Hurricane Harvey Heading for Texas...

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I know it is a bit selfish to say this, but I guess this will mean pricing on airfares will go up. Makes no difference if I have already booked as the airlines will just resell my ticketed seats to someone else and have me step off the plane in favor of resold seats that got 2X to 200 Million X times what I might have paid for.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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To be fair, some of the price jumps may have been done precisely to discourage people hoarding it. You're far less likely to buy up 20 barrels-full for your Canyonaro 9000 if it jumped 20% overnight. This keeps it in the station for people that actually need it, in a time when a) it's needed more than ever, and b) resupplies may be very limited due to inaccessibility of roads, and refineries going dark.
 

ViRGE

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I thought the stockpile was strictly oil? Interesting if it also includes gas - but can't gas go bad overtime from not being used?
I should rephrase that, that's the US gas inventory, not a separate stockpile. The US stockpiles crude, but not refined products.

Anyhow, the point is that there's hundreds of millions of barrels of gas around the country right now, while demand is only slightly outpacing current refining capacity (by about 2M barrels/day). So nationally there is more than enough inventory to absorb the hit with little trouble.

As for gas going bad, since this is commercial inventory, it is constantly cycled through.
 

Meghan54

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So sick of seeing all these Captain hindsight experts whining about the chemical company not preparing for such a thing. Who the fuck can prepare for something like this? Must be nice sitting on your fat ass safe in your house, judging something that would have been just fine for the recorded severe weather in the area.

Texas Republicans Helped Chemical Plant That Exploded Lobby Against Safety Rules

"The French company that says its Houston-area chemical plant is spewing "noxious" smoke — and may explode — successfully pressed federal regulators to delay new regulations designed to improve safety procedures at chemical plants, according to federal records reviewed by International Business Times. The rules, which were set to go into effect this year, were halted by the Trump administration after a furious lobbying campaign by plant owner Arkema and its affiliated trade association, the American Chemistry Council, which represents a chemical industry that has poured tens of millions of dollars into federal elections.

"The effort to stop the chemical plant safety rules was backed by top Texas Republican lawmakers, who have received big campaign donations from chemical industry donors."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/te...by-against-safety-rules/ar-AAr3cps?li=BBnb7Kz
 
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K1052

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I should rephrase that, that's the US gas inventory, not a separate stockpile. The US stockpiles crude, but not refined products.

Anyhow, the point is that there's hundreds of millions of barrels of gas around the country right now, while demand is only slightly outpacing current refining capacity (by about 2M barrels/day). So nationally there is more than enough inventory to absorb the hit with little trouble.

As for gas going bad, since this is commercial inventory, it is constantly cycled through.

The SPR is crude only but after Sandy the government created the Northeast Gasoline Supply Reserve after it was made clear that the NE was more vulnerable to a major supply interruption than other parts of the country. The reserve contains 1M barrels of gasoline spread over three sites in the NE. FWIW the Trump budget proposes liquidating this stockpile as the administration considers it surplus...suspecting Congress isn't going to be a fan of that idea.
 

highland145

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To be fair, some of the price jumps may have been done precisely to discourage people hoarding it. You're far less likely to buy up 20 barrels-full for your Canyonaro 9000 if it jumped 20% overnight. This keeps it in the station for people that actually need it, in a time when a) it's needed more than ever, and b) resupplies may be very limited due to inaccessibility of roads, and refineries going dark.
Doubtful that the store owners aren't going to pocket the up charge.
 

Svnla

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Gas prices around here are up again. The cheapest price is $2.09 (from $2.07 yesterday) and climbing. The highest price is $2.44.
 

bruceb

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When Sandy hit New Jersey, we lost AC Power due to about 3 power lines coming down from the high wind. Needless to say it took forever to get a crew up there to put the wires back up. Landline telephone and DSL internet stayed up, but Cablevision TV service was down. We did have a generator to run essentials like furnace, refrigerator and some lights and few outlets. So we were able to keep up by computer. Biggest issue was finding a gas station that had both Gas and Electric in order to pump it. We would run the generator all day until about 9PM or so. It used about 4 - 5 gals per day. My next door neighbor did not have a generator, but his house now has a natural gas powered Generac installed.
 
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When Sandy hit New Jersey, we lost AC Power due to about 3 power lines coming down from the high wind. Needless to say it took forever to get a crew up there to put the wires back up. Landline telephone and DSL internet stayed up, but Cablevision TV service was down. We did have a generator to run essentials like furnace, refrigerator and some lights and few outlets. So we were able to keep up by computer. Biggest issue was finding a gas station that had both Gas and Electric in order to pump it. We would run the generator all day until about 9PM or so. It used about 4 - 5 gals per day. My next door neighbor did not have a generator, but his house now has a natural gas powered Generac installed.
After Sandy, my parents were without power for nearly 14 days on LI. Because my dad requires a bi-pap and oxygen concentrator at night, they stayed a few nights with my uncle and a few nights with my grandfather, both of who had power or power restored more quickly. Since that incident, they've had a natural gas generator installed.
 

FeuerFrei

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Ok, Quik Trip halted gas sales at half their 135 locations in DFW in order to reroute supply, so not all the red dots indicate sell through.



only takes a handful of morons on the nightly news to make a mountain out of a molehill...

saw an old guy in a truck filling up five 55-gallon barrels in his bed today. ridiculous
 

local

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It seems like every other truck here in DFW has extra gas cans in the back, idiots. I hope they get stolen. For the first time in the five years I have owned it I am glad that I have a diesel, many stations out of gas still have diesel available and I do enough driving for work that I have to fill up my F250 almost every day.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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It seems like every other truck here in DFW has extra gas cans in the back, idiots. I hope they get stolen. For the first time in the five years I have owned it I am glad that I have a diesel, many stations out of gas still have diesel available and I do enough driving for work that I have to fill up my F250 almost every day.
Irony: Someone burning through ~350gal of diesel a week complaining about the fuel usage of others.
 
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nakedfrog

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That was a bit different, right? Didn't he agree to get off and then changed him mind?
I just meant in the aspect of "here's a really huge news story where the airline said we need people off the plane and we will give them money", when he's saying he's never heard of that being done.
 

NoTine42

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Irony: Someone burning through ~350gal of diesel a week complaining about the fuel usage of others.
Wow, that could be 300-600+ miles/day.
500mi/day would be 150,000/year.

I guess it could mean he uses 51% of his fuel/day and couldn't make it through the next day, but that's still a ton of time spent at gas stations.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Wow, that could be 300-600+ miles/day.
500mi/day would be 150,000/year.

I guess it could mean he uses 51% of his fuel/day and couldn't make it through the next day, but that's still a ton of time spent at gas stations.
Depends on efficiency, if he's hauling around 13000lbs (max rated towing capacity) of pillows, it'll probably get garbage MPG.
 
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Darwin333

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remember that thing we learned some years ago about building super dangerous factories, like uh, nuclear power plants near constant, guaranteed, natural disaster zones like tsunamis and floods?

oh yeah, that thing. What's the deal with humans not learning things?

First of all, just about every area has their own natural disasters. Secondly, you really can't locate most of these petrochemical plants anywhere else since the Louisiana Texas coasts are where the vast majority of our petrochemical infrastructure is and that's not even talking about the massive cost of relocating all of them, think many trillions and a metric fuckton of new pipelines. Lastly, could you imagine the shit storm that would ensue if we tried to open up a bunch of new petrochemical plants in California?

Considering how many petrochemical plants are in the area that was hit by this unprecedented storm, something that no one ever foresaw being THIS bad and exacerbated by development long after the plants were built, it says a lot that there was only one problem at one plant and it was a rather minor one at that. It didn't "explode", there was a non-toxic fire and the fire dept decided to just let it burn itself out.
 

local

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Irony: Someone burning through ~350gal of diesel a week complaining about the fuel usage of others.

These people are filling up extra containers because they think there is a fuel shortage not because they are using it now and only making the problem worse. Irony would be me filling up an extra 200 gallon tank because I thought we would run out of diesel as well.

Wow, that could be 300-600+ miles/day.
500mi/day would be 150,000/year.

I guess it could mean he uses 51% of his fuel/day and couldn't make it through the next day, but that's still a ton of time spent at gas stations.

Been driving about 250 miles a day multiple days a week for the last month, I get about 350 miles per tank.

Depends on efficiency, if he's hauling around 13000lbs (max rated towing capacity) of pillows, it'll probably get garbage MPG.

I am usually hauling nothing and get about 15 mpg.
 
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SketchMaster

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I filled up last Friday before the storm and should have plenty to get through this asshattery.

If not, 90% of my travel needs can be done via bike.
 

Darwin333

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When Sandy hit New Jersey, we lost AC Power due to about 3 power lines coming down from the high wind. Needless to say it took forever to get a crew up there to put the wires back up. Landline telephone and DSL internet stayed up, but Cablevision TV service was down. We did have a generator to run essentials like furnace, refrigerator and some lights and few outlets. So we were able to keep up by computer. Biggest issue was finding a gas station that had both Gas and Electric in order to pump it. We would run the generator all day until about 9PM or so. It used about 4 - 5 gals per day. My next door neighbor did not have a generator, but his house now has a natural gas powered Generac installed.

I have said it many times before and I will say it again. When preparing for a storm most people already have enough food, maybe pick up some water but if you live in a hurricane prone area you should already have at least 3 days of water on hand even if it's just filling up old milk jugs with tap water or even just cleaning and filling your bathtub. Gas is absolute king, stock up on as much as you possibly can. I can't tell you how many people I saw run out and buy a new generator for their house and get a single 5 gallon can of gas for it. I keep at least a hundredish gallons of gas stored during hurricane season and I just rotate it into my truck to keep it fresh. If a storm is heading our way I'll double that. During Katrina I literally had a guy offer to let me bang his wife for a few gallons of gas, was offered gold and all kinds of other stuff. At a time when most people were still eating MRE's I was eating like a king because I was able to fill 2 propane tanks for a guy that was a manager of an apartment complex. All the residents called him to get him to clean out their fridges before the food went bad and he had a genny hooked to his deep freezer so TONS of meat. Not many side dishes but I was a happy sonofa bitch eating steaks, ribs, roast, shrimp, etc instead of more damn MRE's.
 
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