who have the job to rescue people.
 

Svnla

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Saw on the news earlier today of a picture of some old folks sitting in their chairs at a retirement home and the water was up to their hips.
 
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City says to stay in your home.
Near biblical rains start happening.
Now you are stuck in your home due to the road being flooded.
Rains keep falling.
Now water is coming in your home and there is no way to leave.

Of course you call for help from the people who have the job to rescue people.

If you need to be rescued, sure. If you have water at your ankles, you're not in any danger.
 

local

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If you need to be rescued, sure. If you have water at your ankles, you're not in any danger.

Pretty sure you wouldn't want to wait and see when you don't know when it will stop rising and you know it could take hours for anyone to respond.
 

Capt Caveman

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This topic of whether mandatory evacuations in Houston should be have done is total garbage...everyone had the same advanced warning to make their decisions...blaming the mayor for not forcing them to leave is absolutely ridiculous. Where was he going to tell them to evacuate to? The last time they did that, thousands were stuck on freeways for over 10-15 hours running out of gas (my cousins were stuck in that mess when they were trying to come up to stay with me in Dallas)...whose fault would it be if they evacuated to a location that get flooded out?

May have helped these senior citizens

 

ElFenix

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People are naturally retarded - Houston holds that to a high standard. The number of people calling 911 to say "OMG MY HOUSE IS FLOODING"!!one!" is ridiculous. The fuck do you want 911 to do? Come to your house and bring buckets?
i really wish we had negs here. fuck off.
 
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