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ViRGE

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Random news:

CNN: It may take "years" to restore water to the entire city(e.g. there are numerous individual water service pipes broken)
CNN: Preliminary figures indicate 140,000 to 160,000 homes were flooded and will not be recovered
CNN: The Superdome is so damaged it may not be rebuilt
CNN: The Bush administration plans to ask Congress for $30 billion to $50 billion to aid in the next phase of the recovery effort.
WWL: NOLA could be dry anywhere between 21 days(best case) and 90 days(worst case, assuming another storm hits, etc)
WWL: 2 remaining breeches, 1 should be plugged within a week, the other is unknown
 

conjur

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Thanks for the updates, ViRGE.


Does anyone have any info on the tests of the water that have supposedly been done so far? My local news said the water was 40,000 times beyond safe levels but they didn't say safe levels of *what*.
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Last night at dinner the TV news, forget what channel, had a tech at a Calif. lab showing a Petri dish with what looked
like a rotten orange he said the standing water in NO is akin to raw sewage. I hope the water supply did not get
contaminated.

The sadness of this standing water in NO is that every house that has been flooded by it will have to come down. No if
and or butts. As things dry out the dust will cause major health concerns. Note: After 9/11 those that worked the towers
are just now having problems because of all the *asbestos*dust. That stuff goes into the upper atmospher. The dust that
be present in NO will at least stay ground bound as long as its not windy. Just think of the work to be done yet and all the
vehicel traffic kicking up dust. *shudders*

On a side note: Many years ago I took a tour of the Hyperion Plant at Santa Monica(sewage treatment). The sluge is
setteled and filtered out, then cooked in large enclosed vats. This gives off methane gas that is used to continue the
process. This kills all bacteria. Then it is piped 7miles out into the bay over a huge/deep ocean valley.

The affluent, the remaining 99% water is sprayed into the air like giant fountains to expose it to air and sunlight. This
kills most of the remaining bacteria. The chlorinating system is used on the affluent once a week for testing purposes.
Chlorination is also used at the time of heavy rain fall here in SoCal because the run-off water is uber nasty.
Then the affluent is piped out 2 miles. The beach there is rarly closed for pollution.

I'm not trying to go off the purpose of this thread, I just thought some might find this of intrest.

g/y
 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: conjur
Thanks for the updates, ViRGE.


Does anyone have any info on the tests of the water that have supposedly been done so far? My local news said the water was 40,000 times beyond safe levels but they didn't say safe levels of *what*.
They're still doing tests for metals and other highly-toxic chemicals, but so far it's pretty full of bacteria and other biological pollutants.
 

Medea

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Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
On a side note: Many years ago I took a tour of the Hyperion Plant at Santa Monica(sewage treatment). The sluge is setteled and filtered out, then cooked in large enclosed vats. This gives off methane gas that is used to continue the process. This kills all bacteria. Then it is piped 7miles out into the bay over a huge/deep ocean valley.
The affluent, the remaining 99% water is sprayed into the air like giant fountains to expose it to air and sunlight. This kills most of the remaining bacteria. The chlorinating system is used on the affluent once a week for testing purposes. Chlorination is also used at the time of heavy rain fall here in SoCal because the run-off water is uber nasty. Then the affluent is piped out 2 miles. The beach there is rarly closed for pollution.

I've been thinking about this as I watched them drain the water from the city into Lake P. That's a sitting body of water, and all of the pollutants with the capabilities of spreading infections will still be present. I sincerely hope they intend to treat it immedidately after they're finished. The Gulf is also going to be negatively impacted because that's where the rest of the water will go.

If I may, on a lighter note:
Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
No if and or butts.

The saying is: "No if's, and's or but's" - not *butts* - absoulutely not a flame to you, GY - actually, thanks for the typo - it was something that gave me a chuckle in this thread.



 

waggy

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: conjur
Found on another forum:
Normally I'm not one to critique 1st person accounts, but that one's just too high on my BS meter to ignore. I mean it's so perfect: a 3rd party tourist, racism, police stealing supplies, racism, how everything would have gone right "if help had arrived sooner," even a jab about medical screenings. Even the writing is impeccable and well laid out for someone who's been through so much trauma. Someone's spinning tales at best, if not completely making that up.
Found a link:
http://www.emsnetwork.org/artman/publish/article_18337.shtml

oh man if this is true (wich i do not doubt) that is just amazing. wonder if the news agency's are going to report this?

man FEMA just fvucked up. more i read about this the worse it gets.
 

Medea

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Regarding the people who are refusing to leave, many of them don't want to go because they're concerned about their pets. I'm sure that anybody here who's owned a pet can understand this sentiment. Many of the people are elderly, and their pet has been their only constant companion - and they don't want to abandon the pet to a certain death. Hopefully, if they're told that their pets will be taken care of until they can retrieve them, they and their pets can be safely removed.

I know that Noah's Wish is an org that's been actively trying to rescue animals and has set up animal shelters. Their web site was overloaded, but's it's still available here. However, they're located in Sldell, LA. I know that a shelter has been set up in NO, but I don't know which one. If someone can post that, it would be appreciated.

 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Medea
Regarding the people who are refusing to leave, many of them don't want to go because they're concerned about their pets. I'm sure that anybody here who's owned a pet can understand this sentiment. Many of the people are elderly, and their pet has been their only constant companion - and they don't want to abandon the pet to a certain death. Hopefully, if they're told that their pets will be taken care of until they can retrieve them, they and their pets can be safely removed.

I have had pets my entire life. As much as i love them my family comes first. IF it is a choice between my dog and my life or my daughters life the choice is easy. sorry fluffy but we gotta go.

i can replace a dog. i can not replace my daughters life.
 

laurenlex

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: conjur
Found on another forum:
Normally I'm not one to critique 1st person accounts, but that one's just too high on my BS meter to ignore. I mean it's so perfect: a 3rd party tourist, racism, police stealing supplies, racism, how everything would have gone right "if help had arrived sooner," even a jab about medical screenings. Even the writing is impeccable and well laid out for someone who's been through so much trauma. Someone's spinning tales at best, if not completely making that up.
Found a link:
http://www.emsnetwork.org/artman/publish/article_18337.shtml

Read the article. All I have to say is OMGWTF!!!

What a complete ... I can not find words fitting. Disgusting.

oh man if this is true (wich i do not doubt) that is just amazing. wonder if the news agency's are going to report this?

man FEMA just fvucked up. more i read about this the worse it gets.

 

Medea

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Originally posted by: waggy
I have had pets my entire life. As much as i love them my family comes first. IF it is a choice between my dog and my life or my daughters life the choice is easy. sorry fluffy but we gotta go.

i can replace a dog. i can not replace my daughters life.

Absolutely, but I'm talking about elderly people who live alone with their pets. In their case, their pets are their family. You and I have a different vantage point, but I can understand how some of these elderly people feel. I have met elderly people like them. It's a sad situation.


 

Medea

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19 new West Nile cases reported
Wednesday, 4:40 p.m.

Nineteen West Nile virus infections, including two in the New Orleans area, have been reported in Louisiana in the past two weeks, bringing this year's total to 78, state health authorities announced today.

In addition to one infection each in Orleans and Jefferson parishes, the state Office of Public Health tallied six cases in Caddo Parish; four in Livingston; two each in Iberia, Ouachita and Webster; and one in Bossier.

No new deaths were reported. Louisiana's death toll this year remains at four.

The massive amount of water from Hurricane Katrina, especially in the New Orleans area, has raised concern that there may be an increase in virus-carrying mosquitoes because the insects will have more territory where they can breed.

But state epidemiologist Raoult Ratard said the prospect is uncertain.

In 2002, when a tropical storm and Hurricane Lili hit Louisiana 10 days apart, a similar worry arose. But Ratard said he found no great increase then because the water from the storm flushed out the stagnant water that mosquitoes prefer.

Meanwhile, he said people should continue to exercise normal precautions against West Nile infection, such as staying indoors around dawn and twilight, when mosquitoes swarm; wearing protective clothing when going outside; ensuring that screens are secure; eliminating standing water; and using insect repellent.

Although the state Office of Public Health generally reports new cases every week, Hurricane Katrina disrupted that schedule. As a result of the storm, surveillance activities have been moved from New Orleans to Baton Rouge, and laboratories around the state will perform tests and confirmation of cases that had been conducted in the New Orleans lab.

The Times-Picayune


 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: Medea
I've been thinking about this as I watched them drain the water from the city into Lake P. That's a sitting body of water, and all of the pollutants with the capabilities of spreading infections will still be present. I sincerely hope they intend to treat it immedidately after they're finished. The Gulf is also going to be negatively impacted because that's where the rest of the water will go.
At this point, it's very much a "lesser of two evils" situation. On the one hand, it's really crappy water, but on the other hand, it must go somewhere(other than the bowl of NOLA, that is). All of that crud being in Lake P is going to be a problem for sure, but when the only other option is leaving it in NOLA, it's better just to pump it out and add environmental cleanup to the recovery tab.
 

ViRGE

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Government test results are in for the water; they have found:

Bacteria, over 10x the max safe level(they stopped counting after 10x, but an independent lab hired by CNN found over 100x)
Lead in concentrations enough to be dangerous
Petroleum, which didn't even need to be counted because it's so obvious

These were residential tests, other areas may have additional chemical contamination. In the mean time, the EPA has urged everyone(including rescue workers) to avoid contact with the water entirely.
 

GalvanizedYankee

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Medea, happy to oblige you. Anytime that a moment of levity can be found in this disaster, it should be enjoyed,
there are too few. No offence taken.

I know that there are microbes(?) that can be introduced into the water that will eat oil, then poop out biodegradable
sh!t. Aside from chlorine or bleach, what can be used for the hi-bacteria count?

All the heavy polutents will contaminate the bottom feeding fish life, all shell fish and crayfish (we call'em crawdads).

I saw the light at the end of the tunnel....its FEMA...

Noeh's Wish is down right now, they are overloaded.

This morning on the L.A. news, Ellen Degeneris whose whole family was wiped out in NO(no lives lost) will be setting up

a pet rescue org. She will be going personally to NO to set this up. This is not an earth shattering thing, but KUDOS
to her for doing it.


G/Y
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I almost died today.

They came and got me out of New Orleans today after 5 days.

On my way back to house where we are staying the tire of the truck of the guy I borrowed (last thursday the engine on my van died) left rear tire blew out. I could not steer the truck as the tire was coming apart made it like ice skating and it fished tailed all over the road until it hit the grass on the side and then started flipping.

At least 20 people stopped to try and rescue me as I was hanging upside down in the crushed cab. I managed to push myself up to undo the seat buckle and barely made it out the passenger window area as the driver side was crushed down.

The Trooper, Paramedics and everyone couldn't believe I was alive.

That is one ride you do not want to make.

Pics are up on my mcowen.com website under Katrina.
Holy Crap, Dave!

Glad you're ok. But, you can probably count on some back/neck pain creeping in very soon.

Just saw the pics.

That'll buff right out!

Some good news today. I took the distributor cap off and found the rotor had torn everything up. Got a distributor from a local salvage yard and good to go.

I will be back in New Orleans Sat morning.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
Government test results are in for the water; they have found:

Bacteria, over 10x the max safe level(they stopped counting after 10x, but an independent lab hired by CNN found over 100x)
Lead in concentrations enough to be dangerous
Petroleum, which didn't even need to be counted because it's so obvious

These were residential tests, other areas may have additional chemical contamination. In the mean time, the EPA has urged everyone(including rescue workers) to avoid contact with the water entirely.
I'm getting sick just thinking of it.
 

Chaotic42

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In trying to find info about utilities in Slidell (My school opens on the 19th and my job wants me back as soon as is feasable), I found some interesting info.

* No prisoners were ever released during the flooding.
* Shots were never taken at a helicopter during the Super Dome evacuation. Shots were taken. However they were between two individuals on the ground
* Stories about the Super Dome being torn-down are speculation at this point.

Link
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
In trying to find info about utilities in Slidell (My school opens on the 19th and my job wants me back as soon as is feasable), I found some interesting info.

* No prisoners were ever released during the flooding.
* Shots were never taken at a helicopter during the Super Dome evacuation. Shots were taken. However they were between two individuals on the ground
* Stories about the Super Dome being torn-down are speculation at this point.

Link

Cleco Electric Slidell Power Status Map

Cleco expects 80% restoration in 2 weeks, 100% in 30 days.

I can assure you the prisoners are up here where I have been staying. DCI and Angola prisons are up here.

It would be cheaper to build a new Dome at this point.

I got my Van going lastnight and about to make 2 hr drive back to the house to continue cutting down the tree in my bedroom.
 

conjur

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Good news on the speed of restoring power. That will help in untold many ways.


Here's a bit more info but, may want to consider taking it with a grain of salt but it sounds reasonable:
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/08/katrina_account_from.html
Thursday, September 8, 2005

Katrina: account from an EPA rep
A Boing Boing reader who owns an environmental cleanup services company -- and asks to remain anonymous here -- says,

My company cleans up waste industrial gas cylinders and specialty chemicals. As such we are in contact with the EPA regularly and often work for the government.

Today a consultant who works with us and the EPA came back from the Gulf region. Here are some of the things that he had to report:

* He said that the 30 elderly who died in the nursing home were simply forgotten. They were supposed to be rescued but someone dropped the ball and they died.
* There are now 130,000 people working in the Gulf region, including 60,000 National Guard. Conditions for these workers, especially the contractors, are extremely hard. Many are sleeping in their cars and have to supply their own food and water. There is as yet no infrastructure in place to support this group. 80% of these people have terrible diarrhea and some have been hospitalized.
* Under Homeland Security, FEMA is supposed to be in charge, but they have been marginalized due to their obvious screw ups. The National Guard is now in charge in the region and they have no experience in these matters. This is aggravating a bad situation.
* The plan going forward for New Orleans is to demolish all the houses and burn them. There is nowhere to bury the waste in the region so they will incinerate it all. Before that can go on, they will have to search every house for chemical hazards.
* The entire Gulfport region is blocked by National Guard and only authorized contractors can get in. An RV campground has grown up outside the roadblock of 80 or more contractors hoping to get a piece of the action. These people have signs outside saying, "Mold Expert," "Asbestos Contractor," etc. They are having cookouts at their RVs just to try to get people to come and talk to them.
* This contractor has been organizing reverse osmosis (RO) water purification units from all over the country since last Tuesday. He has over 100 units of various sizes available to move into the region, but no one will give the go ahead. No one will sign their name to a piece of paper for fear recriminations later. He says that over 80 million pint bottles of water have been purchased at $0.75 each. The RO units can produce a gallon of water from contaminated water for $0.01 and they can produce thousands of gallons a day. Two are staged near the zone and these alone can produce 250,000 gallons per day. The Army has RO units, but every functional one, and every operator trained to use them, is in Iraq or Afghanistan.
* The Navy ship Bataan, which has been widely reported to be available for producing water, can only do desalination, but cannot handle contaminated water.
* All of the Army's good gear, including vehicles and generators are overseas. Humvees and other vehicles in the Gulf region are breaking down frequently.
 

Socalgal

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IronWing

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