Hurricane Irma track change! (for the worse!)

[GagHalfrunt]

I wonder if people knew what hurricanes looked like prior to satellite photos.

They did. Ben Franklin was an avid astronomer and keen to watch an eclipse. The weather spoiled his view in Philadelphia and he tried to gather information from other people including his brother in Boston. Turns out the weather spoiled the view along the entire northeast. Ben charted out the timing and the description of the storm from those reports and worked out the shape and the wind direction and the rotation based on what the storm was doing at various times in various places. The wind direction was from the east in one city and from the west in another and from the south in a third. From that he deduced the movement, shape and the counter-clockwise spin of the storm.

It might not have been an actual hurricane, it might have been either a small hurricane or a bitch of a nor'easter, but the effect was the same. He figured it out by seeing only a small piece of it.

 

[Darwin333]

Of course it hasn't failed to pay out. Our nation has been on a borrowing spree for decades. Borrow internally with worthless promises to pay back, borrow from the outside world. My point is that we as a nation are going deeper and deeper in debt. The magic money tree ceased to supply a long, long time ago.

My worthless comment was directed at contents coverage. I see that I did not make that clear. ACV on contents nets an individual a pittance of what it will cost to replace those items regardless of who is doing the insuring.

Buy some cheap art, fake some receipts for expensive art and make sure they are too damaged to tell apart. Should be able to easily get you up to the max payout.

 

[Darwin333]

Well thanks for thinking about me, I do appreciate it. The house is cinder-block construction, but the issue is always the roof, if that starts shredding off it quickly slides downhill. Since it was built in the '70's there was no hurricane-related codes in play at that time. It has withstood up to 95MPH with only minor damage but this will probably have us around 120 for up to 6 hours. This might be asking too much not only for the house, but the pine tree's that are around it. In a small bit of good news my employer has offered us to stay at the food distribution center where I work. They have a generator the size of a semi,( mandatory for insurance), plus it's a concrete building with steel roofing. It's only 2.5 miles from home so it's a route I might just take. Although it lacks the creature comforts of a bed, I won't have to worry about getting snarled in the inevitable traffic nightmare both escaping from and returning to home, (or what's left of it). Oh, my boss,(the owner) loves to eat as much as I do so there will no problem with food, the facility has a fully-equipped test kitchen. Yea, the humidity this time of year is difficult to say the least, just hanging up shutters for 3 hours last night had me drenched in sweat+exhausted, doesn't help that I'm 60 either!.

Hey if you want to stay in town you can't get a better deal than that! You have ample food obviously, an owner that likes to eat like you do and a generator to keep the AC going. I'm going to assume it's nat gas and that rarely goes out. As far as your roof, with a house that old it's not the roof per se that you have to worry about but the structure it's attached to. I can install a roof that has been tested to withstand 150MPH winds but that just means that you will find the wood decking in the neighbors yard with the roofing still attached.

 

[BUTCH1]

Hey if you want to stay in town you can't get a better deal than that! You have ample food obviously, an owner that likes to eat like you do and a generator to keep the AC going. I'm going to assume it's nat gas and that rarely goes out. As far as your roof, with a house that old it's not the roof per se that you have to worry about but the structure it's attached to. I can install a roof that has been tested to withstand 150MPH winds but that just means that you will find the wood decking in the neighbors yard with the roofing still attached.

LOL, yea, finding my roof 3 houses down would kinda suck. They just did a track update and it's shifted to the west quite a bit, this means Miami+ Dade county in general will get the full brunt of this beast, we will still see hurricane force winds, but if it has to trudge 400 miles over land before it hits Daytona the maximum winds will not be 120. Who knows, my roof might survive after all. Nailing down the exact track has been a challenge all along for some reason or another. I'll try and post back after hell on earth passes through. The down-side of an "up the gut" track is power outages will take much longer to get restored, because they will be state-wide vs east coast mainly.

 

[Darwin333]

LOL, yea, finding my roof 3 houses down would kinda suck. They just did a track update and it's shifted to the west quite a bit, this means Miami+ Dade county in general will get the full brunt of this beast, we will still see hurricane force winds, but if it has to trudge 400 miles over land before it hits Daytona the maximum winds will not be 120. Who knows, my roof might survive after all. Nailing down the exact track has been a challenge all along for some reason or another. I'll try and post back after hell on earth passes through. The down-side of an "up the gut" track is power outages will take much longer to get restored, because they will be state-wide vs east coast mainly.

Yeah, I was just looking at that. Pretty much the worst case scenario for Florida in general. I wouldn't have been THAT bad had the eye stayed off to the east, even if just slightly. It makes a huge difference between getting hit by the outer part of the storm versus taking a direct hit from the eye plus yall wouldn't have been on the "dirty" side of the storm. They are still calling on the beast to be a hurricane even after it makes its way all the way through Florida and into Georgia!! Looks like damn near everyone in the southern quarter of the Florida peninsula at the very least should be evacuating. I couldn't imagine moving that many people despite still having a few days to do so. Another thing is I like how they keep saying that they expect it to weaken to a Cat 4 at 155MPH sustained winds before it hits Florida. A cat 5 is 157MPH winds FFS, so it's a Cat 4+++ or a Cat 5- lol. OTOH at least it won't be the 185mph sustained winds it had earlier...

I have been trying to find where the expect it to drop down to a Cat 2 if it goes "up the gut" like they are calling right now. I personally GTFO of dodge for a Cat 3 and above despite being better prepared to ride it, and the aftermath, out than 95% of people.

 

[Darwin333]

This is just crazy, this storm is tossing around CARS like they are ragdolls. Any ATOT folk in its way, please just leave. The drive might suck but it's a small price to pay for your life and the lives of your family.

 

[lxskllr]

but the issue is always the roof, if that starts shredding off it quickly slides downhill.

kind of late now, but I wonder if strapping down the roof would work? Straps going over the whole house, and attached to anchors in the ground.

 

[Pardus]

I have been to Miami a few times, it is a disgusting hell hole of gays and transgenders and who the hells knows what they are. Let's hope this hurricane will wipe Miami off the map. It's about time,

Keep your bigotry to yourself, it's not welcome here.
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[Darwin333]

kind of late now, but I wonder if strapping down the roof would work? Straps going over the whole house, and attached to anchors in the ground.

No. Once the roof starts to peel from any point around the perimeter it is game over, it just becomes an ever growing "kite". I guess you could try to secure the perimeter in that way, which would require a fuckton of strap and some sort of crazy anchoring system to the ground but if it's a shingle roof it doesn't prevent the shingles being peeled off in the middle. I wouldn't even begin to imagine the anchoring system to the ground for the entire side of a house facing 155+mph winds when huge ass trees with equally huge ass roots can't even stay anchored.

 

[Darwin333]

I have been to Miami a few times, it is a disgusting hell hole of gays and transgenders and who the hells knows what they are. Let's hope this hurricane will wipe Miami off the map. It's about time,

I hope you die in a fire and if I am lucky enough to witness it I will not waste a drop of piss to put it out.

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[Red Squirrel]

I imagine if you could hit bed rock you could use some kind of anchor that grabs into a drilled hole, and then it is filled with epoxy. Would need to be one hell of a heavy duty system overall though, like the cables etc that are used. Though in hurricane areas they almost need to completely change how they design stuff. Everything should be built in concrete and be aerodynamic. Like domes or something. Anything that the wind can grab on will probably get ripped. Eves on a typical house make a nice sail.

 

[lxskllr]

No. Once the roof starts to peel from any point around the perimeter it is game over, it just becomes an ever growing "kite". I guess you could try to secure the perimeter in that way, which would require a fuckton of strap and some sort of crazy anchoring system to the ground but if it's a shingle roof it doesn't prevent the shingles being peeled off in the middle. I wouldn't even begin to imagine the anchoring system to the ground for the entire side of a house facing 155+mph winds when huge ass trees with equally huge ass roots can't even stay anchored.

Well, a deadman buried every 10' on each side of the house, and some trucking strap they use to hold cargo might keep it in place enough to not lose everything inside the house. It would be interesting to try. The biggest expense would be the strapping. If /I/ were running storm prep in a place like FL, I'd have a test bed of houses with various hacks to keep them together, and see how they make out in a storm. Refine over time as data gets accumulated.

 

[IronWing]

This is just crazy, this storm is tossing around CARS like they are ragdolls. Any ATOT folk in its way, please just leave. The drive might suck but it's a small price to pay for your life and the lives of your family.

What's the alien blob thing in the middle?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Yep. No time to evacuate, batten down the hatches, stockpile food or water, or move to higher ground. You go to sleep one night and the weather is perfect, you wake up to hell on Earth. Things are not really all that different even now on many of those small islands. Evacuation is not an option, there is no higher ground that's safe and there's only so much food and fresh water to go around. Maybe it's even worse, it's like being tied to the railroad tracks. They know what's coming and still can't do anything to get out of the way or mitigate damage.

Well, there usually is higher ground - and certain islands do have proper procedures... Usually the middle of the island is one of the highest points... ideally they would have shelters there.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I have a brave brother in law that lives in Orlando that isn't evacuating.... hope his house doesn't get crushed into oblivion...

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I have a brave brother in law that lives in Orlando that isn't evacuating.... hope his house doesn't get crushed into oblivion...

I'm a bit NW of Orlando and I am not evacuating. The current track has it coming directly over my house. However, my house is rated to 130mph and is at a relatively high elevation (+100') so things should be OK. I've lived in Florida for 50 years and have been through plenty of hurricanes, including Charley, which went right over my house.

Honestly, the worst part of hurricanes is not the hit, it's the aftermath and cleanup.

 

[Kaido]

I'm a bit NW of Orlando and I am not evacuating. The current track has it coming directly over my house. However, my house is rated to 130mph and is at a relatively high elevation (+100') so things should be OK. I've lived in Florida for 50 years and have been through plenty of hurricanes, including Charley, which went right over my house.

Honestly, the worst part of hurricanes is not the hit, it's the aftermath and cleanup.

livestream plz

 

[ViRGE]

5am ET Update: The models are increasingly narrowing down Irma's landfall as going straight up the middle of Florida.

But for the time being, the intensity is down to a top-end Category 4 with 155mph winds, as the storm is undergoing an eyewall replacement cycle. ERCs are a mixed blessing; intensity goes down some, but the size of the storm also expands. Irma is already a diva, so she doesn't need to get bigger; that just makes her even more dangerous. Furthermore once the ERC is done, there's always a risk that she'll re-strengthen.

 

[Muse]

They did. Ben Franklin was an avid astronomer and keen to watch an eclipse.

-snip-

I'm midway into Ben Franklin's autobiography. It's an amazing book, a free download from Amazon to my Kindle. He was a very astute person throughout his life.

 

[Muse]

They are still calling on the beast to be a hurricane even after it makes its way all the way through Florida and into Georgia!!

Guess this is why I'm not getting a call back from Omega Research, the company that made my car's remote. I left them two messages on Wednesday. Finally dawned on me they probably sent everyone home to take care of business as the beast approaches. They are in Douglasville, GA.

 

[ponyo]

Guess this is why I'm not getting a call back from Omega Research, the company that made my car's remote. I left them two messages on Wednesday. Finally dawned on me they probably sent everyone home to take care of business as the beast approaches. They are in Douglasville, GA.

Douglasville is about 20 miles west of Atlanta. Nobody in Atlanta is worried about the hurricane. We're concerned for the people in Florida but Atlanta is way too far up north for us to be concerned other than some stronger than normal winds and rain that might come our way because of the hurricane. If Omega Research is not returning your call, I can guarantee you it's not because of the any potential threat from the hurricane.

 

[zinfamous]

I have a brave brother in law that lives in Orlando that isn't evacuating.... hope his house doesn't get crushed into oblivion...

There's a fine line between brave and stupid.

 

[Jeeebus]

I'm now about 99% sure we won't be offshore fishing for dolphin/mahi on Sunday. On the plus side, we might be able to fish for them from the backyard.

All shuttered up here in Ft Lauderdale. Going to bring the rest of our stuff inside today. We have a big playset outside that we will say our goodbyes to today. I assume it will be embedded in a neighbor's house on Sunday.

 

[ViRGE]

However, my house is rated to 130mph and is at a relatively high elevation (+100') so things should be OK.

Just so it's noted, hurricane winds are faster the higher your elevation. Even 100ft is enough to make a difference.

 

[Meliodas]

I'm now about 99% sure we won't be offshore fishing for dolphin/mahi on Sunday. On the plus side, we might be able to fish for them from the backyard.

All shuttered up here in Ft Lauderdale. Going to bring the rest of our stuff inside today. We have a big playset outside that we will say our goodbyes to today. I assume it will be embedded in a neighbor's house on Sunday.

My brother just started school near there (NSU). He said all the food was cleared out of stores a few days ago so he went to Georgia to stay with some family friends. I wish he was back here in NY, but airline tickets were crazy high.

Hope you make it through the storm okay (and all your delicious fruit/trees).