Hurricane Irma track change! (for the worse!)

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Yikes, damm, I feel for them, maybe they somehow still have a standing home if they get lucky. Where in FL are you located at?.
Their homes should still be standing. The larger issue is debris, both floating and blowing. Loose boats and other objects in the storm surge can batter a place to pieces. It's all a matter of luck.

I live a few miles south of the Ocala National Forest, basically in the middle of Florida.
 

BUTCH1

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Damn, this thing has continued to track west of the forecasts. I would sure hate to see it track a bit further west and hit the panhandle which I have to assume is a hell of a lot less prepared/evacuated. I went to "huricane-con 2" today and bought another 100 gallons of gas, topped off my propane and got all my absolutely must have stuff ready to go just in case it goes way west. They haven't been able to predict this monster very well so far and to hell with taking chances when a real monster might be at your doorstep.

"huricane-con 2"...priceless!, yea, another westward slip, but I don't think it will be packing too much by the time it gets there. The tracking game will mess with you're brain!, they waffled back and forth 2-3 times before finally nailing it down. Retail outlets actually did very well, I have never seen a Publix without a single roll of toilet paper until 2 days ago. Ace hardware had double-parking cones set up to handle the huge amount of customers. I'm used to the usual stuff becoming rare when a storm approaches but this was just NUTS this time around. Maybe it was the fresh memory of Matthew less than a year ago or the 185MPH wind-speed's this thing got up to at one point.
 

BUTCH1

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Their homes should still be standing. The larger issue is debris, both floating and blowing. Loose boats and other objects in the storm surge can batter a place to pieces. It's all a matter of luck.

I live a few miles south of the Ocala National Forest, basically in the middle of Florida.
Yea, I guess luck is what you need sometimes, last year during Matthew a house about 400ft from mine had a monster oak come right down on his roof, ouch. With the track shift you guys should be OK tomorrow, my biggest fear is the monster of a pine tree in my backyard, I'd have to shell out about $2K to have it removed and that's if the city would issue me a permit to do so. I'm not expecting much in the way of winds tomorrow, possibly 60-75 tops, the power however is pretty bad at going down as none of the lines are buried. The topic of burying power lines comes up many times until people realize that THEY will wind up paying for it, then all of a sudden it's not so urgent.
 

pcslookout

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LOL, I tend to look at it a bit different, every hurricane is like a living nightmare for me. Frances took SO DAMM LONG to clear out I remember the constant howling like a huge jet engine at full throttle. Then Charley, the "unexpected" hurricane, it was supposed to meander up the west coast as a cat 1 and disappear into the panhandle...NOPE, Charley went from a minimal #1 to a #4 in less than 24 hours then made a hard right turn and busted through the state exiting FL 2 miles from my house. We went on the porch as it moved toward us, (it was 10 PM) and saw huge flash after flash, wife asks if that's lightning, "nope, that our electric grid being destroyed". As it approached it spawned an F1 tornado right over the house, pine-cones hit the roof sounding like gunfire followed by 2 pine trees getting their tops snapped off and landing in my backyard. Sorry, I'm rambling at this point, guess these make me nervous.

Good luck your right in the path of this Hurricane again unfortunately. It will almost hit where Hurricane Charley did.

Oh yes I remember Hurricane Charley. It was small but powerful. I remember seeing it along the coast going from a Cat.1 to Cat. 4 that was exciting!

Still nothing will ever beat Hurricane Katrina with her shear size!
 

BUTCH1

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Good luck your right in the path of this Hurricane again unfortunately. It will almost hit where Hurricane Charley did.

Oh yes I remember Hurricane Charley. It was small but powerful. I remember seeing it along the coast going from a Cat.1 to Cat. 4 that was exciting!

Still nothing will ever beat Hurricane Katrina with her shear size!
We 'should' be ok with the westerly track, although it's a big storm I'm not expecting anything near what Matthew doled out last year.
 

pcslookout

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Key West is currently getting pounded with 25 feet to 40 feet waves. Good luck to the people who stayed there!
 

BUTCH1

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Well you can expect at least power outages obviously.
Yes, I agree, we will see outages with the crappy, old infrastructure in this area. I've got a genny that will cover the basics + a window AC but boy does the fuel go quickly once you add that load on it.
 

pcslookout

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Yes, I agree, we will see outages with the crappy, old infrastructure in this area. I've got a genny that will cover the basics + a window AC but boy does the fuel go quickly once you add that load on it.

Wow Miami is suppose to get 100 mph winds.
 

boomerang

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We closed on a newly built home the 31st of last month in Naples. We had moved down in late May and were renting until the home was completed. We had furniture deliveries scheduled as well as installation of fans, plantation shutters and things of that nature scheduled for this past week and coming week. Obviously all of those were cancelled.

The house should in theory survive the wind but the storm surge will probably make in uninhabitable despite us being about eight miles inland. With a 30 day wait for flood coverage we are not covered. The house more than likely will have to be completely gutted due to mold by the time the power is restored. With no coverage I really don't know how we're going to approach this. My first thoughts center around a teardown and putting the lot up for sale. That will probably be the cheapest way out. But in the meantime HOA fees will need to be paid. We have a small mortgage and how they're going to feel about holding paper on the place remains to be seen. It will be interesting to say the least.

Going down to check on the house will be pretty much mission impossible. With nowhere to stay, the logistics of that endeavor may be insurmountable. Millions displaced, no place to stay, and many, many people all competing for the same resources will make it nearly impossible. Stores for supplies might be able to be open but where will their employee's live? The logistics of getting a community restored are really overwhelming when you start thinking about it.

We are staying in Northern Alabama right now but we are not interested in wearing out our welcome. We will need to find a place to rent outside of the areas of the devastation and probably outside of Florida and I'm thinking we'd better do it quick before supply and demand kicks in and scarcity makes a roof over one's head outrageously costly. These are the cliff notes of our particular situation.

Right now the focus is on Irma and while this is in play the nations thoughts have moved beyond Harvey. They'll move beyond Irma within a week or so.
 

BUTCH1

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Well you can expect at least power outages obviously.
Yes, I agree, we will see outages with the crappy, old infrastructure in this area. I've got a genny that will cover the basics + a window AC but boy does the fuel go quickly once you add that load on it.
We closed on a newly built home the 31st of last month in Naples. We had moved down in late May and were renting until the home was completed. We had furniture deliveries scheduled as well as installation of fans, plantation shutters and things of that nature scheduled for this past week and coming week. Obviously all of those were cancelled.

The house should in theory survive the wind but the storm surge will probably make in uninhabitable despite us being about eight miles inland. With a 30 day wait for flood coverage we are not covered. The house more than likely will have to be completely gutted due to mold by the time the power is restored. With no coverage I really don't know how we're going to approach this. My first thoughts center around a teardown and putting the lot up for sale. That will probably be the cheapest way out. But in the meantime HOA fees will need to be paid. We have a small mortgage and how they're going to feel about holding paper on the place remains to be seen. It will be interesting to say the least.

Going down to check on the house will be pretty much mission impossible. With nowhere to stay, the logistics of that endeavor may be insurmountable. Millions displaced, no place to stay, and many, many people all competing for the same resources will make it nearly impossible. Stores for supplies might be able to be open but where will their employee's live? The logistics of getting a community restored are really overwhelming when you start thinking about it.

We are staying in Northern Alabama right now but we are not interested in wearing out our welcome. We will need to find a place to rent outside of the areas of the devastation and probably outside of Florida and I'm thinking we'd better do it quick before supply and demand kicks in and scarcity makes a roof over one's head outrageously costly. These are the cliff notes of our particular situation.

Right now the focus is on Irma and while this is in play the nations thoughts have moved beyond Harvey. They'll move beyond Irma within a week or so.
Maybe your insurance Co will cut you a break, it's not like you've lived there for years and bought flood insurance 5 days before the storm.
 

FIVR

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The eye went right over my house. So far no contact from the people staying there. I think power is out to the whole island.



It was only 130mph and even the windows are rated to higher speeds than that. I don't think they'll have any issues. I'm expecting a call from them later tonight.
 

BUTCH1

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Insurance companies are well known for their leniency, after all.
I agree, they are usually known to look for any reason to wiggle out on a claim. I guess my point was that he's not one of those who chose to "cheap-out" by opting to ignore flood coverage then seeking it as trouble brews, he just bought the property and is the victim of extremely bad luck. In spirit the 30-day period for no coverage was intended to prevent people from doing exactly that.
 

Paratus

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We closed on a newly built home the 31st of last month in Naples. We had moved down in late May and were renting until the home was completed. We had furniture deliveries scheduled as well as installation of fans, plantation shutters and things of that nature scheduled for this past week and coming week. Obviously all of those were cancelled.

The house should in theory survive the wind but the storm surge will probably make in uninhabitable despite us being about eight miles inland. With a 30 day wait for flood coverage we are not covered. The house more than likely will have to be completely gutted due to mold by the time the power is restored. With no coverage I really don't know how we're going to approach this. My first thoughts center around a teardown and putting the lot up for sale. That will probably be the cheapest way out. But in the meantime HOA fees will need to be paid. We have a small mortgage and how they're going to feel about holding paper on the place remains to be seen. It will be interesting to say the least.

Going down to check on the house will be pretty much mission impossible. With nowhere to stay, the logistics of that endeavor may be insurmountable. Millions displaced, no place to stay, and many, many people all competing for the same resources will make it nearly impossible. Stores for supplies might be able to be open but where will their employee's live? The logistics of getting a community restored are really overwhelming when you start thinking about it.

We are staying in Northern Alabama right now but we are not interested in wearing out our welcome. We will need to find a place to rent outside of the areas of the devastation and probably outside of Florida and I'm thinking we'd better do it quick before supply and demand kicks in and scarcity makes a roof over one's head outrageously costly. These are the cliff notes of our particular situation.

Right now the focus is on Irma and while this is in play the nations thoughts have moved beyond Harvey. They'll move beyond Irma within a week or so.

Well damn. I'm sorry to hear that. Went through something similar with Hurricane Ike. Had six figures worth of damage to our two year old house.

If you've never gone through something like this before here are somethings to think about.
  • You don't have flood insurance - do you have windstorm insurance? If your house floods and it's due to losing your roof then flood wouldn't have covered anyway.
  • FEMA has offered loans through the SBA for recovery in the past. You can get loans at reasonable interest rates for both construction and personal property loss.
Having recently mucked out 4-5 houses from Harvey and lived in my own house while construction was going on after Ike consider the following
  • Drywall tear out - measuring tape and chalk line to mark the area to be demoed. Utility knife to score the drywall. Pry bar and hammer to rip it out to 6-12in above the flood line. Remove any wet wall insulation. Use hammer and pry bar to remove trim pieces.
  • Carpet - Utility knife to cut the carpet and pad. Rip out carpet and pad. Pry bar and hammer to remove tack strips and baseboards.
  • Roof damage - a ladder for access to the roof. Use large tarps to cover damaged areas. The tarps need to start at a peak and work downward so rain stays out. Use roofing nails with large plastic washers around the head (sold that way can't remember the specific name) and a hammer to secure the tarps. Remove any wet insulation from the attic.
  • For damaged appliances - remove them. a furniture dolly works well.
  • Mold mitigation - Pump sprayer and biocide. Spray the exposed walls anywhere you've cut away sheet rock
  • Cabinet damage. This one is harder. Generally need power tools to cut the backs out to get to the wet walls behind them. Either battery powered saw or bring a generator.
  • Gloves, dust masks, and eye protection for everyone.
  • Lots of contractor grade (3 mil) trash bags for wet sheet rock and insulation.
  • Large sheets of plastic can be used to section off non-flooded areas of the house so the air conditioning can be used. Useful on open plans with 2 stories.
  • Assuming the power will be out for a while bring a generator, lots of gas, long extension cords, fans, chargers for battery powered tools, a window AC unit to make one room livable.
  • Bring coolers with lots of ice, food, and water. Plus someway to cook - camping grill, charcoal, etc
  • If you can't fit all this consider pulling a Uhaul trailer.
  • Document and take pictures of everything.
Good luck and remember if your house is damaged it's a marathon not sprint.
 

Stopsignhank

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How odd, the Jacksonville Jaguars are playing the Houston Texans. The announcers said what Houston just went through Jacksonville is going through right now.
 

Darwin333

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The topic of burying power lines comes up many times until people realize that THEY will wind up paying for it, then all of a sudden it's not so urgent.

The funny thing is that eventually they will pay for it anyway but when they do actually pay for it the power lines will be in the street. So the repairs will be far to urgent to spend any extra time on improvements much less burying them.
 

Darwin333

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"huricane-con 2"...priceless!

There are many small increments between hurricane-con 2 and hurricane-con 1 such as:

Hurricane-con 1.9 is dragging all the wood out of the shed that was used last time I boarded up, checking its condition and cutting any that need to be replaced.

Hurricane-con 1.85 is putting said wood up with the plylox clips (greatest invention ever if you can use them on your house btw) that I already have on hand because I either bought enough last time to have enough brand new unopened, bags or I bought them at the start of hurricane season along with the rest of the supplies you see everyone trying to buy at the last minute. Other than topping off my gas tanks I literally don't have to do any shopping when a hurricane is actually threatening.

Hurricane-con 1.00 is filling my 150qt ice chest filled to the brim with beer, water and a bit of food then lashing it to an inner tube with a rope tied from it to my foot, dogs leash tied to my hand, sitting in a foam floating lounge chair and me wearing arm floaties and a backpack. Obviously that isn't the entire checklist for hurricane-con 1.00 but it's the essentials, so you get the gist.
 
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lxskllr

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Heard on the radio ~90 pets had to be rescued because their owners left them behind. Tied off to trees, cars, whatever... What kind of piece of shit does it take to do that?!
 

Darwin333

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If you've never gone through something like this before here are somethings to think about.
  • Roof damage - a ladder for access to the roof. Use large tarps to cover damaged areas. The tarps need to start at a peak and work downward so rain stays out. Use roofing nails with large plastic washers around the head (sold that way can't remember the specific name) and a hammer to secure the tarps. Remove any wet insulation from the attic.
Good luck and remember if your house is damaged it's a marathon not sprint.

Very good list, those nails are called Simplex nails and come with either a large plastic washer or all metal, both work just as well for this purpose.
 
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