Hurricane Katrina a Category 5 Hurricane!

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ViRGE

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30 days may be too optimistic for pumping all the water out of NO.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
The 17th street canal has been sealed! No more water can flow in from there.

The only remaining breeches are at places where the water level is well below the city water level.
YES!!

They can pump 1/2" per hour..1 foot/day...3 weeks and the water can be out.
 

Kenazo

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
The 17th street canal has been sealed! No more water can flow in from there.

The only remaining breeches are at places where the water level is well below the city water level.

So water is currently flowing out at these places?

I'm looking forward to the impending documentaries on all these different aspects of the Hurricane. Not looking forward to the final death toll though.

 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: Kenazo
Originally posted by: ViRGE
The 17th street canal has been sealed! No more water can flow in from there.

The only remaining breeches are at places where the water level is well below the city water level.

So water is currently flowing out at these places?
Yes, all the current breeches are against points where the external water level is below the internal.

 

loup garou

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Feb 17, 2000
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Originally posted by: ViRGE
The 17th street canal has been sealed! No more water can flow in from there.

The only remaining breeches are at places where the water level is well below the city water level.
Where'd you hear that? Great news if true!
 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: werk
Originally posted by: ViRGE
The 17th street canal has been sealed! No more water can flow in from there.

The only remaining breeches are at places where the water level is well below the city water level.
Where'd you hear that? Great news if true!
WWL, live stream.
 

loup garou

Lifer
Feb 17, 2000
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Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: werk
Originally posted by: ViRGE
The 17th street canal has been sealed! No more water can flow in from there.

The only remaining breeches are at places where the water level is well below the city water level.
Where'd you hear that? Great news if true!
WWL, live stream.
Just heard it too. Awesome news. :thumbsup:
 

OutHouse

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Jun 5, 2000
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I have been watching foxnews, MSNBC and CNN and Foxnews has been blasting bush a lot harder than the other networks.
 

BaldAvenger

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FYI...the Hyatt evac was paid for a day or two ago by the hyatt hotel manager. BUT...when the buses were enroute, they were comandeered by the national guard for the superdome evac. And they paid for "greyhounds" not school buses. I heard that somewhere recently, but I can't remember right this second. Some interview of someone holed up in their shop surrounded by looters...Please correct me if I am wrong and you happen to recall it. I think the first name of the guy was Finis... Sorry I can't remember the rest of the name, but I know that it was an odd one.
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: Citrix
I have been watching foxnews, MSNBC and CNN and Foxnews has been blasting bush a lot harder than the other networks.
I would recommend avoiding watching any national news outlets and even your local news and tune into WWL and WDSU's web streams for news on the Katrina aftermath. They know what they're talking about and aren't spreading rumor and politicizing the event as much as the other news outlets. The folks reporting lost their homes, too. I'm extremely impressed with their coverage.
 

ViRGE

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Oct 9, 1999
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WWL- St. Tammany Parish Leader complaining about Federal Rules hurting local needs...
Apparently 8,000 gallons of fuel delivered, but FEMA wouldn't allow it to go into a privately owned tank....
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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http://www.nola.com/weblogs/nola /
Name: Robert LeBlanc

Subject: My Hurricane Story -- The Positive Stories Must Get Out

Story: Please help me to get this story out. We need to get the truth out and these people helped.

Jeff Rau, a family and now personal friend to whom I will forever be linked, and I were volunteering with a boat and pulling people out of the water on Wednesday. I have a first-hand experience of what we encountered. In my opinion, everything that is going on in the media is a complete bastardization of what is really happening. The result is that good people are dying and losing family members. I have my own set of opinions about welfare and people working to improve thier own lot instead of looking for handouts, but what is occurring now is well beyond those borders. These people need help and need to get out. We can sort out all of the social and political issues later, but human beings with any sense of compassion would agree that the travesty that is going on here in New Orleans needs to end and people's lives need to be saved and families need to be put back together. Now.

I will tell you that I would probably disagree with most of the people that still need to be saved on political, social, and cultural values. However, it must be noted that these people love thier friends and families like I do, desire to live like I do, and care for their respective communities (I was even amazed at the site of seemingly young and poor black people caring for sickly and seemingly well-to-do white people and tourists still needing evacuation from New Orleans' downtown area) the same way I care for mine.

Eight people in particular who stood out during our rescue and whose stories deserve to be told:

1.) We were in motor boats all day ferrying people back and forth approximately a mile and a half each way (from Carrolton down Airline Hwy to the Causeway overpass). Early in the day, we witnessed a black man in a boat with no motor paddling with a piece of lumber. He rescued people in the boat and paddled them to safety (a mile and a half). He then, amidst all of the boats with motors, turned around and paddled back out across the mile and a half stretch to do his part in getting more people out. He refused to give up or occupy any of the motored boat resources because he did not want to slow us down in our efforts. I saw him at about 5:00 p.m., paddling away from the rescue point back out into the neighborhoods with about a half mile until he got to the neighborhood, just two hours before nightfall. I am sure that his trip took at least an hour and a half each trip, and he was going back to get more people knowing that he'd run out of daylight. He did all of this wit! h a t!
wo-by-four.

2.) One of the groups that we rescued were 50 people standing on the bridge that crosses over Airline Hwy just before getting to Carrolton Ave going toward downtown. Most of these people had been there, with no food, water, or anyplace to go since Monday morning (we got to them Wed afternoon) and surrounded by 10 feet of water all around them. There was one guy who had been there since the beginning, organizing people and helping more people to get to the bridge safely as more water rose on Wednesday morning. He did not leave the bridge until everyone got off safely, even deferring to people who had gotten to the bridge Wed a.m. and, although inconvenienced by loss of power and weather damage, did have the luxury of some food and some water as late as Tuesday evening. This guy waited on the bridge until dusk, and was one of the last boats out that night. He could have easily not made it out that night and been stranded on the bridge alone.

3.) The third story may be the most compelling. I will not mince words. This was in a really rough neighborhood and we came across five seemingly unsavory characters. One had scars from what seemed to be gunshot wounds. We found these guys at a two-story recreational complex, one of the only two-story buildings in the neighborhood. They broke into the center and tried to rustle as many people as possible from the neighborhood into the center. These guys stayed outside in the center all day, getting everyone out of the rec center onto boats. We approached them at approximately 6:30 p.m., obviously one of the last trips of the day, and they sent us further into the neighborhood to get more people out of homes and off rooftops instead of getting on themselves. This at the risk of their not getting out and having to stay in the water for an undetermined (you have to understand the uncertainly that all of the people in these accounts faced without having any info on the resc! ue ef!
forts, how far or deep the flooding was, or where to go if they want to swim or walk out) amount of time. These five guys were on the last boat out of the neighborhood at sundown. They were incredibly grateful, mentioned numerous times 'God is going to bless y'all for this'. When we got them to the dock, they offered us an Allen Iverson jersey off of one of their backs as a gesture of gratitude, which was literally probably the most valuable possession among them all. Obviously, we declined, but I remain tremendously impacted by this gesture.

I don't know what to do with all of this, but I think we need to get this story out. Some of what is being portrayed among the media is happening and is terrible, but it is among a very small group of people, not the majority. They make it seem like New Orleans has somehow taken the atmosphere of the mobs in Mogadishu portrayed in the book and movie "Black Hawk Down," which is making volunteers (including us) more hesitant and rescue attempts more difficult. As a result, people are dying. My family has been volunteering at the shelters here in Houma and can count on one hand the number of people among thousands who have not said "Thank You." or "God Bless You." Their lives shattered and families torn apart, gracious just to have us serve them beans and rice.

If anything, these eight people's stories deserve to be told, so that people across the world will know what they really did in the midst of this devastation. So that it will not be assumed that they were looting hospitals, they were shooting at helicopters. It must be known that they, like many other people that we encountered, sacrificed themselves during all of this to help other people in more dire straits than their own.

It is also important to know that this account is coming from someone who is politically conservative, believes in capitalism and free enterprise, and is traditionally against many of the opinions and stances of activists like Michael Moore and other liberals on most of the hot-topic political issues of the day. Believe me, I am not the political activist. This transcends politics. This is about humanity and helping mankind. We need to get these people out. Save their lives. We can sort out all of the political and social issues later. People need to know the truth of what is going on at the ground level so that they know that New Orleans and the people stranded there are, despite being panicked and desperate, gracious people and they deserve the chance to live. They need all of our help, as well.

This is an accurate account of things. Jeffery Rau would probably tell the same exact stories.

Regards,
Robert LeBlanc


Wow.
 

alien42

Lifer
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Originally posted by: ViRGE
WWL- St. Tammany Parish Leader complaining about Federal Rules hurting local needs...
Apparently 8,000 gallons of fuel delivered, but FEMA wouldn't allow it to go into a privately owned tank....

that guy was more pi$$ed than the mayor
 

dmcowen674

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Oct 13, 1999
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Greetings from the Evacuation point of Dead Orleans.

I am in that building across the street from where you see the helicopters landing and taking off and the thousands of people lined up along the Interstate.

Officials are using this as base camp as well. I have spoken to an Officer that he said he has seen at least 3 thousand bodies.

I just got a Cell Site up here so we are a beacon in an Island of Dead.

I have never been to war but I do not have to go because being here I see what it is like.

I cannot believe this has happened. It is beyond surreal.
 

AaronB

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Greetings from the Evacuation point of Dead Orleans.

I am in that building across the street from where you see the helicopters landing and taking off and the thousands of people lined up along the Interstate.

Officials are using this as base camp as well. I have spoken to an Officer that he said he has seen at least 3 thousand bodies.

I just got a Cell Site up here so we are a beacon in an Island of Dead.

I have never been to war but I do not have to go because being here I see what it is like.

I cannot believe this has happened. It is beyond surreal.



Which building is that and how did you get back in?
 

alien42

Lifer
Nov 28, 2004
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Greetings from the Evacuation point of Dead Orleans.

I am in that building across the street from where you see the helicopters landing and taking off and the thousands of people lined up along the Interstate.

Officials are using this as base camp as well. I have spoken to an Officer that he said he has seen at least 3 thousand bodies.

I just got a Cell Site up here so we are a beacon in an Island of Dead.

I have never been to war but I do not have to go because being here I see what it is like.

I cannot believe this has happened. It is beyond surreal.

can you give us a google map of that location?

and wwl is showing some amazing footage from helicopters up to 30 miles up the mississippi and all over new orleans with great narration of the areas
 

AaronB

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Just checked my email and I have to tell you guys about this:

I already mentioned that the Best Western I am staying at is lowering everyone's bill.

Today I had to bring the big orange truck in for service because it was running poorly. The only dealer in the area was "Atterbery Truck Sales, Inc.". Upon learning that I was staying in a local hotel because of the hurricane their estimated time to service the truck changed from next Tuesday to "RIGHT NOW". I didn't know what to say.

Anyhow, like I said, I just checked my email and I see this from Netflix:

Dear Aaron,

The U.S. Postal Service has let us know that postal delivery to your address has been interrupted due to Hurricane Katrina. All of us at Netflix extend our sympathies to you and your loved ones during this difficult time.

We want you to know that we have stopped billing your account and are in the process of issuing a refund of your last bill. When you are ready to resume your service, please visit the Netflix website, where you will have the option to restart deliveries. When you restart your service, your first month will be at no charge.

If you would like us to send your DVDs to a different address, please click here. If you would like to speak with us about your Netflix service, please call our Customer Service Team at 1-800-715-2130 which is open Monday-Friday from 6:00am to 7:00pm Pacific Time and Saturday-Sunday from 6:00am to 2:30pm Pacific Time.

Sincerely,

The Netflix Team
 

alien42

Lifer
Nov 28, 2004
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Originally posted by: AaronB
Just checked my email and I have to tell you guys about this:

I already mentioned that the Best Western I am staying at is lowering everyone's bill.

Today I had to bring the big orange truck in for service because it was running poorly. The only dealer in the area was "Atterbery Truck Sales, Inc.". Upon learning that I was staying in a local hotel because of the hurricane their estimated time to service the truck changed from next Tuesday to "RIGHT NOW". I didn't know what to say.

Anyhow, like I said, I just checked my email and I see this from Netflix:

Dear Aaron,

The U.S. Postal Service has let us know that postal delivery to your address has been interrupted due to Hurricane Katrina. All of us at Netflix extend our sympathies to you and your loved ones during this difficult time.

We want you to know that we have stopped billing your account and are in the process of issuing a refund of your last bill. When you are ready to resume your service, please visit the Netflix website, where you will have the option to restart deliveries. When you restart your service, your first month will be at no charge.

If you would like us to send your DVDs to a different address, please click here. If you would like to speak with us about your Netflix service, please call our Customer Service Team at 1-800-715-2130 which is open Monday-Friday from 6:00am to 7:00pm Pacific Time and Saturday-Sunday from 6:00am to 2:30pm Pacific Time.

Sincerely,

The Netflix Team

for some reason that gave me chills. a corporation not just donating money but are actually pro-actively doing what they can for the customers in the area.

edit

on second thought they are also keeping their books clean and avoiding possible lawsuits

oh well, its good they are doing that.
 

alien42

Lifer
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can any of you guys down there or know NO show on this map where the people on the I-10 causeway are and what parts of those bridges are destroyed?
 

loup garou

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Feb 17, 2000
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Originally posted by: alien42
can any of you guys down there or know NO show on this map where the people on the I-10 causeway are and what parts of those bridges are destroyed?
Give me a sec.
I-10 Causeway exit. I believe they're using the cloverleaf overpass for shade/shelter. Which bridges are you inquiring about?

I'll also try to see if I can locate the Causeway exit on the NOAA maps, but they're kind of a pain to work with.

I really wish my CD with 1m resolution satellite imagery of NO in 2000 wasn't damaged...it's got a freaking scratch and I can open the 350MB TIFF. :|
 
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