Hurricane Harvey Heading for Texas...

[Svnla]

Gasoline jumped up at least 10 cents per gallon overnight here. From $1.99 to $2.09/$2.11 at the two Shell stations near my house.

I stand correct. The current price (as of 5:30 p.m. today) is $2.24, not $2.09 as of this morning around 8 a.m. A jump of 15 cents in about 8 hours. I am glad that I filled up two days ago.

 

[Paratus]

Just got back from helping a couple of coworkers. It's not good at all.

4ft of flood water through the homes, one guy had a back up of sewage in the shop behind his garage. 5 days of soaking wet carpet and sheet rock and mold starts growing.

Several neighborhoods got it really bad. The one bright point was so many people had come to help at each house in a neighborhood that there was no place to park and the cops were directing traffic.

 

[BUTCH1]

Agree, While you cant plan for everything, at least give critical systems a chance at working by not putting them at the lowest location on the site

http://news.stanford.edu/2016/03/04/fukushima-lessons-ewing-030416/

I don't think that's a valid comparison, 1st off is when a nuclear power plant loses cooling water capability it's MUCH worse than a fire that at worst will burn itself out in a few days. 2nd is that the Fukushima plant was located close to the ocean in an area that is known for earthquakes and resulting tsunami's. While Houston is in an area that can be impacted by hurricanes, Harvey was far from anything typical, (even given the unpredictable nature of hurricane's). The plant might have been designed back when hurricanes didn't morph into hell on earth in 36 hours, this is already going to the most $$ costly storm damage in the history of the US. I guess we should all brace for the inevitable price increases that will soon follow.

 

[chubbyfatazn]

only takes a handful of morons on the nightly news to make a mountain out of a molehill...

saw an old guy in a truck filling up five 55-gallon barrels in his bed today. ridiculous

 

[BUTCH1]

Saw that. Still too early to tell where it's going. I think I'll fill up the generator just in case.

Just checked in with the NOAA site, this has me rather uneasy,
"Irma has become an impressive hurricane," the National Hurricane Center said on Thursday, noting the rapid intensification, and saying "this is a remarkable 50 knot [58 mph] increase from yesterday at this time."
Yikes, 58 MPH increase in ONE F-ing day!, oh, this is also the fastest intensification given the storm's position just off the coast of Africa 2 days ago. No one, and I mean NO ONE could possibly convince me this is NOT related to global warming. Yes, there have been very big, and very strong storms in the past, but they ALL seem to intensify so quickly the last 15 years.

 

[FeuerFrei]

My car's running on empty. I'm going to be hella annoyed if I can't get gasoline or have to pay a stupid price for it. Someone told me there were lines around here.

Shortages would be non-existent if no one panic-bought. Gassholes.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Gas is going up even here in the north. WE HAVE LOT OF OIL IN CANADA STOP PLAYING GAMES! It's ridiculous how these companies take advantage of a disaster to make extra profit. There should be laws against that.

 

[NoTine42]

I don't think that's a valid comparison, 1st off is when a nuclear power plant loses cooling water capability it's MUCH worse than a fire that at worst will burn itself out in a few days. 2nd is that the Fukushima plant was located close to the ocean in an area that is known for earthquakes and resulting tsunami's. While Houston is in an area that can be impacted by hurricanes, Harvey was far from anything typical, (even given the unpredictable nature of hurricane's). The plant might have been designed back when hurricanes didn't morph into hell on earth in 36 hours, this is already going to the most $$ costly storm damage in the history of the US. I guess we should all brace for the inevitable price increases that will soon follow.

If you have to alert authorities and they have to evacuate humans within a 1.5 mile radius of your factory blows up without a functioning cooling system, then don't put the 3rd backup system where it could be easily flooded.

And if you are the plant manager that would have to potentially make that call... start by asking your safety people before there's a disaster.

 

[gorcorps]

So sick of seeing all these Captain hindsight experts whining about the chemical company not preparing for such a thing. Who the fuck can prepare for something like this? Must be nice sitting on your fat ass safe in your house, judging something that would have been just fine for the recorded severe weather in the area.

 

[Svnla]

I stand correct. The current price (as of 5:30 p.m. today) is $2.24, not $2.09 as of this morning around 8 a.m. A jump of 15 cents in about 8 hours. I am glad that I filled up two days ago.

Just drove by the other Shell station about 15 minutes ago. Two days ago, it was $1.99/gal regular unleaded. Now it is $2.25 for the same gasoline.

Looked up on GasBuddies.com and the cheapest was $2.07/gallon around this area.

 

[FeuerFrei]

Empty light was lit, so I filled up for $2.49 here in NE Texas. Maybe 30 cents high, but no problemo. I picked a small Shell station with no room on the lot for lines to form. Someone was filling up their recreational vehicles - an RV and a couple side-by-sides. Really? You wait until there's a run on gas and screw everyone by filling your non-essential vehicles? Thanks pal.
(Ok maybe he lives in his RV.)

Can't really say how high the demand is locally. I didn't drive by any other gas stations. But I was told there were "lines."

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

only takes a handful of morons on the nightly news to make a mountain out of a molehill...

saw an old guy in a truck filling up five 55-gallon barrels in his bed today. ridiculous

Totally fucking agree....VERY few people have use for gasoline right now - only those that have a job they can actually go to right now, and those that are out volunteering/helping. I bet the majority filling up are just retards in tin-foil hats that sit around all-day.

 

[local]

Totally fucking agree....VERY few people have use for gasoline right now - only those that have a job they can actually go to right now, and those that are out volunteering/helping. I bet the majority filling up are just retards in tin-foil hats that sit around all-day.

You know that is a map of DFW right? Still several million of us using gas daily here. But you are right that it is the idiots thinking the gas is running out that are making the gas run out. I was up near the OK border today and they were doing it too even though they get their gas from OK not the coast.

 

[highland145]

Just got back from helping a couple of coworkers. It's not good at all.

4ft of flood water through the homes, one guy had a back up of sewage in the shop behind his garage. 5 days of soaking wet carpet and sheet rock and mold starts growing.

Several neighborhoods got it really bad. The one bright point was so many people had come to help at each house in a neighborhood that there was no place to park and the cops were directing traffic.

We, AT, will be really happy to know what charities you see that are doing their jobs.

 

[chubbyfatazn]

Totally fucking agree....VERY few people have use for gasoline right now - only those that have a job they can actually go to right now, and those that are out volunteering/helping. I bet the majority filling up are just retards in tin-foil hats that sit around all-day.

Should've clarified - that's an availability map for the DFW region. Having lived in the area for 14 years yeah, there's lots of driving involved, but probably not terribly different from a normal day in Houston

Last night the local ABC affiliate (and the Fox/NBC affiliates as well) ran stories that started off with some variation of "You may want to fill up your gas tank while you can, some DFW stations may run out of gas this Labor Day weekend." Granted, they did say "some" but of course you have dumbasses who'll just ignore that word and go apeshit... leading to morons like this guy:

Seriously? That much gas is gonna last you way longer than this "shortage" will last you stupid fuck

 

[LightningZ71]

I saw up thread that someone was saying that there is plenty of oil. That's true. The problem isn't oil, its refined products like Gasoline, Diesel, and Kerosene/Jet-A. The largest refinery in the country and several smaller ones are currently offline. As a result, one leg of the Colonial Pipeline in the south is currently shut down as well. This is why the price of Gasoline will go up considerably, even though the price of oil may stay stable or even fall (oil production hasn't stopped, but can't be consumed by the available refineries, so crude stocks will rise in the short term).

 

[NoTine42]

So sick of seeing all these Captain hindsight experts whining about the chemical company not preparing for such a thing. Who the fuck can prepare for something like this? Must be nice sitting on your fat ass safe in your house, judging something that would have been just fine for the recorded severe weather in the area.

It's mostly about future learning and application.

It seems many smart people built critical backup systems without thinking, what if flooding was the problem knocking out primary power? We also now know larger floods above sea level are a US problem, too.

 

[Darwin333]

bash him then kudos him. wow good job.

sounds like he is a good christian nutbag.

As much as I generally dislike Christian nutbags, those that actually act Christ like I have nothing but respect for. Seems like this man has done what very few do and seriously put his money where his faith is, regardless of his reasons, damn good on him.

 

[Crumpet]

That guy collecting gas in the jerry cans might be one of the guys with boats helping out, or collecting gas for everyone in his neighborhood.. Don't be so quick to jump to accusations and assumptions.

From what I've seen of Texas and this storm, people are pulling together hard, and it's really impressive.

 

[purbeast0]

Irma now Cat 3 ahead of schedule and it hasn't even hit the really warm water yet...

Going to the Keys tomorrow until Wednesday, hope this hurricane doesn't screw it up!

 

[ViRGE]

I saw up thread that someone was saying that there is plenty of oil. That's true. The problem isn't oil, its refined products like Gasoline, Diesel, and Kerosene/Jet-A. The largest refinery in the country and several smaller ones are currently offline. As a result, one leg of the Colonial Pipeline in the south is currently shut down as well. This is why the price of Gasoline will go up considerably, even though the price of oil may stay stable or even fall (oil production hasn't stopped, but can't be consumed by the available refineries, so crude stocks will rise in the short term).

The US national gas stockpile inventory is over 200M barrels, or over 20 days of capacity with no new production. We have plenty of refined products.

 

[Exterous]

So sick of seeing all these Captain hindsight experts whining about the chemical company not preparing for such a thing. Who the fuck can prepare for something like this? Must be nice sitting on your fat ass safe in your house, judging something that would have been just fine for the recorded severe weather in the area.

They would probably be the same people complaining that a companies products were more expensive because they raised prices to pay for additional backup systems that may never be needed

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

That guy collecting gas in the jerry cans might be one of the guys with boats helping out, or collecting gas for everyone in his neighborhood.. Don't be so quick to jump to accusations and assumptions.

From what I've seen of Texas and this storm, people are pulling together hard, and it's really impressive.

b-b-b-but Texas is a bunch of gun 'toting bible humping red-necks that hate mexicans and are wacist. I mean, they don't even eat kale salads and some of them even display the confederate flag!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The US national gas stockpile is over 200M gallons, or over 20 days of capacity with no new production. We have plenty of refined products.

I thought the stockpile was strictly oil? Interesting if it also includes gas - but can't gas go bad overtime from not being used?

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Gas is going up even here in the north. WE HAVE LOT OF OIL IN CANADA STOP PLAYING GAMES! It's ridiculous how these companies take advantage of a disaster to make extra profit. There should be laws against that.

Yep, the price gouging has begin. Noticed the pumps here in Atlanta had gone up +50 cents/gallon almost overnight.